[Board of Supervisors on February 16, 2021.]
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I STARTED THE RECORDING, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE.
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RIGHT BEFORE YOU START THE MEETING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF HINTS.I WANNA JUST LET THE CROWD KNOW.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OFFICIAL FOR THE RECORD, BUT JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO START.
I'LL READ MY SCRIPT ABOUT ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE A CROWD TONIGHT, JEFF? UH, WE'RE SITTING AT 29 ATTENDEES.
SO ARE THEY GONNA MAKE, AND EVERYBODY SHOULD GO ON MUTE, RIGHT? YOU WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY? YEAH.
YOU HEAR A LOT OF BACKGROUND ROUND NOISE LIKE THAT, THIS UNTIED.
I I JUST REALLY LIKE THE AUTHORITY TO MUTE PEOPLE.
ALL RIGHT, JEFF, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE SOME INSTRUCTIONS TO THOSE WHO ARE, ARE IN THE MEETING ABOUT HOW TO USE THE TECHNOLOGY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, IF YOU BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCREEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER, THERE'S A, A BUTTON THAT SAYS VIEW.
UM, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
STANDARD IS JUST GONNA BE SHOWING YOUR SPEAKER, I'M SORRY, THERE'S STANDARD SIDE BY SIDE AND SIDE BY SIDE GALLERY.
UM, I RECOMMEND SIDE BY SIDE GALLERY.
IT PUTS THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ON THE LEFT AND A GALLERY OF THE BOARD, AND THE REST OF US ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN MOVE THE, THERE'S A SLIDER BAR IN THE MIDDLE SO YOU CAN MOVE AND MAKE ONE LARGER OR SMALLER.
LIKE IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE A, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE JOHN PEARSON LOOKING, YOU KNOW, THE WAY HE'S LOOKING RIGHT NOW, YOU JUST MAKE HIM A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
MAKE THE, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
UM, WHEN AN ATTENDEE OR, UH, ONE OF THE APPLICANTS IS PROMOTED TO, UM, A PANELIST, THERE'LL BE A BRIEF SECOND WHERE YOU LOSE CONNECTIVITY.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU LOSE CONNECTIVITY, LOOKS LIKE YOU GET DROPPED OUT, BUT JUST GIVE IT A SECOND AND YOU'LL SHOW UP AS A PANELIST.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MUTING AND UNMUTING YOU.
NOW, WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT, ALL YOU'LL NEED TO DO IS RAISE YOUR HAND.
I WILL ANNOUNCE THAT MR. JONES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IS NEXT, AND ASK YOU FOR YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR NAME, AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO UNMUTE AND SPEAK AND, AND CONVERSE AS YOU NEED TO.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, GOOD LUCK AND I'M READY WHEN YOU ARE.
I SEE WE HAVE ALL OUR SUPERVISORS ON THE CALL.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH, 2021, MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ORDER.
AND, UH, WE NORMALLY DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S A BIT PROBLEMATIC IN THE ZOOM FORMAT.
SO IF WE'LL JUST TAKE ABOUT 10 SECONDS OF SILENCE AND THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO HAVE SUFFERED AND LOST THEIR LIVES DURING THE CURRENT PANDEMIC, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UH, I'M FIRST GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD AGENDA, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE ONE PRESENTER, ITEM 16 FOR THE STERLY TRACK ON GREENWOOD AVENUE, WHO HAS WITHDRAWN AT THE LAST SECOND.
MR. BRETON, DO YOU HAVE ANY BRIEF WORDS ABOUT THAT? UH, I DO.
UH, THERE, THERE'S A, A, AS SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOGGED ON, UH, I'M SURE, UH, ARE AWARE THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CONCERNS ON THAT PROJECT WITH, UH, SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
WHEN WE WERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WE DIDN'T YET HAVE THE PHASE ONE STUDY, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY FACTS AS WE DO EVEN NOW.
UM, RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT, WITH WHAT WE HAVE FROM LOOKING AT THE PHASE ONE AND, UM, UH, AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, WE
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HAVE CONCERNS AT A STAFF LEVEL, UM, ABOUT THE, ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH ONLY THE PHASE ONE THAT WE HAVE NOW.UM, AND I CONVEYED THAT TO THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY TODAY.
SO WHEN I TOLD HIM THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR ANY APPROVAL, HE SAID THAT HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY BEGAN SCHEDULING SOME, UH, SITE STUDY, SOME BORING TESTS FOR THE SITE.
UM, THE ONLY POINT OF DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN US, UH, RIGHT NOW IS, UM, OUR ENGINEER, MR. DINGMAN, RIGHT NOW, IS RECOMMENDING SLASH REQUESTING A PHASE TWO SITE STUDY, AND THE APPLICANT ONLY WANTS TO MOVE TO A PHASE TWO IF THE TEST BORINGS, UH, SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, CREATE A CONCERN THAT WOULD LEAD TO A PHASE TWO THAT IS NOT YET A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
UM, WE'RE RIGHT NOW, OUR POSITION, UH, IS THAT A PHASE TWO IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.
UM, IF THERE'S A, IF AFTER TALKING AND LOOKING AT THE SITE, THERE'S A RE A BASIS TO SAFELY, UM, REQUIRE SOMETHING LESS THAN A FULL PHASE TWO, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
BUT AS OF AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, IT'S NOT ON YOUR AGENDA BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
UM, IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS, THEY ARE READY FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, BUT THIS ISSUE IS, UM, IMPORTANT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TREATING IT AS SUCH.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR FURTHER ACTION.
I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S, UH, AGENDA, AND WE'LL JUST SIMPLY SKIP OVER 16 WHEN WE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE BOARD AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
I HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, WE'RE, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ACKNOWLEDGE THERE WAS GREAT INTEREST IN THE PRESENTATION BY DR.
RIFKIN, THE OWNER OF THE, UH, WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY AT OUR JANUARY MEETING.
AND, UH, HE HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER BACK TO THE BOARD, ESSENTIALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED AND HE'S RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE WITHDRAWING THAT IDEA AND, UH, AND THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY CAN DEVELOP UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS THEIR RIGHT.
AND, UH, THERE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE TO BE VOTED ON BY THE BOARD.
AND I JUST WANNA PUT HIS LETTER IN THE RECORD SO THAT ALL INTERESTED CITIZENS CAN HAVE A LOOK AT IT IN, UH, TRANSPARENCY.
SO ANYWAY, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
JEFF, LISA MOSSY HAD HER HAND UP FIRST.
LISA MOSSY, THREE 11 MONTGOMERY AVENUE OAKS.
UM, AT THE LAST TOWNSHIP MEETING, THIS BOARD DECIDED TO PLACE A PROPOSAL FOR THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY ON ITS AGENDA.
UH, THIS IS THE LARGEST PARCEL OF OPEN LAND REMAINING IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE SALE WERE AMONG THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL AND EMOTIONAL IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY HISTORY.
AND THE ONLY NOTICE THE COMMUNITY WAS GIVEN ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION WAS THE QUIET POSTING OF THE AGENDA TO THE TOWNSHIPS WEBSITE.
IF SUPERVISOR AL BEG KNOWS, HE HADN'T TOLD ME ABOUT IT, I WOULD'VE NEVER KNOWN TO CHECK THE AGENDA FOR A PARKHOUSE ISSUE.
NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE REMAINING SUPERVISORS REACHED OUT TO ANY RESIDENTS OR ACTUAL NEIGHBORS, AS IS THE CASE WITH SUPERVISOR KELSEY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS PLAN WOULD BE COMING IN.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF THERE WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT TO MINIMIZE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PLAN UNTIL IT WAS ALREADY TOO FAR ALONG INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THAT THIS SAME TACTIC WAS USED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHEN THEY SOLD THIS LAND.
THEY OFTEN ADDRESSED QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR TRANSPARENCY BY TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TIMES PARKHOUSE WAS ON A PUBLIC MEETING AGENDA, MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD AT 10:00 AM ON THURSDAY MORNINGS WHERE MOST PEOPLE WERE AT WORK.
NOW, THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS ADOPTING THE SAME STRATEGY BY DELIBERATELY ATTEMPTING TO KEEP A VOLATILE AGENDA ITEM AS QUIET AS POSSIBLE, EXCEPT INSTEAD OF HAVING YOUR MEETINGS AT 10:00 AM ON A WEEKDAY, YOU'RE QUIETLY HOLDING THEM VIA ZOOM.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEADERS WHO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND SELF INTERESTS, POLITICAL HACKS, WHO BE THE BARE MINIMUM FOR TRANSPARENCY WHILE HIDING BEHIND THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE POLITICAL HACKS SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND NOW FOUR OF THE FIVE SUPERVISORS ARE POLITICAL HACKS.
TODAY ON JANUARY 19TH, I HEARD SUPERVISOR KELSEY ACTUALLY PROMOTING THIS PLAN.
THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, I HEARD VICE CHAIR HIGGINS ASK NUMEROUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
AND ONLY, AND ONLY THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER HORSES DO NOT SEND THEIR KIDS TO SPRINGBOARD SCHOOLS.
THEY DO NOT PUT TRAFFIC ON OUR ROADS, AND THEY DO NOT IMPACT THE DELIVERY
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OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.AND EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY A HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATION, I HEARD CHAIRMAN STARLING TALKING CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DETAIL ABOUT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE.
SO IT WAS CLEAR THAT AT LEAST THREE OF THE SUPERVISORS HAD ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS PLAN BEFOREHAND TO CRAFT QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR PET ISSUES.
AND STILL, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM EVEN TOLD A NEIGHBOR ABOUT THIS PLAN BEING PLACED ON THE JANUARY AGENDA BEFOREHAND.
AND INSTEAD OF DISCOURAGING RIFKIN ON HIS ZONING CHANGE AND THEIR SECRET MEETINGS WITH HIM, THE SUPERVISORS ALLOWED HIM TO PRESENT THIS INCOMPLETE PLAN, WHICH FOCUSED ONLY ON AMENITIES THAT I DOUBT WILL EVER BE BUILT, AND WHICH INSULTED THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY BY OMITTING THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED.
THEN THE SUPERVISORS DOUBLED DOWN ON THIS INSULT WITH THE EMAILED STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD SIGNED BY VICE CHAIR HIGGINS.
IT WAS JU THIS STATEMENT USES THE WORD WE, BUT EVADES NAMING THE SUPERVISORS FOR WHOM SHE IS SPEAKING.
I KNOW ONE SUPERVISOR HAS UNEQUIVOCALLY STATED HIS OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE, I PRESUME LORI HIGGINS'S LETTER SPEAKS FOR THE BALANCE OF THE FIVE MEMBER BOARD.
IN THE BOARD'S STATEMENT, HIGGINS TOLD RESIDENTS TO DIRECT THEIR CONCERNS TO THE DEVELOPER.
WHY WOULD ANY RESIDENT NEED TO TALK TO A DEVELOPER WHO'S PROPOSING A PLAN THAT DOES NOT CONFORM TO OUR ZONING? DR.
RIFKIN NEEDS A ZONING CHANGE FROM YOU, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BEFORE HE CAN BUILD THIS PLAN.
WE DON'T NEED TO LOBBY RIFKIN BECAUSE RIFKIN CAN'T CHANGE OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
SO ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT FOR MONTHS LEADING UP TO THIS SALE, DR.
RIFKIN INSISTED THERE WERE NO DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS PART OF THE PARKHOUSE DEAL.
THE PREVIOUS BOARD ASKED FOR PLANS ON THE LAND ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS.
WE WERE TOLD THERE WERE NONE THE PUBLIC REQUESTED PLANS FOR THE LAND.
THEY WERE TOLD THERE WERE NONE NUMEROUS RIGHT TO KNOW REQUESTS WERE FILED AND IGNORED BY THE COUNTY ALL THE WHILE RIFKIN AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAIMING IN THE PRESS THAT HE HAD NO PLANS FOR THE LAND, AND HE WAS NOT A DEVELOPER.
IT WAS NOT UNTIL A RIGHT TO KNOW REQUEST FROM THE TIMES HAROLD WAS FINALLY GRANTED THAT THE SECRET DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR PARKHOUSE PROPERTY WERE PRO WERE REVEALED.
AND I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THAT DR.
SO WITH REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT THE SECRET MEETING BETWEEN RIFKIN, HIGGINS, AND KELSEY WAS TOTALLY COMPLIANT WITH SUNSHINE LAWS, WE ONLY HAVE SUPERVISOR HIGGINS WORD ON THAT SINCE NO ONE ELSE WAS PRESENT.
AND THERE ARE NO MEETING MEETING MINUTES OR RECORDINGS OF THAT MEETING AVAILABLE GIVEN THIS BOARD'S TRACK RECORD ON TRANSPARENCY THUS FAR.
FORGIVE ME IF I VIEW THIS STATEMENT WITH SKEPTICISM.
ANOTHER PART OF THE BOARD'S STATEMENT ATTEMPTS TO EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS AS THE PROPER COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS IS TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED VERSUS FOR BY RIGHTS EXISTING ORDINANCE IN SPITE OF THE BOARD'S INSISTENCE TO THE CONTRARY, APPARENTLY A BY RIGHTS PLAN DOES EXIST FOR COMPARISON SINCE SUPERVISOR KELSEY SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IT AT THE LAST MEETING, ASKING FOR ELABORATION ON QUOTE, WHAT WE COULD GET INSTEAD.
THE PROPER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS NOT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE DEVELOPER WHO'S ONLY HERE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE CAN MAKE FROM RAPING OUR LAND.
THE PROPER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, STARTING FROM ZERO, ZERO BUILDING, ZERO HOUSING UNITS, ZERO AMENITIES.
I KNOW THAT THE DOT, THAT THAT THE LETTER THAT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD TONIGHT IS AN ATTEMPT TO LULL US BACK INTO COMPLACENCY.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT RIFKIN HAS A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT, AND HIS FIVE YEAR TAX ABATEMENT ENDED IN 2019.
I BELIEVE HE'LL BE BACK WITH A FULL-BLOWN PLAN RIGHT AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER WHEN RIFKIN'S FRIENDLY BOARD IS SAFELY REELECTED.
BUT THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD ONE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A FIRST IMPRESSION TO THE PUBLIC WITH THE PARKHOUSE PLAN.
YOU COULD HAVE INFORMED YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE MEETING.
YOU COULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL YOU BELIEVED YOU COULD SAFELY HOLD AN IN-PERSON MEETING.
YOU COULD HAVE ALLOWED EVERYONE TO SPEAK.
YOU COULD HAVE LET US KNOW THAT YOU WERE ON THE SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE AND UNDERSTOOD OUR YEARS OF CONCERN AND ANGST REGARDING THE FATE OF THIS PROPERTY.
