[REORGANIZATION]
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I'M THE, UH, SOLICITOR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE REORGANIZATION OF THE BOARD.
UM, WE HAVE THREE POSITIONS THAT WE APPOINT, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THAT IS CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN AND SECRETARY.
ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRMAN? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
TOM, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST FINISH THIS UP? YEAH.
I DON'T YOU FINISH IT UP? YEP.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? AYE.
NOMINATE BOB HEIS FOR VICE CHAIR.
AND SECRETARY, ANY NOMINATIONS FOR SECRETARY ON NOMINEE? NICOLE LIN, DAN, SECRETARY, SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION? AYE.
UH, BOB IS VICE CHAIRMAN, AND NICOLE IS SECRETARY.
AND I WILL PASS THE GAVEL SO WE CAN ACTUALLY START THE, UH, REGULAR MEETING AGENDA.
[CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL]
RIGHT.WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, THIS MEETING, UH, TO, UH, CONTINUE.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL DO A, UH, A ROLL CALL.
WELL, I, I, I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHO'S HERE AT THIS POINT.
SO,
NO, I THINK YOU MOVE RIGHT ON.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT P POINT OF OUR AGENDA, AND THERE ARE AGENDAS IN THE BACK IF YOU HAVEN'T PICKED THEM UP, UH, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON-AD AGENDA ITEMS. SO, ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS LOVER'S LANE SUBDIVISION.
THAT IS ALL THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
UM, AND, UH, MANY OF YOU ARE HERE, I, I ASSUME FOR PARKHOUSE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON THE 18TH.
OFFICIALLY, THERE'S NO, UH, CLIENT HERE TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, IT IS OPEN FOR COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO ANYBODY THAT'S WILLING, UH, WANTS TO COME UP AND MAKE AN, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND, UM, AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
IS THAT FOR LOVER'S LANE, OR ARE YOU TALKING? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. NON AGENDA ITEMS. SO I SEE NO, UH, UH, NON AGENDA ITEMS, OR THERE'S NOBODY FOR NON-AD AGENDA ITEMS. SO, UH, UM, WE'LL MOVE
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS]
ON TO THE NEXT P PIECE OF OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, UH, THE, UH, MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 7TH.AND THEY'RE IN OUR PACKETS, GUYS, UH, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH THEM AND ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A, UH, A MOTION TO ACCEPT MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 7TH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
UH, GILLEY'S MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM, UH, DECEMBER 7TH.
UH, THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND PASSED, SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? WE'LL MOVE
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON JANUARY 4, 2023]
ON TO, UH, THE APPLICATION'S GONNA BE HEARD TONIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, THE LOVER'S LANE SUBDIVISION.UM, I THINK IT'S 10 OR 11 HOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND DO WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? YES.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, YOUR ADDRESS OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE.
UH, MY NAME'S, UH, BEN GOLDTHORPE HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, GENERAL HANCOCK PARTNERSHIP.
FOR, UH, 7 65 SOUTH COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
HEY, BEN, COULD YOU MOVE THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER? SURE.
ALSO, WITH ME THIS EVENING IS, UH, ROB CUNNINGHAM.
HE'S OUR, UH, DESIGN ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, PLEASE.
SO, IF, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH AN OVERVIEW.
UM, THE, THE, THE PROJECT WE'RE HERE FOR IS A ROUGHLY 10 ACRE PIECE OF GROUND.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, EARLY LAST YEAR WITH A TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS CONCEPT TO ANOTHER PARCEL, UM, AND, UH, THAT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD MM-HMM.
AND SO, UM, MID LAST YEAR, WE SUBMITTED A PLAN, UH, THAT JUST HAD, UM, A FRONTAGE LOTS WITHOUT A THROUGH ROAD.
UH, THROUGH IT, WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE STAFF.
WE GOT A, A NUMBER OF REVIEW LETTERS.
AND FROM THAT, UH, WE THEN DEVELOPED, UH, THE PLAN THAT WE'RE HERE FOR YOU, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
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MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY A, A 10 ACRE PARCEL.UM, IF I CAN USE THE, UH, THE POINTER HERE, LET'S SEE HOW THIS, JEFF, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THIS WORKS? UM, THE ROUND END SHOULD BE ON.
SO, UM, UH, THIS IS COLLEGEVILLE ROAD 29, ROUTE 29.
UH, THIS IS LOVER'S LANE THAT, THAT GOES ALONG, UH, THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, IS A THROUGH RA THROUGH ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT IN TO AMANDA LANE, AND THEN, UH, CONNECT UP TO, TO LOVER'S LANE, UH, HAVING ALL OF OUR HOMES TAKE ACCESS, UH, FROM, FROM THIS NEW ROAD.
UH, ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE HALF ACRE LOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UH, DWELLINGS.
UH, THEY'RE AS SMALL AS 15,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH, UH, FITS WITHIN THE, THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, SOME LARGER LOTS THAT ARE UPWARDS OF, UH, 34 AND 37,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A SHARED DRIVEWAY FOR THREE OF THE HOMES TO, AGAIN, HAVE ACCESS OFF OF OUR NEW THROUGH ROAD, SO THEY WOULDN'T TAKE ACCESS OFF LOVER'S LANE.
UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE, THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AS WELL AS YOUR, YOUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER, WAS SOME FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ALONG 29.
UH, SOME, UH, SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENTS TO PROVIDE, UH, A CONNECTION UP TOWARDS LOVER'S LANE FOR SOME EXISTING RESIDENTS.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES IN, IN THIS LOCATION HERE, UH, MOST LIKELY, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT WOULD END UP BEING, UH, THE MANAGE RELEASE CONCEPT, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, MOST SITES ARE BEING DESIGNED WITH AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF A, A BIG PICTURE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN GO THROUGH SPECIFICS IN, IN THE COMMON LETTER, UM, OR I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON, ON WHETHER, UM, YEAH, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFICS YOU HAVE REGARDING THE PROJECT.
WELL, THE LETTERS YOU DID RECEIVE FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, HAVE YOU, UH, DISCUSSED THOSE WITH THEM? HAVE YOU AGREED TO EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE PUT OUT THERE OR WHERE YOU AT WITH THAT PROCESS? UH, SO, SO WE HAD A STAFF MEETING, UM, ROUGHLY SIX, EIGHT WEEKS AGO.
AND THAT, OUT OUTTA THAT STAFF MEETING, WE THEN RECEIVED REVIEW LETTERS.
SO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY GONE THROUGH POINT BY POINT WITH THEIR LATEST LETTERS.
UH, BUT I, I WILL SAY MOST OF 'EM ARE, ARE WILL COMPLY ITEMS, UH, THAT, THAT WE WOULD DO AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST PIECE WITH THIS PROJECT IS AS IT'S SHOWN HERE, UH, WE WOULD NEED SOME SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, UH, FOR, UH, STEEP SLOPES AND, UH, WOODLANDS.
AND SO, UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AGREED WITH US THAT WE THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST, UH, LAYOUT AND BEST PLAN FOR THIS SITE, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, PRESENT IT PRELIMINARILY TO, TO THE SUPERVISORS, AND THEN, UH, APPLY FOR THOSE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
AND THEN ONCE THOSE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WERE GRANTED, WE WOULD THEN GO THROUGH A FULL LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? UM, HOW NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE BACK OF LOVER'S LANE, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BACK THERE? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER.
I THOUGHT, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE AND THERE'S SOMEONE OVER HERE, AND THEN THE CHURCH IS UP HERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANO A THIRD PERSON BACK THERE.
SORRY, I'M TRYING TO READ A DIFFERENT SCREEN OVER HERE.
THE HOLY GHOST CEMETERY IS WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS QUESTION ON THE, UH, THE, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY PIECE MM-HMM.
UM, OBVI, UH, IS THAT IT'S REALLY A ROAD, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S RUNNING BACK TO LOTS NINE AND 10 ALSO.
RIGHT? UH, SO, SO 9, 9, 10 AND 11 WOULD ALL BE OFF OF A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
SO TH THIS WOULD NOT BE A, NOT BE A ROAD, NOT A, UM, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
IT, IT, THERE'S NO ROAD TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT OF THAT, END OF THAT, WHERE NINE AND 10 ON.
