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[CALL TO ORDER]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21ST, 2022.AND, UH, IF YOU'LL RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
RIGHT.AND, UH, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT OUR AGENDA.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[CEREMONIES]
AND, UH, NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, PROMOTIONS WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.I'LL JOIN CHIEF FREEMAN DOWN BELOW, AND TESTING IT IS ON.
UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, TWO PROMOTIONS AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA START OUT BY INVITING THE OFFICERS UP ONE AT A TIME, AND I'LL GIVE A BRIEF BIO.
THE OFFICER IN, IN, UH, CHAIRMAN STARLING HERE WILL THEN ADMINISTER THE OATH.
BUT, UM, BOTH OF THESE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN, UH, FANTASTIC AND, UH, VERY EXCITED FOR, FOR THEM AND TONIGHT, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND, UH, WE WISH THEM ALL THE BEST IN THIS NEW CHAPTER OF THEIR CAREER.
SIR, FIRST ALL I'D LIKE TO CALL UP AS, UH, CORPORAL SCOTT REYNOLDS.
UH, CORPORAL REYNOLDS BEGAN HIS CAREER HERE IN NOVEMBER OF 2003.
IN 2000, I'M SORRY, IN DECEMBER OF 2018, HE WAS PROMOTED TO HIS CURRENT RANK CORPORAL.
HE IS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT'S FIRST AID AND CPR INSTRUCTORS, AND IS A MOTOR CARRIER SAFETY INSPECTOR.
CORPORAL REYNOLDS WAS BORN AND RAISED IN EAGLEVILLE.
SO HE IS A LOCAL GUY, AND HE CURRENTLY LIVES IN BOYERTOWN WITH HIS TWO DAUGHTERS, MACY AND KATIE.
UH, MACY IS NINE AND KATIE IS EIGHT.
UH, PRESENT TONIGHT IS HIS DAUGHTERS, MACY AND KATIE, HIS PARENTS, JEAN AND JUDY, AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
SO ONE OF YOU LADIES, HOLD THIS BACK AND PUT HIS RIGHT HAND ON THAT.
I, SCOTT REYNOLDS, HAVING BEEN DULY APPOINTED POLICE SERGEANT FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT, REYNOLDS APPOINTED POLICE SERGEANT FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT, DO SOLEMNLY AFFIRM THAT I WILL SUPPORT, OBEY, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION.
DO SOLEMNLY AFFIRM THAT I WILL SUPPORT, OBEY, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, UNITED STATES AND THE PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION, THE LAWS OF PENNSYLVANIA AND THE GOVERNMENT AND GOV, AND THE GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION, AND THE ORDINANCES OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THE LAWS OF PENNSYLVANIA AND THE GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION, AND THE ORDINANCES OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
AND THAT I WILL DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE WITH FIDELITY, AND THAT I WILL DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF OFFICE WITH FIDELITY.
MY FURTHERMORE, I AFFIRM THAT I WILL UPHOLD, OBEY, AND ENFORCE THE LAW.
FURTHERMORE, I AFFIRM THAT I WILL UPHOLD, OBEY, AND ENFORCE THE LAW WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF A PERSON'S RACE, COLOR, SEX, RELIGIOUS CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AGE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, HANDICAP, OR DISABILITY.
FURTHERMORE, I AFFIRM THAT I WILL UPHOLD, OBEY, AND ENFORCE A LAW WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF A PERSON'S RACE, COLOR, SEX, RELIGIOUS CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AGE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, HANDICAP, OR DISABILITY.
I'VE HEARD CAN DO, WE CAN DO THAT AS A
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THANK THAT.OFFICER ALLEN WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NO COUNTY WHERE HE ATTENDED THE PENNSBURY HIGH SCHOOL AND IS ALSO WHERE HE MET HIS WIFE.
HE ATTENDED UNIVERSITY WHERE HE ATTENDED HIS FOOTBALL CAREER.
AFTER FOUR YEARS, I'VE COMPLETED FOOTBALL, GRADUATED FROM ITY BACHELOR IN, IN SOCIOLOGY.
AFTER COLLEGE, YOU ENROLLED IN UNIVERSITY, GRADUATING, RETIRED BRIST.