INSTEAD, YOU QUIETLY POSTED IT TO AN AGENDA IN THE MIDDLE OF A DARK, SLEEPY JANUARY AND HID BEHIND A ZOOM MEETING WHERE RESIDENTS WERE MUTED AND SOME WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
YOU HAVE ALREADY FAILED IN YOUR OBLIGATION TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THIS COMMUNITY BY ALLOWING THIS ABOMINABLE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD AT A BOARD MEETING.
YOU MAY LIKE TO REMIND US THAT YOU LIVE HERE TOO, BUT YOUR SIMPLE FAILURE TO INFORM THE NEIGHBORS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION OF THE PLAN WE'VE BEEN DREADING FOR YEARS, SUGGEST THAT WHILE YOU MAY LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU ARE MOST CERTAINLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH IT.
I WILL NEVER FORGET ELIZA TRIAL SEVEN YEARS AGO FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND DR.
RIFKIN, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED AND ANGRY THAT OUR HOME BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE ENGAGING IN THE SAME TACTICS.
BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED AFTER ALL, THIS IS THE REASON WHY ALL FOUR OF YOU ARE HERE.
WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT, THIS IS WHY WE EN CHANGED OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM OF TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT FOUR YEARS AGO.
I'VE KNOWN THAT SINCE THE SALE OF THE FINAL WAS FINALIZED, THAT A PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL WAS INEVITABLE.
AND SO HAS, HE WAS JUST WAITING FOR A BOARD OF PATSYS WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE HEAT FOR UNNECESSARY ZONING CHANGE THAT ALLOWS HIM TO MAXIMIZE HIS PROFIT, BUT DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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NOW HERE YOU ARE, EXCUSE I'M USED TO BEING LIED TO ABOUT PARKHOUSE BY FAR MORE SKILLED POLITICIANS THAN THE FOUR OF YOU.Y'ALL BETTER UP YOUR GAME IF YOU EXPECT YOUR POLITICAL CAREERS TO SURVIVE THIS.
YOU CAN TALK FOR ANOTHER THREE MINUTES IF YOU WANT TO.
NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MR. MR. ARNOLD.
UH, TIMOTHY ARNOLD THREE 40 WOODLAND DRIVE.
UM, WE CAME TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THE EVENING'S AGENDA NUMBER 16, AND MR. PRESIDENT HAS MENTIONED THAT THAT'S NO LONGER ON THE AGENDA.
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS THOUGH.
UM, THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING GRANT PRELIMINARY LAND APPROVAL FOR THE STEELY TRACK AT 3 95 GREENWOOD AVENUE.
UH, EACH SUPERVISOR, THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER, ZONING MANAGER, TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR, HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM US.
WE ARE A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON GREENWOOD AVENUE OR WOODLAND DRIVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NEAR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 3 95 GREENWOOD AVENUE.
FIRST OF ALL, WE AGREE THE STEELIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS, ZONING CODES AND PERMITS.
AND WE'VE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE ILLEGAL DUMPING THAT OCCURRED ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE LATE 1980S, AND THE TOWNSHIP AND THE REGULATORY BODIES INTERCEDED RESULTING IN LEGAL ACTION BY THE TOWNSHIP IN PENDOT AT THAT TIME.
AT THAT TIME, MR. STEELY WAS ONLY REQUIRED TO COVER THE DUMP MATERIAL WITH TOP SOIL.
THE DUMP MATERIAL IS STILL THERE.
IT IS VISIBLE ON THE RIDGE PIKE SIDE OF THE LANDFILL IN THE FORM OF LARGE SLABS OF CONCRETE AND REBAR.
WE HAVE PROVIDED AERIAL PHOTOS OF THE STEELY TRACK FROM THE 1970S UP TO THE PRESENT TIME, WHICH REFLECT THE VAST AREA THAT HAS BEEN FILLED BY THIS LANDFILL.
TRIAXLE DUMP TRUCKS CAME ONTO THE PROPERTY AND DUMPED THEM TO THIS LARGE AREA, ACRES OF IT FOR YEARS, AND MR. STEERLY PAID THE FINES ISSUED AND CONTINUED TO DUMP AGAIN, THE TOWNSHIP AND REGULATORY BODY INTERCEDED RESULTING A LEGAL ACTION OVER MR. STEELY ONLY COVERED THE DUMP MATERIAL WITH SOIL AND SEED, AND THE ILLEGALLY DUMPED MATERIAL IS STILL THERE.
NOW, WE'VE BEEN TO VARIOUS MEETINGS AND HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I APPLAUD MR. UH, PRESIDENT'S COMMENTS TONIGHT THAT YOU'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO PHASE TWO TESTING AND ARE GONNA STAND FOR THAT.
AND WE APPRECIATE THAT AND, UM, THE WILLINGNESS OF THE COUNCIL OFFICIALS TO LISTEN TO US AND TO LOOK AT THESE EMAILS, AND ESPECIALLY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE AERIAL PHOTOS.
WE SHOW YOU THE VAST AREA THAT WAS FILLED IN AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND MAKING SURE THAT THESE PHASE TWO STUDIES ARE DONE.
AND I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D ALLOW KATE DEW TO FOLLOW ME FOR OUR PREPARED STATEMENTS.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE NEXT ONE FOR ME.
MR. ARNOLD, YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO, UH, YES, KATE, IF KATE DOYLE COULD FOLLOW ME, PLEASE.
THEY DO HAPPEN TO BE NEXT IN LINE, BUT WE WILL TAKE PEOPLE IN ORDER.
UM, ALL RIGHT, UH, DOYLE, CATHERINE DOYLE.
UM, MY NAME IS CATHERINE DOYLE.
I LIVE AT THREE 10 WOODLAND DRIVE.
UM, I LEAVE IT LIVE AT THREE 10 WOODLAND DRIVE, W O D L Y N DRIVE IN COLLEGEVILLE.
AGAIN, CONTINUING FROM THE COMMENTS, UM, FROM CONCERNED RESIDENCE, AS TIM ARNOLD WAS STATING, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK ON FEBRUARY 10TH, THE TOWNSHIP, UM, DID STATE THAT SINCE THE CASE WAS CLOSED, THEY WERE UNWILLING TO FURTHER CHALLENGE THE ILLEGAL DUMPING AND POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS TO THE TERM DETER DISTURBANCE OF THE MATERIAL DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHILE THIS IS CLEARLY A LEGAL OPTION, IT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE ETHICAL THING TO DO.
UM, THEY DID INSTRUCT US TO MAKE OUR REQUEST FOR A SOIL STUDY IN AN ACT TWO INVESTIGATION AT THE SUPERVISOR MEETING TAKING PLACE TONIGHT.
UM, I AM EXTREMELY RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT YOUR ENGINEER IS REQ REQUIRING, UM, THE BORE SAMPLES AS BORING, AS WELL AS, UM, THE PHASE TWO.
I HOPE THAT YOU'LL STICK WITH THAT, UM, AND NOT MAKING IT A RESULTS BASED STUDY BECAUSE OF THE VAST, UM, AMOUNT OF, UH, DUMPING THAT TOOK PLACE.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, AND WE, UH, THE BUILDER DID STATE DURING THAT MEETING, UM, THAT THEY WOULD REMOVE ANY DEBRIS THAT THEY ENCOUNTERED DURING THE, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS SO MUCH MATERIAL IN THIS
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LANDFILL THAT DIGGING THROUGH IT AND REMOVING JUST THAT PORTION WILL AGITATE POSSIBLE CONTAMINANTS THAT REMAIN BURIED.DISTURBING THE LANDFILL THROUGH CONSTRUCTION COULD CONTAMINATE THE AQUIFER THAT SUPPLIES THE WELL WATER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS THOSE IN THE SURROUNDING PV NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE WATER TOWER THAT SUPPLIES WATER IN CRANBERRY STATES.
IN OUR NEIGHBORING, UM, TOWNSHIP, WE ARE REFERENCING MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN BURIED IN THE SHALLOW SUBSURFACE FOR SOME 30 PLUS YEARS.
WHILE THIS IS A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME, IT IS NOT SO MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO PER WATER PERCOLATING INTO BED BEDROCK AQUIFER.
THIS TAKES TIME DEPENDING ON THE THICKNESS OF THE OVERBURDEN MATERIAL.
ONCE THIS BACKFILLS DISTURBED AND OPEN TO THE ELEMENTS, IT WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO MOBILIZE, POTENTIALLY IMPACTING SURFACE AND GROUNDWATER.
AGAIN, AS TIM MENTIONED LAST NIGHT, YOU WERE SENT AN EMAIL INCLUDING A TIMELINE OF OUR EFFORTS TO REQUEST THE TOWNSHIP ENSURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES ARE TAKEN IN, UH, TO EVALUATE ANY RISK OF CONTAMINATION.
PLEASE, UM, CONTINUE TO REVIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE AERIAL, UH, PHOTOS THAT DEMONSTRATE THE MAGNITUDE OF MATERIAL THAT WAS DEPOSITED IN THE ILLEGAL LANDFILL.
EVEN THOUGH RESIDENTS HAVE HAD THEIR WATER TESTED WITH NO SURPRISES, CONTAMINANTS COULD EMERGE UP TO 10 TO 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, A RESULT OF DISTURBING THIS MATERIAL, ASSUMING ONLY CONCRETE REBAR AND ASPHALT WERE RESERVE, WERE WERE USED AS BACKFILL.
THE MAJOR CONCERN WOULD BE BTX, BENZENE, TOLINE, ETHYL BENZINE, AND XYLENE AND PAHS PHOTOS, ACIDIC AROMATIC HYDROCARBONS.
BOTH ARE FOUND IN OIL PRODUCTS, WHICH ARE USED TO MAKE ASPHALT.
THESE COMPOUNDS WOULD NEED TO BE ON PART OF THE SOIL, SURFACE, WATER, AND GROUNDWATER SAMPLING LIST OF THE CONSTITUENTS TO BE TESTED.
UM, FINALLY, UM, THEREFORE, WE, UH, RESIDENTS ARE REQUESTING THAT BEFORE PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL OF THE STEERLY TRACK AT 3 95 GRANT, UH, GREENWOOD AVENUE, UM, AN AND INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.
AND WE SPECIFICALLY WOULD LIKE AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR TEST BOARDS TO PROVIDE A SOIL STUDY TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE CONTAMINANTS AS REFERENCED IN THE LETTER IN THE JULY 14TH, 1987 LETTER FROM THE D E R, WHICH WAS ATTACHED IN THE EMAIL I SENT AGAIN, UM, WE WOULD LIKE, AS RECOMMENDED BY YOUR ENGINEER, AN ACT TWO INVESTIGATION PERFORMED.
WATER QUALITY CHECKS IF CONSTRUCTION IS APPROVED, WATER QUALITY CHECKS CONDUCTED OVER THE CONDUCTED OVER THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION FROM THE SURFACE AREAS, CREEKS, AND THE POND FURTHER DOWN GREENWOOD, AND TO CONTINUE THE WATER QUALITY TEST FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 YEARS FOR THE NEARBY RESIDENCES TO ENSURE WATER SUPPLY REMAINS SAFE.
WE'D ALSO LIKE TO GUARANTEE THAT IF THE WATER SUPPLY DOES BECOME CONTAMINATED, THE TOWNSHIP WILL DO EVERYTHING IN ITS POWER TO LOCATE AND REDRILL WELLS TO ACCESS UNCONTAMINATED WATER, OR IF, IF NECESSARY, COVER ALL EXPENSES TO COMPLETELY CONNECT THE RESIDENTS TO PUBLIC WATER.
AND FINALLY, A REQUIREMENT THAT THE BUILDER PLACE FUNDS IN ESCROW FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 YEARS TO COVER THE EXPENSES REQUESTED ABOVE.
I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA BUTCHER YOUR NAME.
IT'S MCGUIGAN JOHN MCGUIGAN 1 0 3 BENNINGTON ROAD.
UH, MY WIFE LISA, AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE BOARD, UH, ON, UH, JANUARY 30TH.
AND, UH, AS A, AS A FORMER LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIAL, I UNDERSTAND THE DEMANDS THAT THE BOARD HAS, UH, AND THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN.
AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE, AND I THANK YOU.
UH, I ALSO KNOW THAT NOTICE AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE SUNSHINE LAW IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY, UH, NEEDED, UH, AS WELL AS WANTED BY CITIZENS, UH, SO THAT EVEN IF THERE IS NO, UH, WRONGDOING, THE APPEARANCE OF WRONGDOING IS NOT MISTAKENLY GIVEN.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANY FUTURE MEETINGS, UH, A CONCERNING THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY, BE IDENTIFIED WITH A SIGN OR MULTIPLE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY INFORMING, UH, THE, THE CITIZENS AND THE RESIDENTS THAT SUCH A MEETING IS TAKING PLACE.
UH, WITH THAT, IN MY EMAIL OF JANUARY 30TH, I POINTED OUT THAT ON JULY 19TH, 2010, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECEIVED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, THAT PLAN, UH, WAS A 10 YEAR PLAN, SO CLEARLY IT'S RUN OUT, UH, AND IT IS NO LONGER VALID.
UH, AMONG THE ITEMS IN THE PLAN, UH, IT STATED THAT WE WOULD BE IN A DEFICIT OF 247 LIVING UNITS IN THE TOWNSHIP AT THIS TIME.
UH, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT AT LAST MEETING WE LEARNED THAT THERE WERE OVER 600 UNITS ALREADY APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP, BUT NOT YET
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BUILT.UH, AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, A CRITICAL ITEM, WHICH POINTS OUT THE NEED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE REDONE.
AT LAST MEETING, YOU ALSO, UH, STATED THE BOARD DID THAT.
THIS IS THE LAST SIGNIFICANT PARCEL OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, EVEN MORE SO, THE NEED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SEE HOW THIS FITS IN WITH THE, HOW THE TOWNSHIP HAS GROWN OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, AS I DID IN MY EMAIL, THAT THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY IS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED ON PAGE 1 0 3, UH, AS IT IS RECOMMENDED, AND I'M QUOTING WITHIN THIS PLAN, THAT ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE MAXIMIZE THE PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE.
SHOULD THE COUNTY EVER DECIDE TO DIVEST ITSELF OF ANY OF THE GROUND, EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS.
LIMITED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE INFILL USE WITH MAXIMUM OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
UH, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THAT SAME PLAN LISTS BOTH THE INTERSECTION AT SECOND AVENUE AND OLD STATE, AND ONE 13 SECOND AVENUE AND ALVIS AS CRITICAL ROADS THAT NEED TO BE DEVELOPED.
AT THAT TIME, THE INTERSECTION AT SECOND DRE BEVIS AND ONE 13 WAS LISTED AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY WITH 10, UH, FIVE TO 10 CRASHES THERE A YEAR.
ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I KNOW SINCE MY SON'S SCHOOL BUS WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT THERE, THAT THERE ARE FAR MORE THAN 10 CRASHES A YEAR AT THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, SO WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE SUPERVISORS IS BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE DONE AT OR APPROVED AT THE PARKHOUSE FACILITY, THAT WE INVEST ONCE AGAIN IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FAR, FAR MORE CRITICAL TO RENEW A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AFTER THIS OPPORTUNITY IS ALREADY PASSED THIS BY, AND WE FIND OUT THAT WE'VE BUILT OR ALLOWED TO BE BUILT THE ABSOLUTELY WRONG DEVELOPMENT TO BE MADE AT THAT PARCEL.
SO AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO NOTIFY US APPROPRIATELY TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS IN, IN, IN, IN THE LIGHT OF DAY, MR. AND TO CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IF I CAN JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK.
WE DO, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RUNNING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE LAST FEW MONTHS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT SET ASIDE, BUT, UM, WE MEET, UH, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MO, I'M SORRY, THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
UM, WE'RE STILL PUTTING TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING A WEEK FROM TOMORROW.
UM, THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
THE PANDEMIC HAS SLOWED IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING IT.
I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON REGARDING PARKHOUSE NAME AND PLEASE, MR. WESLER.
JOHN WESLER, 180 COUNTRY RIDGE DRIVE, ROERS FOR, UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU AS FAR AS, UH, PARKHOUSE UH, GOES IN CONSIDERATION THERE.
UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AT LEAST ONE SUPERVISOR HAS, UM, KIND OF DESIGNATED THEIR STANCE ON THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LAND.
ARE ANY OF THE OTHER SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE OR WOULD ANY OF THE OTHER SUPERVISORS BE WILLING TO DISCLOSE WHERE THEY STAND RIGHT NOW ON THAT ISSUE? WELL, ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT IS THERE, AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE WAS NO REQUEST TO THE BOARD FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
THERE WAS NO PLAN PUT FORWARD FOR APPROVAL.
THIS WAS SIMPLY AN IDEA PRESENTED BEFORE THIS BOARD AND BEFORE THE PUBLIC.
AND, UH, AND IT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
SO, NO, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I, SO AGAIN, I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, ONE SUPERVISOR SAID THAT WITH THAT PROPOSED POTENTIAL PLAN, THEY'VE STOOD KIND OF FAST AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD, UH, VOTE AGAINST THAT.
MY, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU THEN WOULD BE, DO, DO THE SUPERVISORS ON THIS BOARD, WOULD THEY DISCLOSE THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD, WOULD, OR WOULD NOT CHANGE OR BE WILLING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FOR WHAT WAS PROPOSED? IF I MAY INTERJECT? WE'VE SAID IT MANY TIMES AT THE START OF PUBLIC COMMENT THAT PRECEDES MEETINGS.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION ON A MATTER, NOT, NOT A GRILLING OPPORTUNITY.
IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER.
NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO, I APOLOGIZE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO GRILL ANYBODY.
I JUST WAS ASKING POLITELY IF ANYBODY BE WILLING TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
THAT'S MY, THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
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THINK THE, THE, THE PUBLIC WOULD BE PROBABLY WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS TO LET US KNOW WHERE YOU STAND SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT FOR IT, THEN FINE.WE'LL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY NO, WE'RE NOT FOR IT, THEN PROBABLY YOU PROBABLY COULD TAKE SOME PEOPLE'S MIND AT EASE.
OTHERWISE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA SPEND HOURS AND MONTHS, HOURS TRYING TO FIGHT THIS.
AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT THERE AND TRYING TO, UH, BASICALLY RALLY THE, THE TOWNSHIP TO COMBAT THIS EFFORT.
IF I, IF I MIGHT JUST SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF US THAT WE CAN CONSIDER A VOTE ON, AND THAT'S IT.
UM, WE HAVE NOTHING IN FRONT OF US HERE TO VOTE ON.
SO THERE'S NO, YOU REALLY CAN'T MAKE UP YOUR MIND AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME.
LOOK, LOOK, LET ME, LEMME ME, CAN I, THIS IS AL V*G KNOWS.
LOOK, UM, MR. STARLING, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THIS, YOU SAID THAT THIS, THE PLAN HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT TRUTHFUL BECAUSE THE, THIS WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SAW, WHICH IS FINE.
THERE WAS, LISTEN, THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF ANY SUNSHINE LAW.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE DO COME, WE DO COME ACROSS THINGS WITH, FROM, UH, PROPOSALS.
BUT THE FACT THAT THIS APPEARED AT A MEETING TELLS ME THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO UNEQUIVOCALLY.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX YEARS.
THERE IS NO WAY, IF THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO THE BOARD, THIS PLANE WOULD'VE NEVER SEEN.
A LIGHTED DAY WOULD NEVER WOULD'VE SHOWN UP.
I WOULD'VE NEVER, I WOULD'VE TOLD MR. R RIFKIN TO GO AWAY.
I WOULD'VE NEVER BROUGHT THIS TO THE, TO THE, THE PUBLIC.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT, IF I'M NOT FORWARDED, THE MAJORITY'S NOT FORWARDED.
MR. STARLING, BY YOU SAYING THIS WAS WITHDRAWN, IS MS. MISLEAD, I'M HOLDING HERE A LETTER FROM MR. RIFKIN WHERE HE INDICATES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMA, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
AND HE CLEARLY STATES, HE SAYS, WE ARE NOT READY TO PRESENT AN ACTUAL PLAN B BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GOT.
WE WILL ABSORB OUR INPUT RECEIVED AT SOME POINT, AND IN THE FUTURE COME BACK TO YOU EITHER WITH AN UPDATED DRAFT CONCEPT OR WITH AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL.
FOLKS ARE A 76 RESIDENTS WATCHING THIS.
THIS WILL COME BACK, I GUARANTEE IT.
AND IT'LL PROBABLY COME BACK THE DAY AFTER ELECTION DAY.
THERE'S AN ELECTION COMING UP.
THERE'S AN ELECTION SUPERVISORS HERE, ME AND SOMEBODY ELSE, WE'RE UP FOR ELECTION, AND THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE GONNA BE TRYING FOR ELECTION.
I'M TELLING YOU, THIS WILL COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
THAT'S ALL I'VE NOW, THAT WE'RE NOW FOR YOU, MR. STARLING, FOR YOU TO SAY NO, NO, FOR YOU TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
I DIDN'T WANNA SAY IT, BUT YOU'RE LYING.
AND I, I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SIX YEARS ON THIS BOARD AND I HAVE TO SAY IT.
STOP CAMPAIGNING DURING A BUSINESS MEETING.
WAIT A MINUTE, MR. YOU TOLD THERE WAS NOTHING BEFORE.
HE CAN COME BACK EVERY SINGLE MONTH AND BE, AND ASK TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA WITH A PLAN.
WELL, YOU JUST SAID WAS NO PLAN.
SO FOLKS PAY ATTENTION, IT'S GONNA COME BACK AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA WITH PLAN WITH THE VERY SAME PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED.
OKAY? I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT HIS PLAN IS OR YOURS, AL, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, I WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL IT'S CAUSE YOU SAY IT, YOU'RE NOT THE KING OF THE BOARD.
LEARN HOW TO BE THE CHAIRMAN BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DICTATE WHAT IS SAID.
OKAY? FIVE OF US NEED TO SPEAK.
YOU ARE NOT A KING OF ENGLAND.
YOU'RE NOT A KING OF UPPER PROVIDENCE.
AND YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, FOR FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS I'M DOING THIS.
YOU JUST LIED TO THE COMMUNITY.
DO ME A FAVOR, AL, PLEASE QUIT CAMPAIGNING ON THIS.
I'M NOT CAMPAIGNING, BUT I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.
YOU, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT ELECTIONS AND WHAT'S COMING UP WHEN NO, WELL, THIS IS REAL LIFE.
THE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE WATCHING, THEY'RE NOT STUPID.
YOU CALLED ME A LIAR PUBLICLY.
MAY I RESPOND, SIR? MAY I RESPOND WATCHING? NO, THEY'RE NOT.
AREN'T YOU CALLED ME A LIAR IN A PUBLIC MEETING? MAY I RESPOND? I JUST DID.
THIS LETTER SAYS, MAY I RESPOND, MR. BAG.
THERE WAS NEVER BEFORE THIS BOARD ANYTHING TO BE VOTED ON.
I WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL SUPERVISOR COMMENTS WHEN IT WAS MY TIME TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, EVERYBODY HERE WILL BE OFF.
I, I YOU HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK, SIR.
I WAS GONNA TALK IN SUPERVISOR COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL PHILOSOPHY ABOUT ZONING CHANGES TONIGHT.
OKAY? I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THE CAMPAIGN SEASON OR WHAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER.
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CAN COME BEFORE US AND ASK TO PUT A PLAN ON THE AGENDA.WOULD YOU RATHER? WE SAID NO AND NOT LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS, IS THINKING ABOUT.
I THINK IT WAS A PUBLIC SERVICE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA LAST MONTH.
AND I BELIEVE THIS BOARD AND DR.
RIFKIN HEARD LOUDLY AND CLEARLY FROM THE RESIDENTS OF UPPER PROVIDENCE HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY? SO I'M NOT GONNA APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING IT ON THE AGENDA IN PUTTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA IN A PUBLIC MEETING ARE EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF SNEAKING AROUND.
SO ANYWAY, LET'S MOVE ON WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE YOU DONE, MR. BAGOZZI? WAS MY TIME FINISHED? I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN STILL HEAR ME.
I, I JUST, ALL, ALL, ALL THAT REASON I ASKED AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO CAUSE A RIP.
ALL ONLY REASON I ASK THAT IS OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ADAMANT ABOUT THE, UH, THE PARKHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND IF IT, IF IT, IF IT'S A NEED FOR US TO GO GET TWO 3000 SIGNATURES TO CONVINCE PEOPLE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT, WE WON'T.
BUT IF WE NEED 2000 SIGNATURES, WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
YOU BETTER GET THEM START TOMORROW.
BLAKE WELLING, 1 35 BENNINGTON ROAD.
I FULLY SUPPORT THE EXCELLENT POINTS RAISED BY IS MOSSY AND MR. MCG GOGAN.
ALSO, I LOOK FORWARD MR. STARLING TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS ON ZONING CHANGES.
UH, MR. MR. EMRICK, RAY EMRICK, 1520 UTE, UH,
SO FAR, THEY'VE TAKEN OUT MY MAILBOX THREE TIMES.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU EVER WANT TO COME BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT MY YARD SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR PARKHOUSE, YOU'LL SEE MY MAILBOX LEANS TO THE SIDE.
I DON'T REPLACE IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO KEEP BUYING MAILBOXES.
SO IF YOU COULD DO ME A FAVOR, HAVE THEM COME OUT AND REMI THE ROAD AGAIN.
UH, SECOND OF WITH PARKHOUSE, I ALSO READ THAT LETTER AND AT NO TIME IN THAT LETTER DID HE STAY OR SAY THAT HE WITHDREW THIS PLAN.
THEY'RE JUST WAITING UNTIL A BETTER TIME CUZ THEY DIDN'T EXPECT OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE TO BE IN.
PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE TO ATTEND THE, THE MEETING.
IF YOU LOOK, LOOK AT HOW THE PLAN'S, PLAN'S DRAWN UP.
THE ONE SUPERVISOR THAT LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, SHE WILL NOT SEE ANY BIT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THE WAY HER HOUSE SITS AND THE WAY THEY PUT IN A LITTLE BUFFER ZONE.
I GET TO GO OUT IN MY DOOR AND SEE A FOUR, FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S ALL LIT UP WITH RETAIL THAT WE DON'T EVEN NEED.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
MR. EMRICK, WHAT WAS YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? SO WE CAN TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THAT ROAD MILL.
YEAH, IT'S, UH, 1520 YEAGER ROAD.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE BIG CURVE THAT COMES AROUND.
I GUESS IT'S BETWEEN 1516 AND 1524.
I, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO PUT SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS AT EASE HERE.
WHAT, WHAT WAS PUT OUT THERE LAST, AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION THERE TO TAKE ANY KIND OF A VOTE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S WHAT THE GUY HAS IN HIS HEAD THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WILL THIS THING BE PROGRESSING ALONG? ABSOLUTELY.
JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAN THAT WE GET PUT IN FRONT OF US, IT HAS A TIMELINE.
IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A TIMELINE ON IT YET, BUT IT'LL FOLLOW THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND IF EVERYBODY WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, KEEP SHOWING UP TO THESE MEETINGS, UH, KEEP, UH, CHECKING THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HIDING ANYTHING.
THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL THING.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PLAN THAT WE CAN VOTE ON OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT SOMEBODY HAS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S AS FAR AS IT'S GONE.
UH, AND, AND, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
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ARTHUR BOYLE HAD HIS HAND UP NEXT.UH, PATRICK BOYLE, UH, THREE 90 GREENWOOD AVENUE.
UM, WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 3 95 GREENWOOD AVENUE PROJECT.
I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
UM, FIRSTLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD FOR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE MASSIVE OF DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'VE SENT YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. BRESNAN.
YOUR COMMENTS WERE VERY UPLIFTING TO US.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE PHASE TWO PLAN NOT BE DEPENDENT ON THE BORING DONE BY THE BUILDER.
I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT WOULD BE BEST BE DONE BY AN INDEPENDENT PARTY.
SO THERE IS NO QUESTION AS TO THE VALIDITY OF THE REPORTS.
UM, I THINK A PHASE TWO STUDY WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION AT THIS POINT.
THE AMOUNT OF DUMPING IS SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST SEVERAL DUMP TRUCKS.
IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS OF HUNDREDS OF DUMP TRUCKS.
SO YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE MAGNITUDE.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THAT AND TAKING A STANCE OF, HEY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.
HI, THIS IS SUSAN DENBY AND I'M AT 1 35 BENNINGTON ROAD.
AND I, I LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEAR THE PARK HOUSE, UH, PROPERTY.
AND JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
AND ALSO HEARING OUT THE, THE VIEWPOINTS OF THE OTHER PEOPLE.
I, I JUST AM COMPELLED TO ADD COMMENT HERE THAT THE REASON THAT WE MOVED HERE LITTLE OVER EIGHT, EIGHT YEARS AGO WAS BECAUSE OF THE OPEN SPACE.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE PLANS, SEEING THAT IT WAS OPEN SPACE AND IT WAS CONSERVATION THAT IT WOULDN'T BE BUILT ON.
AND IT REALLY SADDENS ME TO EVEN KNOW THAT I AM HAVING THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.
UH, I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT WHAT MS. MOSSY SAID.
AND MR. GAN AND ALSO BLAKE WELLING, I, I AM ALSO GONNA BE PART OF THIS, UH, PETITION.
IF THE PERSON WHO, WHO, UH, MENTIONED THAT, PLEASE, I'M HAPPY TO SIGN IT AND I WILL HELP TO GET 2000 PEOPLE TO SIGN IT.