SO, SO IT JUST GOES RIGHT INTO A DRIVE, RIGHT INTO THEIR THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE, THE, THE THROUGH ROAD IS HERE, RIGHT? LOVER'S LANE IS HERE, AND THEN THIS IS JUST A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND I WILL MENTION THERE WAS, UM, UH, TWO DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
UH, COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION SUGGESTED THAT THESE TWO LOTS TAKE ACCESS OFF A LOVER'S LANE.
I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER CONSULTANTS DID, LIKE THE, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY AND THE, THE ACCESS, UH, IN THIS LOCATION BETTER.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SPECIFIC, WHEN WE GOT INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO KNOW THE PREFERENCE.
UH, WOULD YOU PREFER A, A SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH, UM, UH, THE HOMES FACED IN THIS CONFIGURATION? OR WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING TO BE, UH, OFF LOVER'S LANE? UM, STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT.
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CALLING IT A DRIVEWAY.DOES THAT HAVE, UH, DID I HAVE TO MEET ALL THE FIRE REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING TO GET BACK THERE TO NINE AND 10 AS LIKE A FULL ROAD ALMOST TO GET BACK TO WHERE NINE AND 10 ARE? NO, WE, WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT AS IT WAS, UM, LIKE IF, IF, IF IT WOULD NEED FIRE, UH, LIKE A TURNAROUND THAT THERE'S STILL ACCESS FROM LOVER'S LANE OR 29.
UM, CERTAINLY IF THEY, SO IF THERE, IF THERE WAS A FIRE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE A FIRE TRUCK THAT WOULD COME UP, THE, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, THEY COULD ALSO, UH, BE MOBILIZED ON 29 1.
ONE OF THE PIECES THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WORK OUT IS WHAT KIND OF, UH, ROAD FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPEN HERE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER RECOMMENDED, UM, A FULL MIRRORING OF THE, THE IMPROVEMENT THAT, THAT WERE DONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UH, SO THERE WOULD BE THIS SLOPE THAT YOU SEE HERE WOULD ALL GET PULLED BACK AND, AND THERE'D BE FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE ENTIRE PIECE.
BUT I DO, I DO WANT TO HAVE, UH, ANTHONY COMMENT ON THAT IS, IS, IS THAT REALLY A DRIVEWAY WE'RE CALLING THAT, OR, YEAH, IT'S FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE FOR THE SHARED ACCESS BETWEEN THE UNITS, YEAH.
UH, YEAH, WE, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT A SHARED DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE THREE.
SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF WIDTH REQUIREMENT SO THAT FIRE TRUCKS COULD GET BACK TO NINE AND 10, EVEN THOUGH AS HE SAYS HE HAS ACCESS FROM LOVER'S LANE AND WHATEVER.
BUT YOU DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S A ISSUE TO GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES BACK THERE IN ANY KINDA WAY? WELL, WE, UH, I MEAN, THEY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ON THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR SURE.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE FIRE MARSHAL'S CONCERNS, AND IT WOULD'VE TO, WOULD I'M CONCERNED A CAR'S PARKING ON THAT AND THE FIRETRUCK WANTS TO GET BACK TO NINE AND 10 AND THEY'RE BLOCKED.
FOR, IN TERMS OF THE EXTENSION, THE, THE ROAD, THE, THE MAIN ACCESS WHERE ALL THE AC WHERE ALL THE, UM, UNITS, UM, WOULD, UH, INTERSECT WITH THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE WITH REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHETHER THERE'S FIRE ACCESS OR NOT IN PARKING OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THERE'S WIDTH REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PLAN WAS.
WE HAD, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THEY WOULD ALLOW PLAN FOR PARKING OR NOT, AND WHAT THOSE WIDTHS WOULD NEED TO BE, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT, UM, IS ULTIMATELY DESIGNED.
UM, WE CAN MAKE A CONDITION OF ANY APPROVALS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THE SHARED DRIVEWAY AGREEMENT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
WHATEVER WIDTH WE WOULD SAY COMING OUT OF THIS, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD'VE TO BE BILL TO THAT WIDTH.
WHEN I WRITE MINE, I ACTUALLY WRITE SOMETHING THEY CAN'T PARK ON IT, STORE THINGS ON IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK WE WILL LOOK THAT FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF AND GET THAT DOCUMENT REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWNSHIP.
AND BUT FIRE MARSHAL HASN'T GIVEN HIS, HIS FEEDBACK ON ALL THAT YET.
ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THAT YOU WOULD OFFER DEDICATION TO THE TOWNSHIP ON THIS ROAD, OR YOU WOULD KEEP THAT AS PRIVATE? I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT, UH, AMANDA LANE WOULD CONTINUE AND THAT THAT WOULD BE A DEDICATED ROAD.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, TO HAVE I, CUZ I, I THINK THE TOWNSHIP MAINTAINS LOVER'S LANE TODAY.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO, TO TAKE THIS PIECE AS WELL.
AND YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE OPTION OF ACCESSING, UM, LOTS NINE AND 10 OFF OF LOVER'S LANE TOO.
LIKE I SAID, THAT WE, WE RECEIVED TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF FEEDBACK AND SO IF THE TOWNSHIPS, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION WAS THAT NINE AND 10 TAKE ACCESS FROM LOVER'S LANE, WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY DO EITHER YEAH.
WE JUST NEED DIRECTION TOWNSHIP POINTS.
I MYSELF, AND IT'S UP ANTHONY TO GIVE US HIS, UH, OPINION, BUT I LIKE THAT PLAN VERSUS USING LOVER LANE.
CUZ I KNOW THAT'S NOT A, A MAJOR INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM ON THERE, BUT I JUST CONCERNED THAT AT, WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WIDE ENOUGH.
GET PEOPLE BACK THERE, AMBULANCES, WHATEVER, IN AND OUT OF THERE SAFELY.
MY MY, MY PERSONAL VIEW IS IF YOU ASK ME, UH, I THINK A SHARED DRIVEWAY MAKES MORE SENSE.
UH, THIS ACCESS, UH, AT LOVER'S LANE COM IS, IS NOT THE BEST.
AND SO IF, IF WE CAN HAVE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S JUST TWO MORE HOUSES TAKE ACCESS TO THIS NEW ROAD, I THINK IT'S A, A BETTER YEAH, I AGREE.
AND AGAIN, JUST I, MY CONCERN IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, LIKE ERIC SAID, WE MAKE IT SO THAT SURE.
SO SOMETIMES IN THIS SITUATION, WE'LL MAKE THIS, THIS WILL BE A WIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A 10 FOOT WIDE, IT MIGHT BE 12, 14, OR EVEN 16 FEET WIDE.
AND DEPENDING ON THIS, THE FIRE MOISTURE'S GONNA ILL AND, AND ANTHONY CERTAINLY WILL GIVE US HIS WHEN HE GETS INTO THE DETAILS, SO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START TAKING SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, BOB? NOT AT THIS POINT.
LET'S, UH, LET'S TAKE SOME PUBLIC, UH, QUESTIONS OR, OR ISSUES.
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UH, I'LL ASK, UH, YOU GET A SEAT AND I'LL ASK PEOPLE TO COME UP.AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND, UM, AND YOUR, UH, AND YOUR, UH, ADDRESS PLEASE.
I WANT GIVE YOU THIS, UH, UH, MY NAME IS SUSANNA ZERS.
I LIVE AT 300 LOVERS LANE IN MONTCLAIR.
UM, I AM FIRST BRINGING UP THE CHAPTER 180 2 ZONING.
IT'S THE ARTICLE 18, THE STEEP SLOPE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, I'VE LIVED THERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND IT'S ALL SHELL DOWN THERE.
ROCK INTO THE GROUND AND TO CONSERVE THAT WITH ALL THE ANIMALS, THE VEGETATION THERE DOWN THERE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANT YOU TO LOOK INTO.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT WEARING MY HEART ON MY SLEEVE OR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I DEFINITELY WOULD LOOK INTO.
AND ALSO THE ROAD THAT HE'S PROPOSING TO PUT IN THERE, YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE A DEAC ACCELERATION LANE COMING DOWN 29.
THAT ROAD IS CONTINUOUSLY BUSY.