IT'S REALLY JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE OPEN SPACE.
AND THE OPEN SPACE, WE LOOKED ON THE PLANS.
WHAT YOU HAVE AS OTHER OPEN SPACE IS BY RAILROAD TRACK BY A RIVER.
THAT RAILROAD TRACKS THERE UNUSABLE.
WHEN THE GROUND NEEDS TO GET SATURATED WITH WATER, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
WHEN YOU WRITING YOUR SUSTAINABILITY THAT YOU ARE SUSTAINABLE AND THAT YOU WANT GREEN SPACE.
AND YET YOU ARE, WE EVEN CONSIDER CHANGING ANY ZONING.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS EVEN A SUBJECT.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU AND URGE YOU TO PLEASE WHEN IT DOES COME AROUND.
CAUSE I KNOW IT WILL IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, OTHER AREAS.
AND WE FOUGHT, GOT A LAWYER, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CITIZEN'S VOICE WAS HEARD AND THE ZONING WAS NOT CHANGED.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE CITIZENS, THE RESIDENTS, AND WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE APARTMENTS, WE ALREADY HAVE STORES THAT AREN'T FILLED.
WE HAVE LOTS OF SPACE FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
I PLEASE URGE YOU TO CONSIDER KEEPING THIS OPEN SPACE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.
I'M GONNA ASK EVERYBODY THAT HASN'T COMMENTED YET, PLEASE TRY TO STICK TO THE THREE MINUTES.
HOW IS EVERYONE THIS EVENING? UH, MICHAEL LABETT, 3 39 WOODLAND DRIVE.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU TO THE BOARD, UH, MR. STARLING, MR. BREIN, UH, MR. GRACE AND, UM, MR. DIGMAN FOR, UH, ACKNOWLEDGING OUR REQUEST FOR THE ACT TWO, PHASE TWO, UM, CONTAMINANT STUDY.
UM, REAL QUICKLY, UM, NO, AND THANK YOU TO KATE AND, UH, MY NEIGHBORS, KATE
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AND TIM FOR DOING A GREAT JOB.AND, AND, UH, PATRICK AND EVERYONE ELSE QUICKLY.
UM, THERE WE HAVE OBTAINED, UH, OVER A HUNDRED PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION FROM THE ORIGINAL LAWSUIT THAT WAS BROUGHT ON BY UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP TO THE FAMILY, UM, WHO HA WHO, UH, GOING THROUGH THE PAPERWORK, WE HAVE FOUND THAT, UH, MR. CARL WIENER AND MR. MULLEN HAD REPRESENTED, UH, THE STER LEES BACK IN THAT ORIGINAL LAWSUIT.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, THERE IS A QUITE A BIT OF, UH, DOCUMENTATION WE ARE GOING THROUGH FROM THE PENNSYLVANIA D E R AND THERE'S QUITE A, UH, A BIT OF, UH, RED FLAGS REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF WHAT WAS DONE THERE.
SO HOPEFULLY THE BOARD WILL REVIEW THAT INFORMATION AND BRING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
ALONG WITH THAT, JUST TO, UM, PUT OUT THERE, I KNOW THAT THERE IS PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT AT 3 57 GREENWOOD AVENUE.
AND AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, THE WATER RUNOFF GOES DOWN GREENWOOD TO THE, UH, POND AND, UM, RETENTION AREA IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE OLD STONE HISTORIC HOUSE.
UH, JUST, UH, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT HOW WOULD THAT, IF CONTAMINANTS ARE FOUND ON THE STERLY TRACT, UM, HOW THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY AFFECT ANY DEVELOPMENT ON, UH, THE 3 57 GREENWOOD LOCATION.
AND FINALLY, JUST TO PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF WASTE THAT WAS PUT THERE.
UM, YOU SAW THE AERIAL PICTURES THAT WERE SENT, UM, THAT I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN, UH, WHILE BACK, UM, USING SOME 3D MAPPING SOFTWARE THAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
UH, USES, UM, WELL COLOR IN THE CURRENT ONES, UH, REFLECTION OF LIGHT DEPTH KNOWN SIZES, ALONG WITH THE SITE PLANS ON THE TOPOGRAPHICAL, UM, PLANS THAT MR. MASS HAS PROVIDED FOR THE PROJECT.
JUST AS AN APPROXIMATION, UH, THE DEPRESSED AREA, THE ONE ALONG GREENWOOD, IT'S ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FORTY NINE FEET LONG BY, ON AVERAGE 66 FEET WIDE.
THAT IS 36,200 CHANGE SQUARE FEET OF SURFACE AREA.
THE DEPTH VARIES FROM ABOUT 1.3 FEET OF 21.8 FEET.
THAT TOTALS 326,106 CUBIC FEET OF VOLUME.
THIS WAS NOT JUST A FEW TRUCK FULLS, THIS WAS FOUR TO FIVE YEARS OF DUMPING.
AND WE HAVE THE COURT DOCUMENTATION WHERE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOUGHT AND BACK IN THE DAY AND TRIED TO STOP THIS MAN.
AND HE WOULD STOP FOR A FEW WEEKS AND GO BACK TO IT.
THAT WOULD EQUAL A TRIAXLE DUMP TRUCK.
CARRIES ABOUT 15 CUBIC YARDS, AROUND 800 POSSIBLE DUMP TRUCK FALLS.
SO WHEN WE HAVE STATED OVER AND OVER THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT DUMPING, THIS IS NOT SOME TRASH OUT OF A BACK OF A DUMP TRUNK.
THIS IS NOT JUST SOME TIRES AND TREE STOPS.
THIS IS MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF FILL THAT HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE IS A, ANY CONTAMINANT OR NOT.
THANK YOU BOARD AGAIN FOR, UH, YOUR HARD WORK AND, UH, PAYING ATTENTION TO US.
HELLO? YES, MR. AND MRS. PACKER? YES.
UM, WE LIVE AT 2 71 HAFNER ROAD READY TO, UH, THE CORNER PROPERTY CLOSE TO OLD STATE ROAD.
OUR FARM ABUTS RIGHT UP TO THE SECTION ON THE PLANTS THAT IT SHOWS THAT IT'S EMPTY RIGHT NOW.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN STORE FOR THAT.
BEEN HERE 39 YEARS, HAVE BEEN RIDING MY HORSES HERE, MY GRANDCHILDREN RIGHT HERE.
WE RIDE THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WE GO DOWN TO THE RIVER RIDE, THE RIVER TRAIL, UH, AND WE STAY OFF THE PLANTED FIELDS.
IS IT GONNA STAY LIKE THAT TO WHERE WE COULD STILL GO THROUGH AND AROUND THE EDGES OF THIS PROPERTY, EITHER NOW OR AFTER IT'S BEING BUILT IF WE DON'T STOP YOU GUYS, UH, WHICH I HOPE WE CAN.
UM, RECENTLY MY GRANDCHILDREN WERE CHASED OFF THE PROPERTY BY, BY STRANGERS THAT WERE HUNTING AND SAID THAT THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY WHICH I NOW KNOW IS DR.
UM, AND THEY WERE TOLD THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO COME ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
UH, I DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY EVEN APPROACHED THEM AT 16 YEARS OLD.
UH, AND I DID REPORT IT TO THE UPPER PROVINCE POLICE.
I DID REPORT IT TO THE HOSPITAL CUZ I THOUGHT THAT THEY SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE GUYS OVER THERE WITH SHOTGUNS AND APPROACHING PEOPLE
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AND TELLING 'EM TO GET OFF THE PARKHOUSE GROUNDS.SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
I DID SEND A NOTICE TO, UM, MIKE JACOBS ABOUT IT.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
MS. FLYNN, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
MS. BARBARA FLYNN, YOU NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER.
ALL RIGHT, JEFF, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET MS. FLYNN IF SHE COMES ON.
UM, YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
UM, I DON'T, CAN YOU SPELL THE LAST NAME FOR US JUST TO COVER ALL THE BASES? HE DID? PARDON ME? OH, GO AHEAD.
PLEASE COVER YOUR, UH, SPELL YOUR LAST NAME.
UM, YEAH, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I JUST WANNA ADD MY, MY NAME AND THE VOICE AND CASE NUMBERS COUNT TO SAY, UM, I AGREE WITH MS. MOSSY AND MY NEIGHBORS ON BENNINGTON ROAD.
UM, BASICALLY AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ZONING CHANGES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF PARKHOUSE PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T WANNA BE THE POINT UP, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M, YOU KNOW, COUNT ME IN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A PETITION, I'D BE HAPPY TO SIGN THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? WE HAVE, UH, RAY EMRICK ASKED TO SPEAK AGAIN.
THAT WAS MY CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD PUPPY WANTING TO BITE MY PHONE.
UM, UH, AJ KRUPA LIVE AT 40 STEEPLECHASE LANE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PARTICIPATE THIS EVENING, AND I APPRECIATE HEARING EVERYONE'S COMMENTS.
UH, I'LL YIELD BACK, UH, A LOT OF THE THREE MINUTES.
JUST WANNA PUBLICLY, UH, REPRESENT MYSELF AND MY WIFE, SUZANNE, THAT WE'RE AGAINST ALL MEASURES OF ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PARKHOUSE PROJECT, AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OF THE DETAILS BEING PROVIDED, UH, THAT THE TOWNSHIP LEADERSHIP CAN ENSURE THAT ALL THE CITIZENS CAN BE AWARE THAT WE UNDERSTAND ALL THE ASPECTS OF THE HISTORY AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANT.
I LIVE AT 1 33 OLD STATE ROAD, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, LARGE PART OF THE PARK, PARK HOUSE PROPERTY.
UH, I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, IT WAS PURCHASED BY PRIVATE CITIZENS BACK IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, UH, TO BE, UH, HAVEN FOR THE INDIGENT POPULATION OF THE COUNTY.
UH, AT ONE TIME WAS CALLED THE OMS HOUSE, BECAME THE JOHNSON HOME.
AND, UH, THOSE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, GAVE THE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY TO BE STEWARDS OF THAT PROPERTY SO THAT, UH, THESE PEOPLE HAD A, A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE.
AND PART OF THE, THE, UH, UM, PLAN THERE WAS THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO AND WORK THE FARM AND HAVE A PLACE TO HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD IN THREE SQUARE MEALS A DAY, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
ANYWAY, WHEN THE COUNTY, OF COURSE SOLD THIS PROPERTY, THAT TRUST WAS BROKEN.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT TRUST IS WITH THE TOWNSHIP IN OUR ABILITY TO, UH, AT LEAST STEER THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, APPROPRIATE OR ACCEPTABLE TO, TO ALL THE CITIZENS IN THE TOWNSHIP HERE, PARTICULARLY, UH, US PEOPLE WHO LIVE CLOSE BY THE PROPERTY.
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ONE COMMENT IS, UH, PERHAPS THE DEVELOPER MIGHT CONSIDER SOME SORT OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO HIM AND, UH, KEEP, UH, IF NOT ALL OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE IDEAL OF COURSE, BUT KEEP A BIG PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, WITH SOME SORT OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHETHER IT'S FOR CONTINUED FARMING OR, UH, SOME SORT OF PARKLAND THAT, THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WOULD CERTAINLY BE DESIRABLE TO ME.AND, UH, I THINK, UH, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE MIGHT FIND THAT TO BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ALL APPRECIATE.
THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS MR. FELTON.
JEFF, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE? COREY BRIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
UM, I AM AT, UH, VICTORIA BRIGHT, UH, 360 4 VISTA DRIVE AT RIVERS BEND COMMUNITY OFF OF ALBUS ROAD.
AND I AM, UH, CONCERNED PRIMARILY AROUND THE PARKHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT, UH, DR.
RIFKIN AND ROYERSFORD HOLDINGS, L L C HOLDING THAT PARCEL OF LAND HAS BEEN, UH, NOT, UH, FORTHCOMING IN THEIR INFORMATION TO US.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK THE TOWNSHIP SUPERVISORS TO PUBLICLY PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT THAT PLAN HAS BEEN, UH, PRESENTED TO.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT TOWNSHIP, UH, CITIZENS CAN ALSO SEE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, ROYERS FORD HOLDINGS L L C, WHICH HOLDS THAT PARCEL OF 176.4 ACRES, HAS SOLD THE PROPERTY AS OF, UH, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2020 AND HAS CHANGED HANDS.
AND AGAIN, I'M QUESTIONING WHAT, FIRST OF ALL, IF THE SUPERVISORS CAN TELL US EXACTLY WHAT IS THE PROPERTY ZONED AS CURRENTLY WITH ROYERS FORD HOLDINGS, L L C.
SO IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN SHED LIGHT ON, WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THAT DR.
RIFKIN SAYS HE'S, UH, GOING TO TAKE OUR OUR THOUGHTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND OUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION, I WONDER IF THERE'S BEEN INFORMATION PRESENTED TO ROYERS FORD HOLDINGS L L C ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HE CAN BUILD, GIVEN THE ZONING.
SO COULD YOU PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE, UH, TO THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWNSHIP? I CAN SPEAK TO THE CURRENT ZONING.
UH, THE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OPEN SPACE CONSERVATION WITH AN OVERLAY OF THE INSTITUTIONAL OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS ONLINE.
RIFKIN HAS, AND I KNOW HIS ATTORNEY, HIS ATTORNEY WORKS IN THIS TOWNSHIP A LOT.
THEY HAVE EVERY ABILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN PUT THERE THEMSELVES.
AS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, I HAVE NOT SAT DOWN AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM OR A PHONE CONVERSATION OR A ZOOM CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT BUILD THERE.
I THINK THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHY DID THEY PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED LIKE, OH, THERE'S GONNA BE SO MUCH OPPOSITION TO IT IF INDEED THERE ISN'T SOME INDI INCLINATION OR INDICATION THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE ZONING CHANGED.
I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEIR MOTIVES.
I LISTEN FROM MY SUPERVISOR COMMENT SLIDER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MS. BRIAN.
UH, THIS IS DUANE BREWER, D W A I N E B R E W E R.
I LIVE IN THE PROVIDENCE HUNT DEVELOPMENT AT 1 37 DORSETT CIRCLE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE ABUSE.
UM, I THINK, UH, YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH HEARD, UM, COMMENTS AND I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I AGREE WITH THE
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OPPOSITION ONES.UM, AND I WILL RETURN THE CALL, THE, UH, TIME BACK TO YOU, BUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY ON HERE THAT, THAT REALLY SUPPORTS THIS, MAYBE THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK UP.
SO YOU GUYS AT LEAST HAVE ONE PERSON, STAN, IN THE, UH, POSITIVE THERE.
MR. GRACE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE? DIANE DIMAN.
I HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE, UM, ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
AND, UM, I OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARKHOUSE PROPERTY.
UM, I BOUGHT INTO THIS AREA FOR THE OPEN SPACE, AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY DESTROYED.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I STAND IN OPPOSITION WITH, UM, MS. MOSEY AND MR. EMRICK, UM, TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH NATURAL LANDS TRUSTS, AND THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, SPEAKING, UH, WITH DR.
UH, THEY, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UM, YEAH, I, I WALKED THE WHOLE PERIMETER OF THIS PROPERTY THIS WEEKEND, AND IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL.
UH, I SAW, UM, UH, TWO BALD EAGLES FLYING IN THERE, A FLOCK OF SNOW GEESE.
UM, PROBABLY AT LEAST A THOUSAND CANADIAN GEESE ALL OVER THE FEET, CORN FIELDS.
UM, AND, UM, AND THE AREA IS JUST CRISSCROSSED WITH ANIMAL TRACKS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF THIS, AND, AND IT'S, THERE'S WATER EVERYWHERE, UM, AND DEVELOPING THIS WOULD DESTROY ALL OF THIS AND THE ANIMALS AREN'T GOING TO STAY, AND WHERE WILL THEY GO? AND THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LOSE SO MUCH AND LOSING THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY MS. FLYNN ONE MORE TIME.
IF NOT, I'M GONNA LOWER HER HAND.
YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER OF YOUR, UH, OF YOUR MEETING SCREEN.
IF YOU'RE ON AN IPAD, IT WOULD BE THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
IT'S THE MICROPHONE SYMBOL WITH A, OKAY.
UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ALEXA HARPER.
IT'S THE INTERSECTION OF YEAGER ROAD IN OLD STATE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT MY HUSBAND, UH, RICK HARPER AND I ARE OBJECT TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE WAS BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTIFUL FIELDS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE THAT LAND.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT I'M DISAPPOINTED.
I REACHED OUT TO EVERY ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS AND I ONLY RE RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM ONE OF YOU, WHICH I FIND, UM, IS INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING.
I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME BACK.
ARE WE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS, JEFF, OR IS THERE ANY MORE HANDS UP.
WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE MEETING THEN, AND I THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE HAD NO EXECUTIVE SESSION BETWEEN, UH, OUR LAST PUBLIC MEETING AND THIS, UH, NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST 14, 20 21 THROUGH FEBRUARY 10TH, 2021, IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,382,234 AND 83 CENTS.
I ASSUME THE OTHER SUPERVISORS HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE BILL LIST, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM JANUARY 14TH TO FEBRUARY 10TH IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,382,234 AND 83 CENTS.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ARE THERE ANY NO VOTES? THE MOTION CARRIES.
AND, UH, DID WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THE MINUTES OR DID
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WE NOT? NO.I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD MINUTES OF JANUARY 19TH, 2020.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING FROM OUR JANUARY 19TH MEETING.
PUBLIC HEARING, THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, UNDER ALL BUSINESS, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH EIGHT AUTHORIZING AN AMENDMENT TO THE 2021 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET, AND APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM PUBLIC FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT TO PERFORM A COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL STRATEGIC PLAN.
WE HAD THIS PRESENTED BEFORE US AT OUR LAST MEETING, BUT DECIDED TO TABLE FOR ONE MEETING SO FOLKS COULD HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK NOW WE'RE READY TO PROCEED ON THIS.
I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK? UM, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
UM, SO BASICALLY THIS, UH, PFM IS WE'RE HIRING THEM, UH, FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN, BASICALLY TO BE, UH, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, THAT'S MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT IT'S PRETTY DARN CLOSE.
WE HAVE A 20 SOME MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
UH, WE HAVE OUR FIVE SUPERVISORS WHO ARE GETTING ENGAGED WITH BUDGET.
UH, TOWNSHIP MANAGER GETS AN ENGAGEMENT BUDGET FINANCE TEAM, BUT THIS IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE BELIEVE IS WELL SPENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR OUR PROJECTS.
UH, IT'S JUST WE HAVE JUST TOO MUCH MONEY THAT WE'RE, THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP FOR US TO DOT, HAVE A ANOTHER PARTY LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND TO GUIDE US.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS HERE.
UM, AL AND, AND I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO WANT MORE OPEN SPACE FUNDS, AND WE DO WANNA SET ASIDE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT I THINK WILL BE AMENITIES TO THE TOWNSHIP.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE THAT WE'RE SET UP FINANCIALLY, AND WE'RE GONNA BE STABLE MOVING FORWARD IN THE, INTO THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY AS DEVELOPMENT HAS, IT IS AT 91%.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY COMING IN THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT OUR TOWNSHIP.
GUYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH EIGHT AUTHORIZING AN AMENDMENT TO THE 2021 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET.
AND I'M PROPOS PROPOSING A PROPOSAL, APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM PUBLIC FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT TO PERFORM A COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL STRATEGIC PLAN.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STILL UNDER OLD BUSINESS, CONSIDER REMOVING AZI ABDEL FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.
WE NEEDED TO ADVERTISE THIS AND ALSO, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH MR. AZIZ FORMALLY.
HE'S CURRENTLY WORKING OVERSEAS, WAS CALLED AWAY RIGHT AFTER HE ACCEPTED HIS, UH, COMMISSION ON THE BOARD.
AND ANYWAY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK, BUT I'M CERTAIN THAT HE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO US REMOVING HIM AT HIS TIME AND REPLACING HIM.
SO, I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE, UH, AZI ABDUL FROM, UH, THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO REMOVE, UH, Z ABDEL FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION DASH 2021 DASH NINE APPOINTING A ZONING HEARING BOARD MEMBER TO THE TERM WHICH EXPIRES, WHICH EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
UM, I THINK WE ACTUALLY IS, IS THIS A SEPARATE, THIS, THIS IS NOT SEPARATE FROM ITEM SIX.
SO THE, HERE'S I, THE MOTION IS GONNA BE, UM, LORI AND I INTERVIEWED ALL THE FOLKS THIS, THIS YEAR THAT WANTED TO SERVE ON TOWNSHIP BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND WE INTERVIEWED ALEX ZK, UM, FOR THIS POSITION.
AND, UH, HE'S AT 3 360 1 VISTA DRIVE.
SO, UH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION ON THIS ONE THAT WE, UH, APPOINT ALEX ACNE 360 1 VISTA DRIVE TO A TERM WHICH EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2025 TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
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HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.UM, OUR NEXT ITEM, WE'RE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
NOW, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 11 REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LEWIS ROAD AND VAUGHN ROAD INTERSECTION FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN ARROW SIGN AT THE CURVE.
DOES SOMEONE FROM THE TOWNSHIP WANNA SPEAK TO THIS REAL QUICKLY? YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, YOU SKIPPED ITEM NUMBER SIX, I BELIEVE, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO SEVEN SINCE YOU'RE ON THAT YARD.
UH, THIS, THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION DEPEND.TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT ARROW INDICATING THAT THE ROAD TURNS TO THE LEFT.
IT HAS SOME L E D LIGHTS AROUND IT, AND IT IS, UM, SOLAR POWERED REQUIRING NO CONNECTION TO PECO.
SO, UM, ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION WILL SUBMIT THIS APPLICATION TO PECO TO GET APPROVAL TO INSTALL THAT.
WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT, MR. BORDICK.
WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN, ACTUALLY, THIS CAME UP.
I WAS AT THE, UH, ANNUAL MEETING BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES AND THE SCHOOL BOARD LAST WEEK, AND THIS INTERSECTION IN UPPER PROVIDENCE WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE MEETING BECAUSE, UH, SO MANY SCHOOL BOARD BUSES TRAVERSED THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION EVERY DAY.
SO, ANYWAY, I TOLD HIM ABOUT WHAT OUR ULTIMATE PLANS ARE FOR IT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE ADDING SAFETY DEVICES TO THIS CURVED INTERSECTION TO, TO, UH, HOPEFULLY PLANT ANY MORE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THERE.
SO, UH, I'LL ACCEPT, UH, UH, A MOTION.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME FOR RESOLUTION 20 21 11.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 11 REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LEWIS ROAD AND VAUGHN ROAD INTERSECTION FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN ARROW SIGN AT THE CURVE.
I HAVE, UH, UH, RE, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES.
WE'LL JUMP BACK TO ITEM SIX REAL QUICK.
I HAD SOME NOTES WRITTEN IN THERE.
UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 10 REGARDING TRAFFIC SIGNAL CHANGES FOR THE BRIDGE STREET AND JACOBS WALNUTS, J JACOBS SLASH WALNUT STREET INTERSECTION.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALIGN THOSE ROADS.
SOME, SOME YEAR, RIGHT, JOHN? SOONER OR LATER,
I WAS NOT GONNA LET, I WAS NOT GONNA LET YOU FORGET THAT.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, BILL
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 REGARDING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL SIGN CHANGES FOR BRIDGE STREET AND THE JACOB SLASH WALNUT STREET INTERSECTION.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, NOW WE'RE BACK.
NOW WE'RE BACK ON THE AGENDA IN ORDER.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 12 REGARDING THE FILING OF THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLANNING MODULE FOR PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK, THREE 6K FLEX SPACE, SOMEBODY FROM THE TOWNSHIP.
WANNA GIVE A QUICK EXPLANATION ON THAT, PLEASE? THANK I CAN MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, THAT'S, UH, WITHIN THE, UM, GLOBAL PACKAGING GAMBONE, UH, INDUSTRIAL PARK DOWN OFF OF HOLLOW ROAD.
AND IT'S JUST A NORMAL PROCESS, UH, THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO, UH, GET SEWAGE FACILITY APPROVAL THROUGH D E P IS THE ADOPTION OF THE PLANNING MODULE.
SO THIS PLANNING MODULE'S A STANDARD PROCESS, UH, UH, THAT'S DONE FOR EACH LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION FOR IT.
I'LL, UH, I'LL, UH, UM, UM, EXCUSE ME, ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON, UH, RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 12.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 12 REGARDING THE FILLING OF THE, I'M SORRY, THE FILING OF THE SEWAGE FACILITIES PLAN MODULE FOR PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK, 360 K FLEX SPACE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP AND THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY AND AUTHORIZING AMENDMENT OF THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.
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PROBABLY WANTS TO SPEAK.YEAH, THIS HAS, UM, BEEN A BACK AND FORTH, UH, ISSUE BETWEEN YOU, YOUR BOARD AND THE AUTHORITY FOR A WHILE.
UM, AT THIS POINT THERE, THIS, THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT TO YOU COVERS GROUND IN TWO DIRECTIONS.
THE FIRST HALF OF IT IS A LEASE OF THE SEWER SYSTEM FROM THE AUTHORITY OVER TO YOU.
THE SECOND HALF IN IS THE COOPERATION WITH THEM ON MS FOUR, WHICH IS JUST STARTING NOW TO BECOME, UH, YOU KNOW, A A, AN OBLIGATION FOR MUNICIPALITIES.
UH, AS THIS DOCUMENT IS DRAFTED, THE MS FOUR RESPONSIBILITIES REMAIN YOURS.
THE, THE AUTHORITY WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ON ANY FEES THAT THEY THINK NEED TO BE IMPOSED OR ANY SPECIFIC MS FOUR IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, BUT THEN IT WILL BE TURNED OVER TO YOU TO VOTE UPON TO DECIDE JUST AS IT IS WITH THE SANITARY SEWER ASPECTS, SO THAT BOTH OF THE TWO HALVES ALIGN WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, THE, BECAUSE MS FOUR IS A NEW OBLIGATION, EVEN EXISTING AUTHORITIES HAVE TO HAVE THEIR ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDED IN HARRISBURG TO AUTHORIZE THEM TO PARTICIPATE AND HELP IN THE MS FOUR EVEN WHERE AS HERE, THEY'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY ON THAT.
UM, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, IN A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO BODIES.
AND IT, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF A CLEANUP ASPECT TO THIS AGREEMENT, IS, UH, GETTING THE ARTICLES AMENDED.
AND YEAH, I, WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT, STARTED LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, UH, IN, IN 2020.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE FACT THAT BECAUSE WE ARE A BOARD ELECTED BY THE CITIZENS AND THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY IS NOT, WE DID NOT WANT TO GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO LEVY FEES AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THEY NEEDED TO BE PASSED THROUGH, THROUGH THIS.
CITIZENS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY OBVIOUSLY TO, UH, TO GET AT US, AS THEY SAY.
AND, AND JUST AS AN INTERESTING FOLLOW UP TO THAT, UH, MR. STERLING RIGHT NOW, SECOND CLASS TOWNSHIPS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE OPTION OF THE TOWNSHIP DOING IT.
UH, IN A BOROUGH OR IN A FIRST CLASS TOWNSHIP, YOU HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH AN AUTHORITY AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IN THEM.
BUT SECOND CLASS TOWNSHIPS, THE CODE IS AMENDED TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT WORK ALSO.
SO YOU HAVE THAT AS A BENEFIT THAT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO NOT YET HAVE.
YEAH, AND I HAVE TREMENDOUS, UH, UM, UH, UH, FAITH IN OUR MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY ABOUT CITIZENS KNOWING WHO'S RAISING YOUR FEES AND TAXES AND, UH, BEING ABLE TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT WITH A VOTE.
SO, ALRIGHT, I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE'S NO COMMENT.
I'LL THE MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP AND THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY AND AUTHORIZING AMENDMENT OF THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, ADOPT A COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY AND AUTHORIZING AMENDMENT OF THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
ALL OPPOSED SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES.
CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 13 REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF ROYERS FORD BORO'S SEWAGE FACILITIES BY PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN WATER COMPANY.
I THINK THAT'S YOU, MR. BREDEN.
I, I BELIEVE, YEAH, I, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT, UM, IN, IN TWO RESPECTS.
CAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, ROYERSFORD SOLICITOR TODAY.
UM, THE, THE, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION MADE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THERE IS UNDER THE STATE REG REGULATIONS, THEIR, FOR THEM TO TRANSFER, UH, THEIR, THEIR SYSTEM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE OKAY OF THE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES AFTER DEMONSTRATING TO THEM THAT IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THEIR MUNICIPALITY IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
UM, THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SATISFIED THAT SUCH AS THE CASE.
AND SO THIS IS, UH, FAIRLY ROUTINE.
UH, I WOULD PUT IT, I WOULD ADD THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE ROYERSFORD SOLICITOR TOLD ME TODAY, UH, THAT ONE OF THE TERMS OF THE DEAL IN GOING TO SETTLEMENT, UH, WITH, UH, PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN, IS THAT ROYERSFORD HAS TO PROVE THAT ALL SEWER EASEMENTS, UH, ALL SEWER REMAINS ARE WITHIN THE EASEMENTS, UH, GRANTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SURVEY THE LINES AND COME UP WITH EASEMENTS FOR EVERYTHING.