AND ESPECIALLY NOW WITH ALL THE NEW APARTMENTS AND ALL THAT ARE COMING FROM WEGMANS, THAT ROAD I LEAVE AT SIX 15 IN THE MORNING, SOMETIMES IT TAKES ME ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTES TO PULL OUTTA LOVER'S LANE.
PEOPLE START COMING DOWN AT 45 MILES AN HOUR.
BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE TOP OF THAT HILL, THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE FLYING AT 60 MILES.
YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE A DEAC ACCELERATED LANE.
SOMETIMES WHEN I'M PULLED OUTTA THERE, I HAVE TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THAT OTHER DEVELOPER MADE AT.
I KNOW WHAT TO HEAR AND TO LOOK FOR NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA KNOW.
AND THERE'S ACCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD CONTINUOUSLY DOWN THERE BY AMANDA LANE.
THAT'S ONE OF MY, MY PROBLEMS THERE.
AND UH, ALSO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE ROAD THAT'S GOING UP INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING OFF OF, OF LOVER'S LANE.
IS THAT GONNA BE WIDE ENOUGH? WELL, I THINK AGAIN, WHAT I, WHAT I JUST HEARD, IF YOU ASKED MY, ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS EAR OR HEARD MY QUESTIONS EARLIER, I DON'T THINK WE FULLY GOT THE CONSULTANTS HAVING FULLY ANSWERED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.
GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL DETAIL YET.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DECELERATION, I THINK ANTHONY WILL ADDRESS THOSE THINGS.
ANTHONY, YOU HAVE ANY, THE IMPROVEMENT ALONG 29 HAS NOT BEEN PLANNED AT THIS POINT.
THAT IS A CONVERSATION DEVELOPER NEEDS TO HAVE WITH PENDO.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE AGREE WITH YOU THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A DEADLY ROAD.
AND YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE SOMEBODY COMING DOWN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT RAINS, IT SNOWS EVEN ON THE DRY ROAD.
YOU CAN'T JUST STOP THERE TO MAKE A RIGHT.
AND, AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT FOR RIGHT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE PENDO ROAD MM-HMM.
AND THEN, THEN WE CAN GO TO PENDOT AND PENOC AND HOLD THEM OVER THE RAILS.
SO THAT'S, THIS IS A PROOF OF CONCEPT STAGE.
UM, JUST TO GET A GENERAL SENSE OF IT.
ONCE WE GET TO, IF ASSUMING WE MOVE THIS FORWARD AND THE BOARD APPROVES IT, WE WOULD GO TO A, THEY WOULD BE MORE HARD ENGINEERING, MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH KEN, GO TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO TALK ABOUT THIS CLOSED, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ALL CONCERNS ARE DEFINITELY WARRANTED AT THIS POINT AND SHOULD BE EXPRESSED.
BUT WE'RE AT A VERY, VERY EARLY STATEMENT.
I THINK WE'RE HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK ANTHONY'S STILL GOT A LOT OF MORE WORK TO DO AND I'M SURE HE HAS IT.
YOU WANT ANY COMMENT ON ANY OF THAT STUFF, ANTHONY? YEAH.
THE, THE CONCERNS ARE CERTAINLY NOTED AND THOSE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED THAT STAFF LEVEL AND MENTIONED IN OUR REVIEW LETTER IN TERMS OF THE WIDENING FOR THE FRONTAGE FOR THE 68 FOOT, SIX TO EIGHT FOOT SHOULDER TO MIMIC THE OTHER SIDE AND ALSO A DESAL LANE.
UH, DUE TO THE REASONS THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE, THE STEEP SLOPES, THE HIGH, THE SPEED LIMITS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE DISTANCE AT EXISTING LOVERS LANE WAS, WAS PART OF OUR CONCERN AS WELL INITIALLY, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THE, UM, OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THEY MOVED THE ALIGNMENT TO AMANDA.
UM, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE ALL NOTED.
AND LIKE JEFF SAID, WE HA WE'RE NOT IN THAT DETAIL STAGE YET, BUT WE HAVE NOTED THOSE GENERAL CONCERNS IN OUR 11 NOTED.
AND ALSO WHEN DOING THE BUILDING UP THERE, WE ALL HAVE WELLS.
IT'S A HOMESTEAD ROAD, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR WELLS IN THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, HOW CAN I BE GUARANTEED THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT OUR, WELL, SURE.
I NEED, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL AND ALL OF US DO.
WELL, JEN, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT YET? ARE YOU READY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE ISSUES? UH, THE WATER, UH, ISSUE? YEAH.
IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION IN THAT THIS IS TENTATIVE SKETCH.
SO THERE'S NOT HARD ENGINEERING FOR THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS DRAINING FROM LOVER'S LANE DOWN TO WHERE THEY SHOW THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN IN THERE.
BUT WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT IS OUR WELLS UP THERE WHEN THEY, IF THEY DO BRING HEAVY EQUIPMENT UP THERE, OKAY.
MY ROAD, MY HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET MM-HMM.
MY WELL IS RIGHT IN THE FRONT.
I NEED TO BE GUARANTEED THAT NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOMES IN AMANDA, THAT AFFECTED OUR WELL MM-HMM.
SO I JUST NEED THAT, HAVE THAT NOTED.
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I COULD ADD THAT I CAME THROUGH THERE TONIGHT AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THE CARS WERE STACKING UP BEHIND ME CUZ I WAS GOING SLOW.I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR LOVER'S LANE.
I NEVER DID FIND IT, BUT, BUT THEY, THEY WERE STACKED UP BEHIND ME.
TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, SO NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND DON'T STOP.
IT'S LIKE ERASERS GOING DOWN AGAIN.
SO WE, WE NEED TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
DO WE HAVE NEXT PERSON? HI, GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF HOLY GHOST CHURCH, ALSO KNOWN IN THEIR ST.
SO COULD I'M REPRESENTING HOLY GHOST CHURCH, WHICH OWNS, UH, THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THAT LOT.
COULD COULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME? YES.
HEY JEFF, COULD YOU PUT UP THAT OTHER SLIDE TOO WITH THE, UH, WITH THE WHOLE AREA? YEP.
SO YEAH, THAT ONE SO WE GET A SENSE OF, HE'S TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, SO YOU ARE, YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE CEMETERY.
UM, ACTUALLY THE SLIDE BEFORE IS THE ONE I WOULD OH, OKAY.
THAT'S JUST, IT WAS FOR MY PURPOSE JUST TO GET A THAT'S FINE.
A THAT'S A SENSE OF WHERE YOU'RE AT.
THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE IS THE ROAD GOING UP, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, NOT THE, UH, SHARED DRIVE, BUT THE ONE COMING OFF OF 29, MOVING INTO LOVER'S LANE AS YOU SEE IT GOING ON THE CORNER, THAT'S OUR PROPERTY THAT'S GOING RIGHT ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
UM, WEREN'T CON CONTACTED OR CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S, WE'RE NOT, YOU SAID RIGHT IN THE CORNER THERE.
CAUSE WE HAD THIS SURVEYED OURSELVES, UH, OKAY.
AND WE HAVE A, WELL VERY CLOSE TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO, BUT THE MAIN THING IS, UM, THAT IT'S TAKING OUR PROPERTY AND WE WEREN'T CONSULTED OR, OR ANYTHING IN THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR DEED ALLOWING SOMETHING OF THAT HAPPENING.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE REALIZED THAT.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD'VE TO SHOW THAT, THEY WOULD'VE TO.
I JUST WANNA GET THAT AND MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UM, SECONDLY, UM, WITH THE WELL THERE, WE ALSO HAVE CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE HAVE CONCERN ABOUT ANY KIND OF, WITH ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, IF THERE REMAIN ANY SETTLING OR HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THOSE GRAVES AND SOME OF THOSE STONES THAT ARE CLOSE TO THAT AREA THERE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE PLOTS ALONG CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT WE HAVE THAT AREN'T, THERE ARE NO, UM, THEY'RE NOT BEING USED AT THE, AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE HAVE PLOTS IN OUR CEMETERY MAP, UH, FOR FUTURE GRAVE SITES RIGHT ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT PRIMARILY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXISTING STONES AND THINGS UP THERE.
SOME OF THEM ARE OLD, SOME OF THEM HAVE BROKEN AS WELL.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A CONCERN JUST ABOUT THE, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF BARRIER OR FENCING BETWEEN WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS IN OUR CEMETERY.
UM, THAT JUST BRINGS UP CONCERNS SUCH AS POTENTIAL.
I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANY LIABILITY OF PEOPLE COMING ON THERE.
I MEAN, WE'RE PRETTY SECLUDED RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO ANY KIND OF VANDALISM OR ANYTHING, WHICH WE'VE NEVER REALLY EXPERIENCED, UM, THERE ARE JUST, UH, POS POTENTIAL CONCERNS FOR US.
BUT NUMBER ONE IS JUST THAT ACC THAT, THAT THE ACQUISITION OF OUR LAND THERE.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UH, I'M VICTORIA SCHWARTZ, 2 48 BAXTER.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS IN REGARDS.
UM, AS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK THIS RED THING RIGHT HERE, THIS IS WHERE HE'S REFERRING TO RIGHT HERE.
AND WITH THAT, SORRY, SOMEONE'S BOTHERING TO CALL ME.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE ONE OF THE GRAVE SITES THAT HE'S ACTUALLY REFERRING TO IS MY GRANDPARENTS.
SO MY GRANDPARENTS ARE ACTUALLY NEAR THE WELL.
AND I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER.
I HAVE CONCERNS, UH, WHAT WILL HAPPEN, HOW CAN I BE ASSURED AS THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF MY GRANDPARENTS' FINAL RESTING PLACE, BOTH OF THEM, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR GRAVES WON'T SETTLE.
THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, DESTRUCTION DUE TO ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S DONE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE WELL, ET CETERA.
SO THAT IS ONE QUESTION I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU GUYS TO REALLY TAKE A, A GOOD LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY ARE KIND OF EXTENDED UPON, UH, HOLY GHOST'S PROPERTY.
UH, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS WERE THAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, JUST IN GENERAL, I'M A RESIDENT, A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF MONTCLAIR, BORN AND RAISED.
SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE PLAYED IN THAT AREA, I KNOW THAT AREA VERY WELL.
MICHAEL'S CHURCH, WHICH, UM, THERE'LL BE OTHER PEOPLE TO DISCUSS WATER RUNOFF, ET CETERA.
UH, BUT FOR MYSELF, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WERE ANY SUB SOIL TESTING DONE TO SEE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE TOP? WAS ANY OF THAT DONE? AND IF NOT, CAN IT BE? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK.
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TAKING NOTES ON THIS AND HE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THESE IF HE WANTS TO TONIGHT.WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE.
WE CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPERTINENT BEFORE WE GO AHEAD WITH DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN POINT THAT I THINK A LOT OF US WANNA GET ACROSS IS WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA BE BUILT HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 5% OF OPEN TERRITORY LEFT IN UPPER PROVIDENCE.
UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING BECAUSE OF THE BETTERMENT, WE'VE, WE'VE BETTERED THE TOWNSHIP, ET CETERA.
BUT ON THIS, ANYWHERE IN HERE, AND IN PARTICULARLY OVER HERE, THERE'S AN OPTION OF 10% OPEN SPACE WITHIN DEVELOPMENTS OR TO PAY MONEY, WHERE'S THE 10%? AND ANYWHERE IN HERE THERE'S NO 10% OPEN SPACE.
SO I ASKED THAT TO BE REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT INSTEAD OF BEING BOUGHT OFF.
UM, I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST SOMEWHERE 10% OF OPEN SPACE SOMEWHERE IN HERE, CUZ IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY COMPACT.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU GUYS TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT THAT AS IN ACCORDANCE TO OVER HERE.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I'D LIKE TO ASK IF I MAY, UM, IS, AND FORGIVE ME HERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH ALL MY QUESTIONS ONE MORE AND I APOLOGIZE.
UM, OKAY, SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE LOVER'S LANE, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE BUILDINGS GO UP AND SO FORTH, WE KNOW THAT OVERDEVELOPMENT CAUSES A LOT OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
OLD TREES LIKE PINE TREES AND SO FORTH USED TO BE THERE.
THEY'RE USED TO ABSORBING WATER, ET CETERA.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THEY REMOVE ALL THE BRUSH, THEY'RE GONNA PLANT SOME TYPE OF TREES, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, BUT WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE THEY GONNA PLANT? ARE THEY GONNA PLANT HARDY MATURE TREES LIKE PINE TREES? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO TO HELP KIND OF COMBAT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE? BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF THEY DO BUILD THAT ROAD AND THEY DO TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THAT BRUSH, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WATER RUNOFF.
AND THAT IS A BIG, HUGE CONCERN.
IT DOES COME DOWN CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THROUGH LOVER'S LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE BACK OF ST.
I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LOOK INTO THAT.
THESE ARE AGAIN, JUST THINGS I WANNA BRING UP.
IF YOU GUYS CAN CHECK OUT, GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF THAT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER THINGS LIKE EROSION AND SO FORTH THAT'S HAPPENING.
AND IT'S NOT JUST IN THE UPPER HALF OF LOVER'S LANE, IT'S ALSO IN THE HALF OF HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT DOWN BELOW INTO AMELIA STREET, INTO JACOB STREET AND SO FORTH.
SO EVERYTHING REALLY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT.
SO THE ONE QUESTION THAT I ASK ALL OF YOU IS TO PLEASE JUST DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE LIKE YOU WOULD.
THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU IN HERE AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.
BUT PLEASE DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
LOOK AT THE HARD QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU, TAKE CONSIDERATION OF THE 5%, ALSO TAKE CONSIDERATION OF THE 10% AND LET'S HAVE A, A REPUTABLE, RESPECTABLE, RESPONSIBLE, AND ETHICAL COMMUNITY BUILT.
UH, BEFORE THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP, I'M SORRY, MR. FORDS, I'M SORRY, YOUR ADDRESS? 2 48 BAXTER BAXTER DRIVE? YES.
DOES THE APPLICANT WANT ADDRESS ANY OF THESE CONCERNS NOW OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU JUST LISTENING AND TAKING NOTES? SO, SO I'LL ADDRESS
WELL, I DIDN'T WANNA GET TOO FAR AHEAD IN CASE WE LO MISSED, YOU KNOW, GOT LOST.
BUT IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO GET ALL THE CONCERNS OUT AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU ADDRESS WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.
OH, CAN I HAVE ONE MORE? SORRY.
I DO HAVE VIDEOS, ACTUAL VIDEOS THAT I TOOK OF THE RAIN.
UM, I HAVE A VIDEO OF MYSELF PERSONALLY GOING DOWN LOVERS OR DOWN HAMMONDS HILL, LITERALLY THE OTHER DAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE BESTO, THE SPEEDOMETER,
WHO CAN I SEND THEM TO, JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE FOR YOUR OWN EYES, YOU CAN SEND EVERYTHING THROUGH TO ME.
EVERYTHING THROUGH JEFF, THE TOWNSHIP.
SO I'M GONNA GO OVER TO YOU, IF I MAY JUST GET YOUR EMAIL US YEAH.
BECAUSE THERE'S VIDEOS OF WATER RUNOFF, UM, AND JUST HOW, LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TWO DAYS OF RAIN.
SO I FIGURED THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU GUYS TO ALSO SEE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING WATER RUNOFF.
UH, AND IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN IT IS TODAY.
BUT I'LL GET THEM AS THE NEXT PERSON SPEAKS.
MY NAME IS JOHN MAACK, 180 7 SPARES LANE.
UM, MY BROTHER AND I OWN THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY DOWNHILL FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
MR. MALLON, IF I COULD INTERRUPT YOU ONE QUICK SECOND BEFORE I HAVE TO DUCK OUT.
THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD SENT ME TWO COPIES.
THEY WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, ONE I FORGOT TO LABEL IT WAS THE, THE VERY LAST SHEET IN THE PACKET.
IT WAS THE VERY LAST SHEET, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE DISTRIBUTED YOUR EMAILS TO ME, SIR.
FEEL FREE TO SAY WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
HEY, JEFF, COULD YOU THROW UP THAT OTHER SCREEN THOUGH BEFORE YOU WALK OUT AGAIN? I JUST, IT GIVES ME PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, COULD YOU POINT ON THERE AGAIN WHERE YOU'RE TALKING
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ABOUT THIS IS I HAVE ON SPARES LANE.SO I'M DOWNHILL FROM, THAT'S BE ONE OF THE PARCEL OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE BOUNDARY LINE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN POST DEVELOPMENT CEMETERY AND ONE OF OUR PROPERTIES.