UH, AND TO DO THAT FOR, FOR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE DOWN ALONG, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND AVENUE THAT RULERS STREET PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP, UM, YOU MAY BE GETTING A LETTER,
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UH, FROM, UH, PINON ENGINEERS ON BEHALF OF ROYERSFORD SAYING THAT THEY'RE, THEY MIGHT NEED TO COME OUT TO YOUR PROPERTY TO DO A SURVEY TO CONFIRM THE LOCATION OF A SEWER LINE.SO IF ANYBODY IS CONTACTED BY THEM ABOUT THAT, THAT IS LEGITIMATE.
UM, OTHERWISE THE, THE, THE RESOLUTION ITSELF IS, UH, APPEARS TO BE AN ORDER.
UM, JOE, IF I MIGHT ASK, ARE THERE A LOT WE SOMETIMES FIND OURSELVES SHARING? UH, THERE WILL BE STILL BE SOME PEOPLE FROM WHEN YOU SAY ROYERS FORD, BUT THERE'LL BE STILL SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR SEWER SYSTEM.
UM, UH, MAYBE I'M NOT SAYING THAT RIGHT OR CORRECT.
YOU MEAN IN OUR TOWNSHIP, JOHN? CORRECT.
IT'LL BE IN OUR TOWNSHIP, BUT ON THEIR SEWER SYSTEM.
ON THEIR SEWER SYSTEM, CORRECT.
I THINK THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA GO.
BUT THERE'S ONLY LIKE, WHAT, SIX OR SEVEN? YEAH, THEIR FACILITY, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FACILITY ITSELF IS IN THE TOWNSHIP, OF COURSE.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN, UM, CONNECTED PROPERTIES.
SO IT HARDLY HAD, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T HAVE A SEVEN TOWNSHIP RESIDENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE SO NOW, SO WILL THEY BE NOTIFIED SEPARATELY THEN? YES.
AND, AND THEY CURRENTLY PAY TO, UH, TO ROYERS FORD, UH, BOROUGH RIGHT NOW FOR THEIR SEWAGE FEES TOO.
AND NOW JUST MOVE OVER WITH EVERYBODY ELSE TO AMERICAN BOARD.
YEAH, I, I TALKED TO MR. BOCHE ABOUT THIS.
I, I, I GENERALLY DON'T AGREE WITH SELLING PUBLIC ASSETS TO PRIVATE CORPORATIONS TO PROFIT ON, BUT SOME TOWNSHIPS AND SOME BOROUGHS, UH, UH, LIKE LIMERICK AND I, I, I ASSUME ROS IN THE SAME SHAPE.
YOU KNOW, THEIR SYSTEMS GET WAY OUT OF MAINTENANCE.
THEY DON'T DO THEIR, THEIR UPKEEP LIKE WE DO HERE, AND THEN THEY, THEN THEY FIND THE COSTS ARE JUST OVERWHELMING TO, TO FIX THE SYSTEMS AND, AND NEED TO SELL OUT.
SO, I, I, UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE, WE DO WELL TO SUPPORT, WE'RE SUPPORTING THIS EFFORT, SO.
I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 10.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 13 REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF, UH, ROERS FORT BURROW SEWERAGE FACILITIES BY PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN WATER COMPANY.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 13 REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF ROY SWORD BURROWS SEWAGE FACILITIES BY PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN WATER COMPANY.
ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY, NO CARRIES.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMEONE THAT, UH, THAT SUPERVISOR HIGGINS AND I INTERVIEWED TO, UH, SIT ON THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, MCKENZIE MARTIN.
AND, UH, I'LL ACCEPT A, UH, A MOTION TO APPOINT MCKENZIE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FOR A TERM WHICH EXPIRES DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
I'LL MAKE THAT A MO, THAT MOTION APPOINTING MCKENZIE MARTIN TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD FOR A TERM WHICH EXPIRES DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT MCKENZIE MARTIN TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES.
AND, UH, JUST A COMMENT WITH THAT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE FILLED ALL OF OUR CRITICAL BOARD POSITIONS.
ALL OF OUR BOARDS SHOULD BE FULL TO THE TIPPY TOP RIGHT NOW WITH MEMBERS.
AND THAT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE THE MORE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE INVOLVED ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THE MORE VOICES, THE MORE IDEAS WE HEAR.
AND, UH, SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HAS CONTINUES TO SERVE AND, AND IS JOINING US TO SERVE THIS YEAR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STEPPING FORWARD.
UM, THIS IS, UH, AN, UH, UM, A MO WE WERE LOOKING FOR A, A RESOLUTION OR MOTION TO, UH, ADVERTISE THE SALE OF VARIOUS TOWNSHIP ITEMS, WHICH, UH, I ASSUME WE'RE FULLY DEPRECIATED.
DOES SOMEONE WANNA, FROM THE TOWNSHIP, WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? AND WE HAVE A LIST HERE ON THE, UH, AGENDA.
YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE FOUND THAT, UM, SELLING ITEMS ON MUNICIPAL ALLOWS US TO TARGET A MUCH BROADER AUDIENCE THAN, UH, PERHAPS PLACING OUT IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER OR DOING IT, UM, BY SOME OTHER MEANS.
FROM TIME TO TIME, WE GO THROUGH, UM, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP, AND, AND WE FIND VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE, UM, BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE, OR QUITE FRANKLY, THEY'RE COSTING US MORE IN MAINTENANCE THAN THEY'RE WORTH.
UM, SO YOU HAVE BEFORE THE LIST OF SEVERAL VEHICLES AND VARIOUS PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WE'D LIKE, LIKE THE BOARD'S AUTHORIZATION TO, UH, ADVERTISE THEM ON MUNICIPAL AND
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FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE SALE OF, OF THIS EQUIPMENT.UM, SO I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
IT'S, UH, UNDER ITEM 12 ON YOUR AGENDA TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE SALE.
I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE OF VARIOUS TOWNSHIP ITEMS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS OF PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE ADMINISTRATION AND RECREATION ON THE ONLINE MUNICIPAL PLATFORM.
I WOULD ALSO MAYBE LIKE TO MAKE A BID ON THAT, UH, BACKHOE THAT'S THERE, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T FILE MY DRIVEWAY YET.
I'LL WAIT TILL IT GETS ON THE, UH, ON THAT, UH, THING AND WE'LL, I'LL, I'LL PUT A BID ON IT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADVERTISE A SALE OF VARIOUS TOWNSHIP ITEMS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS OF PUBLIC WORKS FIRE ADMINISTRATION AND RECREATION ON THE ONLINE MUNICIPAL BID PLATFORM.
ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES.
UH, ITEM 13, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JOYCE PROPERTY NINE 11 SOUTH LEWIS ROAD.
UM, DOES SOMEONE WANNA SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICK AND, AND MAYBE EXPLAIN WHAT THE JOYCE PROPERTY IS TO THE TOWNSHIP? SO EVERYONE, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST BRIEFLY PLEASE.
THE, THE TOWNSHIP ACQUIRED THE JOYCE PROPERTY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I THINK IN 2016 OR 2017, UM, WITH THE INTENT OF MAINTAINING IT IS OPEN SPACE.
AND WE GOT, UM, UM, THE, THE, THE, MR. JOYCE, I, I FORGET HIS, UH, RONALD.
RONALD IS HIS FIRST NAME, RONALD JOYCE STILL RESIDES THERE.
UM, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY IN, UM, IN A SUITABLE FASHION.
AND, UM, HE'S CALLED RECENTLY NUMEROUS TIMES AND EMAILED NUMEROUS TIMES.
HE IS BECOME GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, TOM BROAD BELT.
UM, HE HAS WATER LEAKING THROUGH THE ROOF IN HIS HOUSE.
HE HAS SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
UM, INSECTS ARE GETTING IN THE HOME, UH, GENERALLY NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF REPAIR.
IT'S A THREE STORY HOUSE THAT DATES FROM 1745, I THINK IT IS.
UH, AND AS PART OF THE, THIS YEAR'S CAPITAL BUDGET, WE INCLUDED $250,000 TO MAKE REPAIRS, UH, THAT INCLUDE THE ROOF, WINDOWS, SIDING, PAINTING, STRUCTURAL FRAMING, REPAIRS, MASON REPAIRS, GUTTERS, AND FLASHING TO KEEP THE HOUSE WEATHER TIGHT.
UM, THE IDEA IS TO PUT A METAL ROOF ON THE BUILDING THAT WILL LAST FOR, UH, MANY, MANY YEARS, AND WE'RE SEEKING THE BOARD'S AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE THAT PROJECT.
YEAH, I GOT, I, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO VISIT WITH MR. JOYCE AND, AND YOU, BRIAN AND, AND TOM LAST, UH, FALL.
AND, UH, THIS PROPERTY WILL SOMEDAY BECOME, I BELIEVE, THE, THE UPPER PROVIDENCE HISTORICAL PARK AND, AND THE HOUSE HAS HISTORICAL VALUE AND IS WELL WORTH SAVING, UH, FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO, UM, IF DOES, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF, IF I MAY, UH, FOR THE 60 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL ON, UH, THE JOYCE PROPERTY IS ON LEWIS ROAD.
IT'S ADJACENT TO THE, UM, SPRING FORD SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM, UH, SAY, UM, HEADING TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL, TOWARDS THE SEVENTH GRADE CENTER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AND LEFT HAND SIDE IS A BIG PIECE OF OPEN SPACE.
SITS BACK, IS THIS HOME? IT'S A STONE HOME.
WE PURCHASED IT IN AROUND 2016, UM, WITH OPEN SPACE FUNDS, HAD WE NOD IT WOULD BE TOLL BROTHERS HOMES RIGHT NOW.
SO IT WAS A TREMENDOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT NOW BECAUSE PART OF THE DEAL WAS HE HAS A LIFE ESTATE SO THAT THE, THE OWNER CAN, CAN LIVE THERE, UM, AS LONG AS HE NEEDS TO.
AND, UH, BUT THEN WE'LL TAKE POSSESSION OF IT.
BUT WE, WE DO NEED TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO EVENTUALLY WE WILL, UH, AS, UH, AS MR. STAR SAID, EVENTUALLY WE WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT YET.
UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MAINTAINING THIS PROPERTY.
I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING $250,000, AND THAT'S JUST ON PUTTING A ROOF ON.
AND A FEW OTHER ODDS AND ENDS DOES NOT INCLUDE SEWER.
THIS THING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE IT FOR, UH, MEETINGS OR ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THIS THING HOOKED UP TO SEWER.
UM, IT ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE HEAT, AND IT'LL PROBABLY NEED A NEW HEATING SYSTEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UH, ELECTRIC AND PLUMBING HASN'T EVEN BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, I, I, I, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, UH, MAINTAINING IT, BUT I CAUTION THE BOARD
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THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PURPOSE FOR THIS THING.UM, IF, IF NOT RIGHT NOW, WE SHOULD LOOK TO HAVE A PURPOSE FOR IT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A TON OF MONEY ON MAINTAINING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WORTH IT.
UM, OPEN SPACES IS USED TO PURCHASE PROPERTY IS USED TO PURCHASE GROUND, IT'S NOT USED TO PURCHASE BUILDINGS.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WHEN THEY, THEY SAY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE YOUR OPEN SPACE MONEY FOR BUYING GROUND INSTEAD OF BUILDINGS, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT, THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS THING AS, AS, AS TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE IT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN I'LL MOVE TO CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JOYCE PROPERTY AT NINE 11 SOUTH LOUIS ROAD.
I HAVE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JOYCE PROPERTY LOCATED AT NINE 11 SOUTH LOUIS ROAD IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
ITEM NUMBER 14, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE CAROLINE DRIVE AT CARMEN CIRCLE STORM WATER PROJECT.
UH, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS A PROJECT WHERE YOU HAVE RECEIVED A $421,000 GRANT, UH, TO, UH, DO THESE STORM SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AT CAROLINE AND CARMEN.
AND WE'RE READY TO ADVERTISE THAT FOR BIDS, UH, PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED BY YOU FOLKS IN YOUR APRIL AGENDAS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE HERE, UH, ASSUMING YOU MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE BIDS, UH, THE PROJECT ES IS ESTIMATED AT SLIGHTLY OVER $500,000 TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
AND THIS COUNTS TOWARDS OUR MS FOUR SPEND, CORRECT? YEAH.
THIS WOULD BE MS FOUR TYPE, UH, EXPENDITURES.
UM, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADVERTISE, UH, FOR ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE CAROLINE DRIVE AND CARMEN CIRCLE STORMWATER PROJECT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE CAROLINE DRIVE AND CARMEN CIRCLE STORM WATER PROJECT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LET'S MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T ONE.
UH, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 14, GRANTING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR BROWER AUTO AT THREE 14 EGYPT ROAD.
DOES SOMEONE WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? I CAN SPEAK TO THAT CHAIRMAN.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE ON THE ZOOM TONIGHT, BUT GIVEN THAT IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION, I THINK I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
IF YOU COULD ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THREE 14 AND 3 0 4 EGYPT ROAD ARE OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON.
UM, HE'S LOOKING TO STRAIGHTEN OUT OR TO CHANGE THE, THE LOT LINE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, HE'S GOING FROM THE, THE BLACK LINES TO WHAT THE RED LINE WOULD BE.
IT'S A COMPLIANT, BOTH LOTS ARE COMPLIANT WITH, UM, THE, THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
UM, THE USE OF THE, AS A, AS AN AUTO REPAIR FACILITY IS NOT, BUT IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE.
UM, THE PLAN BASE FOR THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE NOTES THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT PLAN.
WE JUST USE
BUT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, FROM MY STANDPOINT, UM, THE RESOLUTION IS, IS GOOD TO GO.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
UM, TO HELP CLEAN UP SOME OF THE LOT LINES IN THE TOWNSHIP FROM LONG AGO, I'LL YES.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 14 GREENING PRELIMINARY FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR BROWER AUTO, LOCATED AT THREE 14 EGYPT ROAD.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND THAT.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 14 GRANTING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL
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LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR BROWER AUTO, LOCATED AT THREE 14 EGYPT ROAD IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO ITEM 16.
AND THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING.
UH, THIS IS, THIS THE FAMOUS STERLY TRACK ON GREENWOOD AVENUE, AND FOR NOW, THEY HAVE PULLED THEMSELVES FROM OUR AGENDA AS WE, UH, PURSUE FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES OF THAT PROPERTY.
CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 16, GRANTING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR VALLEY FORGE BAPTIST TEMPLE, BUILDING A ADDITION SIX 16 TRAP ROAD.
I HEARD THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IN THE, UH, IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK, BUT SOMEBODY SHOULD SPEAK TO THIS.
THE OTHER SUPERVISORS AND RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE PASTOR WENDELL AND, UH, FROM THE CHURCH AND RICHARD MASS, THEIR ENGINEER.
HEY, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.
WE HAD A GREAT MEETING LAST WEEK.
WE HAVE BEEN IN THE TOWNSHIP SINCE 1988.
WE MOVED HERE WITH 90 PEOPLE, GOD BLESSED, AND WE NOW HAVE GROWN TO A THOUSAND IN OUR MEMBERSHIP.
OVER THE LAST 33 YEARS, THE TOWNSHIP HAS GRACIOUSLY APPROVED OUR BUILDING PROJECTS AND EXPANSIONS.
WE'VE GROWN FROM FOUR ACRES TO 14 SEVERAL DOZEN MINISTRIES BENEFIT THE TOWNSHIP IN, IN MULTIPLE WAYS, A CERTIFIED COUNSELING CENTER.
WE HAVE THE CHOSEN 300 MINISTRY WHERE WE FEED THE HOMELESS AND SERVE THEM.
WE PARTNER WITH OUR POLICE AND WE PROVIDE, UH, WE PAY FOR HOTEL ROOMS WHEN OUR POLICE AND UPPER PROVIDENCE, UH, FIND HOMELESS PEOPLE.
UH, WE TAKE THEM TO POTTSTOWN AND, AND PUT 'EM UP IN A ROOM FOR A NIGHT OR TWO.
IN FACT, PASTOR EIFFERT AND MYSELF, WE ARE UPPER PROVIDENCE POLICE CHAPLAINS.
TONIGHT'S PROJECT IS AN EXPAND.
IT'S NOT AN EXPANSION TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ATTENDERS IN OUR CHURCH, BUT TO ENHANCE THE CURRENT MEMBERSHIP'S EXPERIENCE.
AND SO, IN LIGHT OF COVID THIS PROJECT, IT, THIS PROJECT WILL ALLOW BETTER CIRCULATION.
THAT'LL GIVE US WIDER HALLWAYS, A TEEN ROOM, MORE RESTROOMS, UH, THAT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY ATTEND THE PROJECT IS JUST UNDER ONE ACRE.
UH, SINCE COVID, OUR IN-PERSON ATTENDANCE HAS DROPPED BY ABOUT A THIRD FROM NINE 60 DOWN TO SIX 60.
AND SO ONE THIRD IS WORSHIPING ONLINE.
AND MANY MAY CONTINUE THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT HAS REDUCED OUR PARKING FROM 3 75 PARK CARS DOWN TO TWO 50 ON A SUNDAY.
AND SO WE HAVE REDUCED THE TRAFFIC FLOW, BOTH FROM, UH, CHURCH ATTENDANCE, BUT ALSO OUR PRESCHOOL.
UH, WE ARE, WE'RE PHASING OUT THE DAYCARE PORTION, UH, TONIGHT WITH ME ALSO AS PASTOR RESTOCK, OUR ASSOCIATE PASTOR, UH, ARCHITECT RICK STAMPER, CIVIL ENGINEERS, RICK MASS, JOHN HUNT.
WE RECEIVED, I THINK, POSITIVE REVIEWS FROM OUR TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS.
WE WERE THRILLED TO GET A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL GRASSY AREA, REDUCING OUR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING YOUR CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE, UH, THIS GATHERING PROJECT.
UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR, UH, DISCUSSION ON THIS? I I ONLY HAVE ONE.
WHAT, PASTOR, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THOSE 330 PEOPLE THAT AREN'T COMING DECIDE TO START COMING BACK TO YOUR CHURCH AGAIN, SIR? WELL, WE, WE ONLY THEY MORE NEGATIVELY IMPACT YOU.
WILL, WILL IT, THEY BETTER COME BACK.
SO WE, UH, WE HAVE 400 SPACES AND, UH, WE HAVE DOUBLE SERVICES, SO WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE THE SAME PARKING LOT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SUCCESS.
THIS ONLY ELIMINATES A COUPLE OF THEIR SPACES, JOHN, AND WE'VE WORKED OUT THE TRAIL ISSUE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE ON THIS ONE.
THE TRAIL ISSUE, AND I KNOW I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO JEFF ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PENDING.
IS THAT TRUE? AND I, I KNOW THAT IT GOT PUSHED OFF.
WILL IT BE, WILL BE DEVELOPED INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF YOUR E EXPANSION, OR WHERE DOES THAT STAND? YES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDER BILL DINGMANS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GO AHEAD AND, AND ADD IT AS A, UH, TO A, A GRADING PLAN.
SO IF WE ADD IT TO THIS PLAN, IT PUTS US OVER AN ACRE.
WE'RE SPENDING 25 TO $30,000 ON IT.
THE N DPSS, UM, WE KNOW THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS, IS DETERMINED TO DO THIS.
WE WILL NOT BE THE WEAK LINK IN, IN THIS TRAIL.
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RUN IT ALONG 4 22, THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN.THE CURRENT OWNER, SHE'S A CHURCH MEMBER, SHE'S 82, SHE'S IN POOR HEALTH.
WE ARE THE MOST LIKELY CANDIDATE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PURCHASE HER PROPERTY PROBABLY WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO.
AND SO IT JUST SEEMS WISE NOT TO PUT THAT KIND OF MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT IF WE CAN HAVE IT IN THE, UH, GRADING PLAN.
AS, AS BILL SUGGESTED, WE, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT ROUTES OF THE PATH.
AND, UH, THE TWO, UH, TOP PATHS THAT ROUTES THAT WE ARE PREFERRING IS ALONG 4 22.
BUT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO, UH, TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS RUNNING IT ALONG, UH, BLACKROCK AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE SNOW AND THE ISSUE, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION WHEN WE DO THIS PATH, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE HERE A LONG TIME.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT, AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE IT RUN ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GLAD TO PROVIDE THE EASEMENT NOW AS A PART OF, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THE GATHERING PROJECT.
I'M, UH, I'M, UH, READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 16 GRANTING PRELIMINARY FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR A BUILDING ADDITION TO VALLEY FORGE BAPTIST TEMPLE, LOCATED AT SIX 16 TRAP ROAD IN UPPER PROVIDENCE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND A MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 16 GRANTING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR VALLEY FORGE BAPTIST TEMPLE BUILDING EDITION SIX 16 TRAP ROAD.
ITEM 18 ON OUR AGENDA, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 17 AUTHORIZING THIS SUBMISSION OF ACO 2040 GRANT FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF ARCOLA AND CIDER MILL ROADS.
YEAH,
SO, UH, THIS, UH, RESOLUTION IS TO ALLOW THE TOWNSHIP TO SUBMIT FOR AN IMPLEMENTATION GRANT PROGRAM THROUGH MONKO 2040, WHICH IS A COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAM TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES TO IMPLEMENT THE GOALS OF THE, THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT THEY ONLY, UH, ALLOW PROJECTS THAT MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM IN WHICH THE ONE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING DOES, UH, THE PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEEK FUNDS FOR, FOR THE TOWNSHIP IS IMPROVING THE PER AND TRAIL CROSSINGS AT SACRAMENTO ARCOLA, WHICH INCLUDES SOME VEGETATION CLEARING, SOME NEW TRAIL SIGNAGE, AND SOME ROADWAY PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
SO THE GRANT REQUEST AT THIS TIME IS FOR $33,590.
AS PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, THERE IS A REQUIRED MATCH BY THE COUNTY, WHICH IS AT LEAST 20%.
THE TOWNSHIP IS PREVIOUSLY EXPENDED FUNDS IN EXCESS OF THAT 20%, UH, ALLOWING THAT TO BE PART OF THE MATCH THAT WAS DONE IN SOME ENGINEERING AND SERVING SURVEYING TO GET TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE, OKAY.
SO THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY TRAIL IMPROVEMENT, AND IT, UH, IT'S INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
SO, CASEY, I, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
IT, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IT SAYS, UH, ARCOLA AND CIDER MILLS.
IT'S REALLY ARCOLA AND CIDER MILLS.
IT'S NOT THE INTERSECTION OF ARCOLA AND CIDER MILL.
IT'S A PIECE THAT'S ON CIDER MILL ROAD, AND IT'S ALSO A PIECE THAT'S ON OUR KOHLER ROAD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE CONSIDER PHASE ONE OF A TWO PHASE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
UM, THERE COULD BE A SECOND PHASE LATER ON THAT WOULD PUT IN A GATING SYSTEM AND FLASHERS, BUT THIS IS A LOW COST IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL BRING ATTENTION TO THESE TRAILS AND CREATE BETTER SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, CASEY, IN WHAT WAY? COULD YOU UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? UM, I RIDE MY BIKE ON THAT TRAIL ALL THE TIME, AND IT IS DANGEROUS CROSSING, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK TRAFFIC.
SO THERE'S NOT ANY HIGHLY VISIBLE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AT THIS TIME IN, IN THAT LOCATION AND NOT GREAT SIGNAGE.
UM, SO WITH SOME VEGETATION CLEARING TO MAKE, MAKE, MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE TO APPROACHING DRIVERS, HAVE SOME ADVANCED PAVEMENT MARKINGS, AS WELL AS SOME ADVANCED SIGNING AND SIGNING AT THE CROSSING, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE
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THE CURRENT CONDITION.UM, THERE IS A MORE EXPENSIVE SECOND PHASE TO THIS WOULD, WHICH COULD, WOULD ADD MAYBE FLASHING DEVICES AND SUCH.
BUT FOR, FOR THE TIME BEING, UM, THESE LOW COST IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE PUT IN AT NO ADDITIONAL COST OF THE TOWNSHIP IF YOU'RE AWARDED THE GRANT, UM, THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION.
AND WE'VE, AND WE'VE CONTACTED THE COUNTY ON THIS, AND THEY'RE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SUBMISSION OF THIS PROJECT.
IT HITS LIKE A SWEET SPOT, UM, WITH, WITH THE COUNTY IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS WILL BE A GOOD CANDIDATE.
THANK YOU MR. MOORE FOR FOLLOWING UP WITH THIS.
UM, I, I, ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20 21 17 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF MONTCO 2040 GRANT FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BAR COLA AND CIDER MILL ROADS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND A MOTION.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION SECOND TO, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 17 AUTHORIZING THIS SUBMISSION OF, OF A MAN'S 2040 GRANT FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF ARCOLA AND CIDER MILL ROADS OF THE PERFUME TRAIL.
ACTUALLY, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES.
WE'RE DOWN TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER 19.
UH, CONSIDER AUTHOR ARISING, UH, THE SUBMISSION OF A FEMA SAFER GRANT.
AND, UH, SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO TELL US WHAT, UH, THAT SAFER ACRONYM IS FOR, FOR THE FOUR FULL-TIME STAFF.
UM, I BELIEVE IS, IS CHIEF KERRIGAN ON? I AM.
YES, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION, UH, FOR FUNDING FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTERS TO COINCIDE WITH THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FIRE STATION.
IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL RECEIVE THE GRANT, BUT, UH, IF YOU AUTHORIZE IT, IT GIVES ME A GOOD ENOUGH FEELING THAT IF WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, AWARDED THE GRANT, THAT WE'LL ACCEPT IT SO THAT WE CAN STAY IN FEMA'S GOOD GRACES.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE? IF, IF I, IF I COULD REAL QUICK AGAIN, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE LINE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN MOST OF THESE CALLS, SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE REQUESTING A, FOR A GRANT TO HIRE FOUR, UH, PAY FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, WE'VE, WE HAVE NOW HAVE PAID FIREFIGHTERS, UM, ESPECIALLY DURING THE DAYTIME, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT.
SO THE RESPONSE TO OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER.
WE LOVE OUR VOLUNTEERS, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS.
SO THIS TOWNSHIP HAS MADE A SIGNIFICANT COMMITMENT TO DOING A BETTER JOB, UM, PROVIDING FIRE SERVICE, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A, UH, NEW FIREHOUSE GONNA BE ACTUALLY PROBABLY ALREADY ABOUT READY TO BREAK AROUND RIGHT ON, UH, BLACKROCK ROAD, ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING IS NOW.
AND IF YOU SEE THE FIRETRUCK THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, WE'RE GONNA PUT A, A, A BUILDING A FIREHOUSE THERE, AND IT'LL BE DONE PROBABLY BY NEXT APRIL.
SO THIS IS JUST PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HELP THE, TO GET MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP OFFSET THE, UH, UH, THE COST TO GROW OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE A BETTER SERVICE.
HOW WAS THAT? IS THAT GOOD? ALL SAID.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A FEMA SAFER GRANT FOR FULL-TIME STAFF.
I HAVE A, A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE, UH, THE CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES TO SUBMIT A FOR A FEMUR SAFER GRANT TO HELP PAY FOR STAFF.
CONSIDER APPROVING A DECONSOLIDATION FOR THE KINGSTON PROPERTY.
DO I HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT FROM THE TOWNSHIP? I CAN SPEAK TO IT.
UM, MR. KINGSTON AND HIS WIFE, UM, MR. AND MRS. KINGSTON ARE LOOKING, THEY OWN 4 73 LOWER INDIAN HEAD ROAD, AND IN THE OLDER PARTS OF THE TOWNSHIP, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, CHAIRMAN, ABOUT CLEANING UP PLAN, CLEANING UP PARCELS THAT ARE JUST HOLDOVERS FROM A LONG TIME AGO.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THREE SMALL NONCONFORMING PARCELS AND MAKING THEM
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ONE LARGER CONFORMING PARCEL.AND BUILDING A HOUSE ON THAT PARCEL IS AT THE UPPER END OF LOWER INDIAN HEAD ROAD.
IT'S AT THE VERY END OF THE ROAD.
AND THERE ISN'T A PROCEDURE, PER SE FOR THIS.
IT REALLY IS JUST SORT OF AN APPROVAL BY THE BOARD.
I'LL WRITE A LETTER TO MR. KINGSON SAYING THE BOARD APPROVES IT, AND THEN HE'LL HAVE TO GO GET A DEED CONSOLIDATION FROM THE RECORDER OF DEEDS THAT CLEANS UP THE DEED TO MAKE IT ALL ONE POINTFUL.
IS THAT CORRECT, JOE? YOU GOT IT.
UM, IF THERE, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
CONSIDER APPROVING A DEED CONSOLIDATION FOR THE KINGSTON PROPERTY.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE A DEED CONSOLIDATION FOR THE KINGSTON PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 4 73 LOWER INDIAN HEAD ROAD AND UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP AS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY OUR TOWNSHIP.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ITEM 21, CONSIDER APPROVING EASEMENT AND COMPENSATION AGREEMENTS FOR THE TINDI RUN SANITARY SEWER PROJECT.