SO PHOTOGRAPHS, AND I'M GONNA SHOW THE BOARD NOW TAKEN DECEMBER 24TH.
THIS YOUR HONOR, WORK AND PLACE THAT TRANSPIRED WITH THE TEMPERATURE THIS YEAR, MARK.
SO ON THIS OTHER SKETCH THAT YOU HAD THERE FILE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT BACK TO THE OTHER SCREENING.
THIS PHOTOGRAPH HERE IS SPARES LANE TOWNSHIP ROAD AT, AT TWO INCHES AWAY ON IT.
YOU RE WE REALLY NEED YOU TO BE ON THE MIC AS MUCH AS YOU THINK IT CARRIES.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SEVERAL PICTURES IN A ROW.
UH, I'VE BEEN DOING COMMERCIAL SNOW PLOWING FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER FOR 10 YEARS.
SO THE ICE ON SPARES LANE, THE BOTTOM PART, UH, WHICH COMES UP TO MY PROPERTY, WAS TWO INCHES THICK.
I TOOK THE BACKHOE TO SCRAPE THAT OFF, PUT MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE ON IT, AND THEN REAPPLIED AFTER I SCRAPED.
SO THIS IS AN ICE CONDITION, WHICH IS SAFETY.
ALL OF THIS WATER THAT YOU SEE IS RUNOFF FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO SH LET THE BOARD TAKE A LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS.
AND THEY'RE KIND OF, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF BE SELF-EXPRESSED.
WELL, HEY, WELL FINISH ALL YOUR POINTS, THEN YOU CAN GIVE US THE PHOTOS WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE, BUT FINISH ALL YOUR POINTS.
SO TH THESE PHOTOS ARE, ARE OF ICE.
MY PARENTS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY THAT I JUST POINTED OUT TO YOU IN YOUR EARLY SEVENTIES.
SO FOR 40 PLUS YEARS, 50 YEARS ACTUALLY, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE RUNOFF FROM THAT PROPERTY.
THESE PHOTOS ARE OF THAT PROPERTY UNDEVELOPED.
NOW, ONCE YOU DE NUDE THAT WHOLE PLOT, WHICH BASICALLY WITH THE ROAD AND HOUSES THERE AND OWE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THE TREES THAT ARE 30, 40, 50 FEET TALL, THEY'RE GONE ACCORDING TO THE PLAN.
WE'RE ABOUT 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF MY PROPERTY WITH THE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW.
AND THE TOP SOIL PILE THAT I HAVE THERE.
NOW, THIS IS THE RESULT LAST MONTH AT CHRISTMAS.
OKAY? NOW I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE WATER RUNOFF FROM THIS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.
AND ALSO THE ICE AND SNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S MELTED AND RUN DOWN THE HILL ON TOP OF MY OWN DRIVEWAY.
NOT TO MENTION THE HILL GOING DOWN THE SPARES LANE.
NOW, WHEN THE TOWNSHIP SNOW PLOW SHOWED UP THE SPRINKLE SALT TWICE, THEY TURNED AROUND IN THE AREA BY MY OTHER PROPERTY THERE BACKED UP TO WHERE THE MAILBOXES ARE.
ANOTHER 20 FEET STARTED TO SALT FROM THERE ON DOWN.
THE REST OF IT GONE UP TOWARD MY HILL.
AND I'VE BEEN SERVICING THAT PERSONALLY FOR YEARS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS KIND OF CONDITION AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE.
AND I CAN'T ANTICIPATE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, I SEE THAT THAT'S GONNA ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THERE'S ABOUT 79,000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA OUT OF THAT PLAN.
ROUGH CALCULATION WITH THE ENGINEER SCALE BASED ON THEIR DRAWINGS.
SIR
MY PARENTS ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT'S DOWNHILL FROM THAT YET, WHICH THE STREAM, WHICH VICKY TALKED ABOUT, RUNS THROUGH.
SO THAT FLOODS REGULARLY NOW EVEN INCLUDING THE PROPERTIES FROM AMANDA, WHICH IS ACROSS THE WAY THAT RETENTION POND BLEEDS INTO THE CREEK.
THAT CREEK FLOODS THE OTHER PART OF ONE OF MY PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.
THEN I OWN A THIRD PROPERTY FURTHER DOWN YET, WHICH ALSO FLOODS DOWNSTREAM FROM THE TWO THAT I JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU.
SO I'M GETTING FLOODING IN THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, THREE DIFFERENT DEEDS.
MY BROTHER AND I SPENT SEVEN YEARS FILLING IN ALL THE RUTS THAT WERE IN THE FIELD OF THAT PLOT THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T MOW IT AND DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
THE RUTS WERE THREE FEET DEEP FROM THE RUNOFF IN THAT BUILDING.
SO THIS WILL JUST GET YOU STARTED.
THESE ARE KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY.
AND THEN THESE ARE LITERALLY MY DRIVEWAY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE QUANTITY LIGHTS.
SO I HAVE DONE A BIT OF STORM WATER WORK IN THE PAST WESTCHESTER UNIVERSITY, ABOUT 50 FOOT
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BY A HUNDRED, 25 FOOT BY NINE AND A HALF FEET DEEP.I'VE BEEN EXCAVATING FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
THE REASON VICKI ASKED ABOUT THE SUBS SOIL IS ALL THE NEIGHBORS THERE KNOW WHAT KIND OF ROCK WE HAVE.
THAT WATER'S NOT GETTING ABSORBED IN A ROCK.
SO THE RETENTION POND'S GONNA HAVE TO BE CONCEIVED TO DEAL WITH THAT IMPERVIOUS AMOUNT OF SOIL, BECAUSE THE ROCK ISN'T GOING TO ACCEPT ANY WATER.
YOU HAVE TOP SOIL AND VEGETATION ON THERE NOW, AND YOU SEE THE RESULTS OF THE RUNOFF.
SO MY ISSUE IS WITH THE RUNOFF, SUMMERTIME WATER, WINTERTIME ICE.
NEXT, ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MIC.
WAYNE MARTIN, 180 JACOB STREET.
UH, SO, UM, MY CONCERN IS PRIMARILY, OR PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY WITH THE STEEP SLOPE VARIANCE THAT'S BEING SOUGHT ON THIS PROPERTY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT.
I OWN A COUPLE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AT RISK OF BEING IMPACTED BY THE UNNAMED AS FAR AS I KNOW, TRIBUTARY.
SO, UH, IF YOU PULL UP THAT OTHER SLIDE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THAT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF YOU TAKE NOTE OF WHERE IT SAYS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN THE UPPER LEFT MM-HMM.
AND I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT RECENTLY, BUT I THINK EACH ONE OF THOSE LINES IS TWO FEET.
AND IF YOU LOOK ACROSS WHERE THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN IS PLANNED, YOU'RE CROSSING A LOT OF THOSE LINES.
I BELIEVE I CALCULATED 18 FEET MINIMUM RETAINING WALL REQUIRED.
AND THAT'S JUST TO GO TO GRADE ON THE LOWER SIDE.
SO JUST PICTURE TO CUT THAT SLOPE TO GRADE, NOT TO PUT A HOLE IN IT, TO COLLECT STORM WATER IN SHALE, WHICH IT IS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT 18 FEET OUT OF THE SLOPE OVER THERE.
AND THEN I'M GONNA GUESS YOU'RE GONNA PUT A CART WAY IN SO YOU CAN MANAGE YOUR STORM BASIN.
SO THE CART WAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW FITS WITHIN THAT OVAL, UM, WITHOUT IMPACTING THE BACK OF LOT THREE OR LOT FOUR.
UH, SO BASICALLY, I'M JUST ASKING THE TOWNSHIP TO CRITICALLY REVIEW THE IMPACT OF THAT STORM BASIN.
IT'S, IT'S IN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIRES ANY PARK TESTING LIKE A, LIKE A, UH, A LEACH FIELD WOULD, BUT I MEAN, THAT STORM BASIN IS A DROP IN TO DROPOUT.
IF YOU'RE DESIGNING FOR A FIVE YEAR EVENT, HOW LONG'S IT GONNA TAKE TO FILL THAT VOLUME WITH THE APPROXIMATE? AND I'M RUNNING OFF OF OTHER PEOPLE'S CITED SQUARE FOOTAGE, APPROXIMATE TWO ACRES OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT IS BEING CUT OUT OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S SHALE UNDER, SO IT'S NOT ALL PERMEABLE, UH, BUT IS A HELL OF A LOT MORE PERMEABLE THAN IT IS WHEN THAT GOES ON THERE.
SO STEEP SLOPES EXCLUSIVELY IN, IN DISCUSSION.
I DON'T LIKE THE LOWER WHAT, 8, 9, 9 PARTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR THAT REASON.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK THAT THE TOWNSHIP CONSIDERS AND LOOKS AT IN DEPTH IS THE WATERSHED THAT LEADS INTO THAT.
WE'VE BUILT A LOT OF IT IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
SO IF WE'RE DESIGNED FOR A FIVE YEAR EVENT, IF THAT'S WHAT INDEED WE ARE FOR A AND I'M JUST WINGING IT, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I I WOULD DEFER TO JEN TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, YEAH, THE ORDINANCE, UM, DOES REQUIRE 50 YEAR POST-DEVELOPMENT FLOW TO TWO YEAR PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOW.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION, BUT THE OVERALL CONCEPT WILL BE DESIGNED FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
UM, WELL, I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING HOW THAT'LL FIT.
SO CONSIDER THE, THE ENTIRE WATERSHED.
I DON'T KNOW, NOT HOLDING IT AGAINST THIS DEVELOPER IN PARTICULAR, BUT CONSIDER YOUR DECISION ON THE ENTIRE WATERSHED AT SAS AVENUE.
YOU HAVE A, A SEVERE RESTRICTION IN FLOW.
SO IF YOU'RE DESIGNING, NOW WE BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE PUT ON AMANDA.
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YOU, WE NEVER LOOKED AT SOURS AVENUE CULVERT.WE NEVER LOOKED AT AMELIA STREET CULVERT.
WE HAVE A HOLE THAT IS A DEATH TRAP JUST SOUTH OF, OR JUST TOWARD THE RIVER OF AMELIA STREET, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, TO THE WEST OF AMELIA STREET.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A ROCK SLOPE WHERE WE, THERE WAS AN OVAL STORM PIPE THAT HAD DEGRADED AND COLLAPSED.
THE TOWNSHIP PULLED THAT OUT OF THAT LOT AND THEN JUST PUT R SEVEN S IN THE LOT IN THE HOLE.
AND WE HAVE A CULVERTED PIPE THAT COMES INTO THAT OPENING AFTER PASSING UNDER AMELIA STREET INTO AN OPENING THAT A CHILD WOULD BE TEMPTED TO, YOU KNOW, PLAY IN DURING A STORM AS I WOULD'VE, UH, AND THEN GO THROUGH AND BASICALLY BE TRAPPED UNTIL THEY COME OUT.
I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED ISH FEET AWAY.
UM, SOMETHING IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT SOS NEEDS TO BE DONE, ABOUT AMELIA NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT, THAT HOLE AND NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH AN A INCREASINGLY CLOSING OPENING THAT IS THE CULVERT UNDER JACOB STREET.
SO, DEPOSITION IS COMING DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE INCRE INCREASED VELOCITY OFF OF AMANDA AND ALL THESE, ALL THESE TRIBUTARIES AND ALL THIS FLASH NOW THAT WE'RE CHANNELIZING FLOW AND DUMPING IT.
AND RIGHT BEFORE IT HITS THE CANAL, THE LAST THING IT'S COMING ACROSS IS A BIG FLAT SPAN DOWN ACROSS JACOB STREET.
AND THAT CULVERT IS FILLING IN.
I'VE LIVED THERE 20 YEARS AND I'M SEEING IT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT'S GAINED AT LEAST A FOOT.
SO THAT CULVERT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OUT, REDESIGNED, WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO.
YOU, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DESIGNING FOR THIS, IT'S FLASHING OFF.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU CONSIDER WHAT THE IMPACTS OF ALL THESE OTHER PERMITTED USES AND VARIANCES HAVE BEEN FOR STEEP SLOPES.
AND CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS STEEP SLOPE.
AND ALSO PLEASE LOOK AT THOSE FLOWS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA IMPOUND, IT'S GONNA PACK FULL DEBRIS AND IT'S GOING TO BACK UP.
IF, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS LIKE YOU, YOU'VE EXPRESSED ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE DOWN BY, I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND AMELIA STREET PAST THE, THE RAILROAD TRESTLE AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, THERE'S A, A SERVICE REQUEST THAT YOU CAN PUT IN, PUT YOUR THOUGHTS DOWN THERE THAT WILL GET FORWARDED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EXPRESS TO HIM EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HE'LL PROBABLY MEET YOU OUT THERE.
YOU CAN, HE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S FILLING UP THAT SOMETHING'S GETTING SOME SEDIMENT IN IT, HIS GUYS ARE GREAT.
HE HE'LL ADDRESS IT IF, IF HE KNOWS IT'S THERE.
HE, BUT WE'RE 17 ACRES OR WE'RE 17 SQUARE MILES, HE CAN'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, PLEASE PUT IT IN A SERVICE REQUEST AND, AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST FROM A, PUT THIS DEVELOPMENT ASIDE FOR A SECOND.
IF YOU, THOSE ARE YOUR CONCERNS WITH DOWN ON AMELIA STREET FROM AMELIA TO JACOB, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL BE DOWN THERE.
I'M SURE TOM WILL BE DOWN THERE TO HELP CLEAN IT OUT.
AND YEAH, I A HUNDRED PERCENT I BELIEVE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND LOVE THEIR SUPPORT THAT THEY PROVIDE US.
BUT THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T OPEN IT UP TO WHAT IT WAS.
I'M JUST SAYING BY THE TIME YOU PUT THIS AND WHAT'S ON AMANDA, WE'RE SEEING IMPACTS THAT BLEW OUT THE OLD DAGGER'S DAIRY PROPERTY WALL BECAUSE OF AN IMPOUNDMENT THAT OCCURRED THAT BACKED UP INTO THE DAIRY.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN JACOB STREET BLEW OUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, I'M NOT, IF THE WATER HAS A PLACE TO GO, WHICH IT DID AT THAT TIME, EXCEPT IT GOT IMPOUNDED.
I'M JUST SAYING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS ON STEEP SLOPES, CONSIDER THOSE THINGS WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GRANTING VARIANCES.
A AS A QUICK ASIDE, THE VARIANCES ARE HEARD BY THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, AS I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE KNOW, BUT JUST I HAVE TO REITERATE IT.
UM, SO THAT APPLICATION'S NOT IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.
CERTAINLY WHEN THAT APPLICATION COMES IN, THIS BOARD WILL BE TOLD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WILL BE TOLD IF THERE'S SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT THIS BOARD HAS, THEY CAN CERTAINLY WRITE A LETTER, WRITE SOMETHING TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, UM, EXPRESSING THOSE ISSUES.
UM, IF THAT'S A PUBLIC FORUM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW A BUNCH OF YOU HAVE BEEN AT THOSE MEETINGS.
SO YOU CAN ALWAYS COME AND EXPRESS YOUR OPINION THERE TOO.
AND, AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD WILL, UM, ADDRESS THOSE WHEN, WHEN AND IF THEY APPLY.
AND I, AND I, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT WE HAVE GREAT FAITH IN OUR CONSULTANTS WHO DO THIS WORK AND THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH I SURE THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME QUESTIONS TO THE DEVELOPER, SOME POINTS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE FIXED OR ADDRESSED.
AND, AND, AND WE TAKE GREAT FAITH IN WHAT
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THEY BRING US AND THEY CAN TELL US, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.SO WE TAKE THAT IN OUR, IN OUR, WHEN WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I HAVE ONE MORE TO ADD TO THIS, PLEASE.
UM, AS HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WATER RUNOFF, OKAY.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN ON A MILLION, JACOB AND WALNUT STREET, THIS IS ALL EFFECTS AND GOES INTO THE CANAL.
SO PLEASE GIVE CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF.
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING AFFECTED THE MOST AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE BEING FORGOTTEN.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO PUT IN THERE.