THIS ONE'S BEEN AROUND A WHILE, AND WE WANT TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THIS ONE MORE TIME AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, USE, UH, YEAH, I COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
THERE'S, UH, TOWNSHIPS IN THE, IN THE HAS BUDGETED IS IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, THE PERMITTING PHASE OF THE PROJECT TO EXTEND SANITARY PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER SERVICE TO ABOUT 117 HOMES, UH, IN THE, UH, ROSEMONT AND MARSH WOOD SECTIONS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, IN ORDER TO INSTALL THOSE SANITARY SEWER MAINS, MOST OF WHICH FALL WITHIN THE ROADWAYS, UM, WE NEEDED TO PROCURE, OR WE STILL NEED TO PROCURE EASEMENTS FROM ABOUT 12 PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, BILL DINGMAN, JOE AND I HAVE MET WITH MOST OF THEM.
JOE HAS PREPARED THE EASEMENT AGREEMENTS, AND WE HAVE, UH, VERBAL AGREEMENTS WITH ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU SEE LISTED ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMPENSATION AMOUNTS WERE DETERMINED BY APPRAISALS THAT WE OBTAINED FROM INDIAN VALLEY APPRAISALS, UH, WITH SOME ADDITIONS OF LANDSCAPING.
WHEN BILL AND I MET OUT THERE IN THE FIELD, WE REALIZED THAT, UH, PERHAPS THE APPRAISER WASN'T EXACTLY CERTAIN WHERE THE, UM, SEWER MAIN WAS TO GO.
AND I THINK WE INCREASED THE APPRAISAL AMOUNTS IN TOTAL BY, BY JUST ABOUT, UH, EIGHT OR NINE ADDITIONAL TREES.
BUT AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMPENSATION WAS OUTLINED IN THE APPRAISALS FROM INDIAN VALLEY, AND WE'RE SEEKING THE BOARD'S, UH, APPROVAL OF THE EASEMENT AND COMPENSATION AGREEMENTS THAT THE SOLICITOR PREPARED.
AND THE GOOD NEWS ON THESE IS WHEN WE'RE APPROVING THESE, UH, UH, EASEMENT AGREEMENTS, THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT HAVING TO EXERCISE EMINENT DOMAIN, EVEN THOUGH WE AUTHORIZE IT.
NONE OF THE, NONE OF THOSE THAT YOU SEE LISTED REQUIRE THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN.
AND, AND I WOULD JUST ADD, WE, YOU, I MIGHT BE FILING A DECLARATION OF TAKING, WHICH IS THE FORMAL DOCUMENT THAT USE EMINENT DOMAIN ONLY FOR THE PUMP STATION PARCEL.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
UH, THE ONLY REASON WHY I MIGHT USE IT THERE IS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY TAKING PART OF THE PROPERTY, SO YOU WOULD'VE HAD, YOU'D HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE IT OR BY USING IT, THE DECLARATION OF TAKING, I CAN THEN FILE A CONFORMING DEED AFTER THAT TO, TO RECORRECT THE DEED SO THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER STILL, THE PART THAT THEY OWN GETS CORRECTED TO SHOW WHAT THEY OWN AFTER THE TAKING.
SO I'M PROBABLY GOING TO FILE A DECLARATION OF TAKING ON THAT, BUT IT WILL BE DONE IN WHAT WE CALL A FRIENDLY TAKE.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WOMAN ADMINISTERING HER FATHER'S ESTATE ON THAT.
IF THERE, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, EASEMENT AND COMPENSATION AGREEMENTS FOR THE TINDI RUN SANITARY SEWER PROJECT AS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE EASEMENT AND COMPENSATION AGREEMENTS FOR THE TINDI RUN SANITARY SEWER PROJECT AS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR.
AND, UH, NOW WE'RE DOWN TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS.
I KNOW MR. TEPERMAN, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING TONIGHT? GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
UH, WANTED TO JUST GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE ON THE COVID, UM, UM, STATUS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, WE'RE NOW, UH, DOWN TO ABOUT 500 AND, UH, A LITTLE OVER 500 DAILY
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CASES.UM, UH, AND, UH, WE ARE AVERAGING ABOUT THREE DEATHS.
THE THE GOOD NEWS IS THE, THE CURVE IS STARTING TO COME DOWN.
UM, I, I WAS SPEAKING TO OUR EMERGENCY, UH, OFFICER TODAY, UH, RICH RUSSELL.
AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN, UH, HOVERING AROUND A, AROUND AN 8%, UM, POSITIVITY RATE IN TERMS OF TESTING.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE, UH, RATE IS GOING DOWN ON A, A WEEKLY BASIS BY A, BY ABOUT 0.3 OF A PERCENTAGE POINT.
UH, AND WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING ANOTHER, UH, READ FROM THE COUNTY TOMORROW.
SO I'M, IF, IF THAT AVERAGE HOLDS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE SHOULD BE IN THE 5% RANGE, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS, AND AT WHICH TIME WE CAN, UH, UH, DISCUSS, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE, UH, TO THE SCHEDULE.
5% I THINK IS WHAT WE CONSIDER GETTING CLOSE TO WHAT WE H UH, UH, A CONTROL ON THE, ON THE VIRUS.
AND, UH, YOU'RE STARTING TO APPROACH HERD IMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S, UM, ACTUALLY GOOD NEWS.
I KNOW WE GET A LOT OF BAD NEWS ON THE, ON THE TV ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, THE, THAT, BUT THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS ON THAT.
AND I THINK THE VIRUS, UH, THE VACCINES ARE STARTING TO RAMP UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, UM, THIS IS, THIS GOOD TREND WILL CONTINUE.
UM, ONE OTHER ITEM, UH, I JUST WANNA NOTE, UH, NOTE, AND I THINK ALL OF YOU GOT A RESIGNATION LETTER FROM BOB CRAFT ON THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY BUSY BOARD AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON MS FOUR STUFF.
SO WE DO HAVE A VACANCY THERE.
AND SINCE WE DO HAVE A LARGE CROWD IN OUR QUEUE TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO TAKED LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY IF THERE'S ANYBODY INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, WE DO HAVE A VACANCY.
UM, BE HAPPY TO, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU, UH, MORE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU, MR. APPRECIATE THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY REPORTS FROM OUR CONSULTANTS? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO UPDATE YOU REAL QUICK ON THE, UH, PLEASANT LANE, UH, SEWER PROJECT IN SPRING MILL.
IT CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED CLEARING, STARTED ON PLEASANT LANE AND TEST DIGS STARTED ON SPRING MILL.
SO WEATHER DEPENDENT, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT STARTING TO PUT PIPE IN THE GROUND NEXT WEEK.
SECOND ITEM IS, UH, WE DID SUBMIT A LETTER OF INTENT FOR A GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU FOR THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY AT THE FIREHOUSE.
IT'S, UH, THROUGH THE CHUCO RIVERS GREENWAY, UH, RESTORATION FUND.
AND, UH, THEY'LL NOTIFY US, UH, BY MID-MARCH IF WE SHOULD BE SUBMITTING A FULL APPLICATION FOR THAT GRANT OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THERE'S A 25% MATCH ON THAT, SO, UH, IT'S MONEY YOU'VE ALREADY HAVE BUDGETED IN THE OVERALL PROJECT THERE.
AND THE THIRD ITEM IS, UH, WE HAVE PUT ON OUR SCHEDULE THE SURVEYING FOR THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, DOWN IN THE OAKS GARDEN AREA, LAUREL LANE, FERN LANE GUMS ROAD, SO THAT, UH, UH, EXISTING SURVEY INFORMATION WILL START ONCE THE SNOW MELTS.
SO THOSE THREE THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I SEE NEXT IS SOLICITOR'S REPORT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN ITEM UNDER YOUR REPORT.
I USUALLY, I USUALLY TRY TO AVOID THAT.
WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? GO AHEAD.
WELL, UM, THE, UH, I MET WITH THE, I MET WITH THE PARK AND REC BOARD AND, AND ALSO, UH, WITH, WITH SUE HOFFMAN.
AND WE, WE, THIS ORDINANCE CLARIFIES WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN THE PARK AND REC BOARD AND THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, THE SECOND CLASS TOWNSHIP CODE GIVES A PARK AND REC BOARD A CERTAIN LIST OF POWERS AND THEN SAYS, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE US WHAT POWERS THE TOWNSHIP GIVES THEM.
AND SO WE WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE PURELY ADVISORY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WITH THE AUTHORITY OR PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WE REMOVED A COUPLE OF THE SENTENCES THAT INDICATED THAT THEY HAD A SPEC SEPARATE BUDGET AND WOULD HA BE SPENDING MONEY OTHER THAN WHAT THE TOWNSHIP IS SPENDING, AND KIND OF TIGHTENED IT UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THEY'RE JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON CERTAIN THINGS.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ALSO TO CLARIFY THAT THE LIAISON IS STAFF, WHICH IS MS. HOFFMAN, YOU KNOW, NOT, SHE'S NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
THEY WEREN'T REALLY EVEN QUITE CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, SO IT WAS JUST, IT'S REALLY JUST A CLEANING UP A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 37 OF THE TOWNSHIP CODE TO AMEND AND CLARIFY THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE U P T PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADVERTISE,
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UH, UH, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 37 OF THE TOWNSHIP CODE OF ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND CLARIFY THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, AS RECOMMENDED BY OUR TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSE, PLEASE SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES.
NOW WE'RE AT SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS.
SO FIRST I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE IF I GOT OUT OF HAND EARLIER, AND I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BECAUSE MY WIFE CAME INTO THE ROOM AND MADE GESTURES OF ME.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST REAL, REAL QUICKLY ON THESE ZONING ISSUES, AND I KNOW THESE ARE ALWAYS THE HOTTEST THINGS.
ALL OF US ARE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN AND AROUND OUR HOMES AND OUR TOWNSHIP.
WE HAVE A ZONING MAP, WHICH PROTECTS US FROM JUST ANYTHING BEING PLOPPED DOWN ANYWHERE.
UM, AT THE CURRENT TIME, WE'RE DOWN TO LESS THAN 10% OF THE LAND IN THE TOWNSHIP LEFT DEVELOPABLE, UM, IS THE WORD I WOULD USE.
AND AT THIS TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, AND, AND I KNOW THIS, THAT PARKHOUSE IN PARTICULAR IS A HISTORICALLY SENSITIVE PROPERTY.
OVER THE YEARS, VARIOUS ZONING HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO, UH, DIRECT WHAT CAN BE ZONED ON VARIOUS LAND.
ONE THING THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO IS REZONE SOMETHING, UH, OUT FROM UNDER SOMEONE.
BUT IF YOU PURCHASE THE PIECE OF LAND ZONED A CERTAIN WAY, YOU SHOULD MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S GOING TO STAY THAT WAY.
BECAUSE FOR ME, AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR BILL STARLING AS ONE SUPERVISOR, NOT AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS BOARD, AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR THIS BOARD, BUT FOR ME TO MAKE A ZONING CHANGE, THERE HAS TO BE AN OVERWHELMING AND COMPELLING INTEREST FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY AT THIS POINT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT HISTORY AS WE GET TO THE VERY END OF DEVELOPING LAND IN THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU KNOW, I WAS ASKED A QUESTION BY THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS WHEN I RAN ABOUT BALANCING RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.
WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY A BIG ISSUE IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY FAR BALANCED MORE TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL THAN COMMERCIAL, AND IT'S GOING TO STAY THAT WAY.
BUT THE REAL QUESTION FOR ME IS WHAT ARE THE FINAL TOUCHES WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON OUR TOWNSHIP? NOT ONLY WHAT WE ALLOW TO BE DEVELOPED, BUT WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES WE'RE GONNA ADD TO THE TOWNSHIP.
AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I COME AT THIS THING.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY'RE JUST FOR, FOR US TO MAKE ANY TYPE OF ZONING CHANGE.
I HOPE EVERYONE WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IS THERE REALLY A COMPELLING INTEREST FOR THE TOWNSHIP IN MAKING A CHANGE TO ANY ZONING? AND ONE OF THE REASONS I PERSONALLY WILL NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEFORE ME IS ANOTHER THING I RAN ON WAS, I DON'T LIKE SPENDING MONEY ON LITIGATION.
I LOVE OUR SOLICITOR, MR. PRESIDENT, BUT HE'S MAKING PLENTY.
AND I DON'T REALLY
SO IF THERE'S NOT SOMETHING BEFORE THIS BOARD, I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER HYPOTHETICALS AND THEN LATER BE CALLED OUT BY A DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY FOR, YOU KNOW, PREJUDGING A SITUATION.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, AND, UH, I KNOW THIS, THIS, THIS GREATLY STIRS THE PASSIONS, AND I BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE MAY BE DONE A LITTLE EXTRA STIRRING, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR, THEIR RIGHT.
BUT, UH, IN ANY EVENT THAT, THAT'S MY TAKE ON THIS.
IF ANYBODY OTHER CO ANY OTHER SUPERVISORS WANNA COMMENT TONIGHT ON ANYTHING, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PARKHOUSE.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY MUST KNOW NOW ON THE CALL.
I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT RIGHT OFF OF BLACKROCK.
I AM DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I LOVED WILLIAM FELTON'S COMMENT ABOUT SETTING ASIDE SOME OF THE PROPERTY.
MAYBE WE CAN BUY IT, MAYBE WE CAN PRESERVE IT.
DIANE DILLMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE ANIMALS.
I AM OVER THERE SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK WALKING MY DOGS.
IF, UM, IF, UH, UH, MY NEIGHBORS SEE ME OVER THERE AND THERE'S JUST, THERE'S DEER, THERE'S FOX, THERE'S CRANE.
UM, I SECOND WHAT BILL SAYS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
WE ALL HAVE THE HEART OF OUR TOWNSHIP RIGHT THERE AT PARKHOUSE IN MIND AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO, TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROPERTY.
OKAY? ANY OTHER SUPERVISORS WANNA COMMENT? ALRIGHT, UH, SOMEBODY WANNA TALK? UH, MR. TUBMAN, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING EVENTS OR MR. GRACE? UM, WE CAN, UH, LET ME JUST SEE HERE, UH, UPCOMING EVENTS.
UH, JUST GO THROUGH THE SLIDES, UH, MATT AND I'LL READ THEM.
UH, WE HAVE OUR, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ON, UH, MARCH 15TH
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AND APRIL 19TH IS A REGULAR MEETING.SO, UH, UH, TRY TO GET THESE ON OUR CALENDAR.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FEBRUARY 24TH AT SEVEN.
UM, AND ON THAT WILL BE THE DISCUSSIONS ON THE PARK MASTER PLAN AND 1 71 AMELIA STREET.
UM, AND MARCH 10TH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING QUITE YET FOR THE AGENDA ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OKAY, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE.
FEBRUARY 17TH MEETS MEETING AT SIX.
UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, UH, FEBRUARY 24TH AT SIX O'CLOCK.
AND THEN, UH, THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETING, UH, APRIL 1ST AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
ALRIGHTY, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE EVENING.
IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.