AGAIN, WE TAKE GREAT FAITH IN OUR CONSULTANTS AND WE'LL, WE'LL, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH POINTS AND ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO, AND THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED YET, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THAT DEEP INTO THE, UH, INTO THE ENGINEERING OF THIS THING.
SO, BUT SHE'S SITTING RIGHT THERE.
SHE'S GONNA SHE'S HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SHE'S GONNA LOOK INTO IT AND SHE'S GONNA COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BOARD BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD.
I GOT A QUESTION, DAMON ADDRESS PLEASE.
I LIVE ON 300 LOVERS LANE TOO.
THE ONLY QUESTION I GOT IS AT THE TOP OF THE LOVERS LANE WHERE MY HOUSE IS, WHERE IT COMES AROUND THAT S NOW THAT GRADE ON THAT PROPERTY ON THAT LOT IS HIGHER THAN WHAT THE ROAD IS.
ARE THEY GONNA LEVEL THAT DOWN TO THE ROAD TO SO THAT SLOPES, I WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU THAT TONIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER THAT FALLS BACK INTO THAT RUN.
THOSE STORMS ARE NOW LATER GETTING MORE.
I GOT A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES DOWNHILL.
I GOT A FOREIGN INCH DRAIN AT MY DOOR.
THE LAST TWO STORMS WE HAD, I HAD PUSHED IT, IT WAS COMING INTO THE ROOM.
IT WAS, IT FLOODED THE BASEMENT.
JUST COMING RUN OFF WITH JUST LOVER'S LANE.
IT'S COMING DOWN MY DRIVEWAY ALMOST FLOODING.
THE PUMP IS CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING FOR TWO DAYS.
CAUSE IT'S COMING UP THROUGH THE, MY FRONT YARD LOOKS LIKE A POND FOR TWO DAYS CUZ IT WON'T ABSORB NO MORE WATER.
AND THEN LOVER'S LANE LOOKS LIKE A CRICK.
NO, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO US.
WE WE'RE HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'RE HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE REAL BIG LOOK AT THE WATER ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING DOWN THERE THAT YOU MAY KNOW ABOUT.
THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE HAS AN APPLICATION IN, UM, DOWN THERE ON AMELIA STREET.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE WATER CONCERNS IN THAT WHOLE AREA AND WHAT, WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN THE PAST.
YOU WANNA, AND, AND SINCE YOU'VE BROUGHT UP AMELIA STREET TOWN HOMES, WE HAVE NOTHING NEW ON THOSE.
UM, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL OVER THE SORT OF THE CHRISTMAS WEEK THAT THEY WERE FILLING OUT A ZONING HEARING BOARD APPLICATION.
I DON'T HAVE IT YET, SO THAT WE WE'RE NOWHERE DIFFERENT THAN WE WERE THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO ON THAT PLAN.
BUT THERE, BUT THE POINT IS THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE TALK.
SO WE'RE WELL, AND JED IS VERY WELL CONS, UH, FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT WHOLE AREA.
AND TRUST ME, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT REAL HARD.
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION AGAIN.
VICTORIA SCHWARTZ 2 48 BAXTER DRIVE.
AS YOU GUYS WERE STATING THAT, AND GOING BACK TO THAT 5% OF OPEN SPACE LEFT IN UPPER PROVIDENCE, WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION? IS YOUR INTENTION TO COMPLETELY FILL OUT THAT LAST FIVE REMAINING PERCENT? OH YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA FILL THAT UP AND WE'RE GONNA DRILL ALSO, WE'RE ALSO GONNA DRILL OIL WELLS TOO.
I'M SO ARE WE ALL GONNA GET RICH FROM IT? YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE ALASKA, WE'RE GONNA HANG THAT CHECKS ALL DAY LONG.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, QUESTION IS THOSE ARE WE, WE DON'T DEVELOP RIGHT AS APPLICANTS.
SO AS APPLICATIONS COME IN, WE HAVE TO REVIEW THEM.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE OPEN SPACE.
IT'S WHO OWNS IT HAS TO BRING, COULD CHOOSE TO KEEP IT OPEN SPACE FOREVER.
BUT AS PLANS COME IN, WE HAVE TO REVIEW THEM.
WE CAN'T STOP IT AT THIS LEVEL.
BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ADDRESSING SINCE YOU GUYS ARE HERE, BEING OUR VOICE RIGHT.
WELL, AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE ALL LIVE IN THIS TOWNSHIP TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE FOREFRONT CUZ IT'S NICE TO KNOW CUZ SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE SITTING UP HERE, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET A CHANCE TO FEEL THAT.
SO IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT INTERACTION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HERE US AND ALSO YOU GUYS.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THAT.
I LIVE AT ONE 20 AMELIA STREET.
AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO THE BOARD HERE THAT THERE IS A RUNOFF PROBLEM IN MONTCLAIR.
AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND I HOPE YOU REALLY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
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THANK YOU.ANYBODY ELSE? OH, WE GOT ANOTHER GENTLEMAN HERE.
PLEASE AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS BRETT WILLIAMS. I LIVE ON 1 49 AMELIA STREET.
MY HOUSE HAS THE PUBLIC DRAIN DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT.
WHEN MY WIFE JACQUELINE AND I FIRST BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN 2019, WAS TOLD TO US THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A 500 YEAR FLOOD ZONE.
SINCE THEN, IT IS FLOODED TWICE.
WE ALSO HAVE A WORKING SPRING, WHICH IS OUR WATER.
SO AMAZING HOW TIME GOES SO FAST, DOESN'T IT? THOSE 500 YEARS JUST BLOW RIGHT BY
SO AGAIN, JUST WANNA REITERATE, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THIS WATER RUNOFF.
UM, I MEAN, CAN'T EMPHASIZE IT ENOUGH.
ALL OUR HOMES, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS SUFFERED FROM WATER DAMAGE AND RUNOFF.
AND I MEAN, THIS DOESN'T SAY DWAYNE'S POINT THAT IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS.
I DON'T SAY A HUNDRED YEARS EITHER.
I CAN SAY TO YOU I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS AND I'VE WATCHED IT HAPPEN.
AND BEING HERE, WE'RE ALWAYS AWARE OF IT.
BUT AGAIN, THE PLANNING ALWAYS GOES THROUGH WHAT THE ENGINEERS DEVELOP, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, AND THEY'RE VERY THOROUGH.
AND THAT PROCESS, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS AND I THINK A LOT OF QUESTIONS ARE ASKED AND IT'S BEING RELATED TO ZONING OR IT'S BEING RELATED TO PLANNING.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN AND ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ALWAYS WEIGH HEAVILY ON US.
NEXT, ANYBODY ELSE? I'M GONNA ASK, UH, THE APPLICANT IF HE WANTS TO ADDRESS ANY OF THESE.
AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND ENGINEERING HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE YET, BUT IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANY OF THIS, PLEASE, I JUST GET SOME OF THE DIRECT LEVER.
MY CARD HAS MY CELL PHONE ON IT.
NEED SOMETHING? UM, YEAH, SO, SO I TOOK A A, A, SOME NOTES, SO I'LL TRY AND CONSOLIDATE WHAT I HEARD, UH, THIS EVENING.
UM, CERTAINLY STORMWATER I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF TIMES AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND COMPLY WITH THE TOWNSHIP STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE AS WELL AS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR AN N P DS PERMIT.
AND SO, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE PROCESSES AND, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, ARE, ARE OUT THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S AS FAR AS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK WE HIT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE WILL, WE'LL WORK WITH PENDOT ON, UH, THAT D CELL LANE AND THE WIDENING AS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD MIRROR, UH, WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH PENDOT AS OF YET? JUST PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SOIL TESTING.
UH, WE DID HAVE A WETLAND SCIENTIST, UH, EVALUATE THE SITE AND THERE WERE NO WETLANDS FOUND ON THE SITE.
UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD, UH, INFILTRATION TESTING, UH, BY A SOIL SCIENTIST, UH, COMPLETED.
BUT WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE VERY LITTLE TO NO INFILTRATION ON THE SITE, UH, WHICH WOULD LEAD US TOWARDS THAT MANAGE RELEASE CONCEPT THAT, UH, THE STATE HAS, UH, HAS BROUGHT IN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT OPEN SPACE, UH, AND, AND WHY WE DON'T HAVE 10%.
UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE SECTION IN THE, THE CODE IS IF YOU HAVE A, A PROPERTY THAT'S MORE THAN 25 ACRES, THEN YOU COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CLUSTER OPTION WITH, WITH OPEN SPACE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE 25 ACRES, SO WE DON'T, UH, WE CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT CLUSTER OPTION.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, AND BUFFERS.
UH, CERTAINLY AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, WE WILL, UH, PROVIDE PLANS THAT SHOW LANDSCAPING BUFFERS AND STREET TREES.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO, EVEN IF THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE SOME, UM, EVERGREENS, HOLLY TREES ARE PROVIDED SPRUCE TREES, UH, ALONG IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN REALLY ALL ALONG HERE AS WELL, UH, TO GIVE THE, THESE FOLKS PRIVATE BACKYARDS.
AND THEN, UH, WE WILL ALSO WOULD LIKE SOMETHING ALONG THIS SECTION, SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE AN EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPE PLAN A AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WELL.
THE ONLY ONLY ONE I HAD WAS THE, UM, THE CEMETERY WHERE HE, HE THINKS YOU'RE INTERSECTING HIS PROPERTY.
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT ON YOUR PLAN, RIGHT? NO, WE ABSOLUTELY ARE.
IT, IT, WE, WE, WE ARE, WE NEED TO TALK TO HIM.
UM, YOU NEED TO, YEAH, HE JUST GAVE HIM HIS CARD.
SO I WAS GONNA POINT OUT, MAKE SURE MR. YOU AND MR. SANCO SPEAK AFTER YES.
WE, WE, WE ABSOLUTELY, UH, NEED TO TALK TO HIM.
UH, WE PRELIMINARY LAID THIS OUT AND, AND WE WOULD NEED TO BUY A, A PORTION OF RIGHT OF WAY FROM HIM.
AND AS, AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE FENCING AND PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHERE WELLS ARE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, UH, NOW IF THAT, IF THAT, IF JUST, JUST BY CHANCE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT JUST BY CHANCE THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR POINT? SO, SO I THINK WE'D HAVE TO SHIFT IT
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OVER.RIGHT? SO, SO, SO THIS LOT HERE IS 19,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS, THIS WOULD ALL JUST, THERE'D BE A, A GREATER CURVE IN IT TO, TO BRING IT UP TO, TO THIS LOCATION.
THIS IS WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE BETTER TRAFFIC DESIGN, SO THAT THIS CENTER LINE LINES UP WITH THE, THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD UP HERE.
AND SO FROM A, UH, INITIAL LAYOUT, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, THIS WAS WHAT THE, THE ENGINEERS THOUGHT WAS THE DESIRED LOCATION.
IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, THEN WE'LL LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.
CAN I HAVE YOU GRAB SOMETHING? OH, YOU SAID THAT SURE.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HOLY GHOST TO POSSIBLY WHATEVER, AND THAT'S WITH, WITH THEM.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THERE IS GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF WHATEVER WHERE YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE BUYING THAT PROPERTY, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY FAMILY MEMBER.
BECAUSE THAT ROAD AS IT IS NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY, UM, CAUSING VERY, VERY SERIOUS DAMAGE TO A LOT OF GRAVE SITES.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, MYSELF, MY FAMILY, AND ALL THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THOSE GRAVE SITES? BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPACTED, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY THEY WON'T, THEY MOST CERTAINLY WILL BE IMPACTED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO COME TO THE PLATE, WHETHER YOU EXHUME THESE BODIES AND REMOVE THEM IF THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT THIS IS SERIOUS BECAUSE EROSION IS GONNA BE HAPPENING.
IT'S STARTING TO CUZ THE WATER RUNOFF, I NEED TO BE A THOUSAND PERCENT.
AND NOT JUST MYSELF, BUT EVERYBODY.
AGAIN, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE CEMETERY, BUT I CAN SPEAK FOR MY GRANDPARENTS AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS LOVED ONES BURIED THERE, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO NO ROAD UNTIL YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT OUT.
OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T TELL THAT, BUT I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU REALLY KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE KIND OF JUST TAKING WHATEVER YOU WANT AND KIND OF NOW, YOU KNOW, CAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF UNDUE RESTS TO THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE AT REST.
ANYBODY ELSE? ERIC, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
SO WE'VE HEARD EVERYBODY'S, UM, ISSUES TONIGHT.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER IS NOT TAKING IT LIGHTLY.
AND, UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REST OF THE AGENDA, JEFF, IS THAT RIGHT? SURE.
[DISCUSSION: FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
UM, THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS FUTURE ADEN AGENDA ITEMS. YES.AND WHAT'S COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS? I'M, UH, IT'S IT'S SOMETHING NEW.
PARKHOUSE PARKHOUSE, UM,
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR DECEMBER 7TH MEETING.
PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT WANNA WEIGH IN AT THAT POINT.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US.
SEE WHERE WE END UP AT THE END OF THAT MEETING.
ARE WE, ARE WE, ARE WE PLANNING ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT EVENING? NO.
SO JUST BE PARK HOUSE ON THE AGENDA? IT'LL JUST BE PARK HOUSE FOR THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING.
UH, THE MINOR SUBDIVISION FOR SPRINGFIELD SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT KEEPS SORT OF GETTING PUSHED BACK BY SPRINGPORT SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL BE ON.
AT LEAST THEY, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD.
IS IT PRELIMINARY PLAN? YEAH, I'M STILL IN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHRISTMAS HAZE.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA.
THERE WILL ALSO BE, AS I'VE BEEN SORT OF DETERMINED TODAY, THERE'S A, A REVISED FINAL PLAN FOR THE OAK SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.
SOME, THEY NEED TO PUT SOME DUMPSTERS ALONG THE BACK TO ADDRESS SOME FIRE MARSHAL CONCERNS.
WE'VE HAD JEN, LOOKING AT THE PLAN.
THE PLAN IS GENERALLY THERE, I THINK, BUT JUST FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU, I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT? IT'S, IT'S THE OAK SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY, THEY HAVE ONE CENTRAL DUMPSTER RIGHT NOW, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR TRASH DUMPSTERS JUST RANDOMLY IN THE FIRE LANE IN THE BACK.
THE FIRE MARSHAL BASICALLY SAID, THIS NEEDS TO STOP YOU.
THEY NEED TO USE THE CENTRALIZED DUMPSTER OR COME BACK.
THEY'VE COME BACK WITH A PLAN TO PUT MULTIPLE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES BACK THERE.
AND WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT IT FROM A, JUST FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT.
SO THAT, BUT IT NEEDS TO GET RERECORDED.
SO IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH YOU, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THE, THE, THE BOARD TO GET REAPPROVED PRETTY EASY ONE, I THINK.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THIS, THE 18TH.
THAT AGENDA WILL COME OUT ABOUT A WEEK FROM TODAY.
AND, AND, AND, AND I SEE YOU HAVE AMELIA STREET TOWNHOUSE, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT
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A LITTLE BIT, UH, TONIGHT.AS FAR AS, UM, THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
THAT ONE AGAIN, THEY, THEY HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING IN.
THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THEIR PLANS.
AS I SAID, OVER THE, THE CHRISTMAS NEW YEAR WEEK, I GOT AN EMAIL ASKING ABOUT FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION.
THEY WERE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH, WITH THE APPLICATION.
UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION SITTING ON MY DESK, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
AND AL THE, THE FINAL PLANS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE AGENDA, PD, HOME FULL TOLL FOLEY AND YK STATION.
THEY'RE JUST WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERS TO RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T BRING THE FINAL PLANS BACK UNTIL THEY'RE COMPLETELY CLEAN.
ANYBODY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS TONIGHT OR QUESTIONS OR, I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO NICOLE? I'M NOT SURE.
I'LL REACH OUT TO HER, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY.
CAUSE SHE, SHE, SHE HAD TOLD ME SHE WAS GONNA BE HERE.
SHE SAW THE PARTY? YEAH, I THINK SO.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UH, ERIC, YOU GOOD? GOOD.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL, UH, TAKE UH, A MEETING TO ADJOURN.
BOB'S MAKING A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MEETING ADJOURNED TILL, UH, JANUARY 18TH.