YOU WORKED FOR BRISTOL AT BELL FOR TWO YEARS TO TWO.
YOU FIELD IN 17, DURING HIS CAREER HERE, ASSIGNMENTS THAT INCLUDE A FIELD TRAINING ALL, UH, HE A MEMBER OF AS IN 2000, HE MARRIED HIS HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, AND THEN HER SON, UH, TONIGHT IS ACCOMPANIED BY HIS WIFE, HIS MOTHER STEP.
YOU WANNA HOLD THIS? UH, WE'RE ALL HOOKED UP WITH THE BIG PRINT HERE.
I, JACOB ALLEN, HAVING BEEN HAVING BEEN DUALLY APPOINT A POLICE CORPORAL FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT, I, JACOB ALLEN, HAVING BEEN DULY APPOINTED POLICE CORPORAL FOR THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT, DO SOLEMNLY AFFIRM THAT I WILL SUPPORT, OBEY, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION.
DO SOLEMNLY AFFIRM THAT I WILL SUPPORT, OBEY, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION, THE LAWS OF PENNSYLVANIA AND THE GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION, AND THE ORDINANCES OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THE LAWS OF PENNSYLVANIA AND THE GOVERNMENTAL SUBDIVISION, AND THE ORDINANCES OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, AND THAT I WILL DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE WITH FIDELITY, AND THAT I WILL DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE WITH FIDELITY.
FURTHERMORE, I AFFIRM THAT I WILL UPHOLD, OBEY, AND ENFORCE THE LAW WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF A PERSON'S RACE, COLOR, SEX, RELIGIOUS CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AGE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, HANDICAP, OR DISABILITY.
FURTHERMORE, I AFFIRM THAT I WILL UPHOLD, OBEY, AND ENFORCE THE LAW WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF A PERSON'S RACE, COLOR, SEX, RELIGIOUS CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AGE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, HANDICAP, OR DISABILITY.
RIGHT? TOMORROW'LL, LET YOU KNOW.
WE'LL, GONNA LET MOMMY PIN THAT ON MY, HOW ABOUT IT? THERE WE GO.
LET'S GET A PICTURE REAL QUICK.
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WELL, THAT WAS THE FUN PART OF THE MEETING,NOW WE'LL GET DOWN TO BUSINESS.
UH, NOW'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK YOU TO COME UP TO THE LECTERN, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR STREET ADDRESS, AND PLEASE TRY TO CONFINE YOUR MARKS TO THREE MINUTES, SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
OKAY.WE JUST HELD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION PRIOR TO THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS LABOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH BOTH OUR FIRE AND POLICE UNIONS AND, UH, TO TALK ABOUT LITIGATION WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
NOW WE'RE DOWN TO APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST.I ASSUME EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE, THE BILL LIST.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM OCTOBER 1ST, OCTOBER 27TH, IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,711,000, $695 AND 25 CENTS.
ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR THE PERIOD OCTOBER 1ST THROUGH OCTOBER 27TH, 2022, IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,711,695 AND 25 CENTS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF MINUTES BECAUSE OF OUR, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT WE HELD IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.UM, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT 'EM ALL IN ONE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE OCTOBER 17TH, NOVEMBER 3RD AND NOVEMBER 10TH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR BUDGET WORKSHOP.
AND A COUPLE OF SECONDS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER 17TH BOARD OF SUPERVISOR REGULAR MEETING, THE NOVEMBER 3RD BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING, THE NOVEMBER 10TH BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING, AND NOVEMBER 14TH BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING, ALL OCCURRING IN YEAR 2022.
[OLD BUSINESS (Part 1 of 2)]
WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, AN IMPORTANT UPDATE WE'RE GONNA GET FROM OUR CONSULTANT, SUSAN MASELLI, AND SHE'S ON A TIME CRUNCH.SO SUSAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD, AND SUSAN IS GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THE PROGRESS OF THE GRANT, THE FEMA GRANT MITIGATION PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE GOING IN MONTCLAIR AND, UH, AND PORT PROVIDENCE.
SO, AS OF RIGHT NOW, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP HAS FOUR ACTIVE FEMA HAZARD MITIGATION APPLICATIONS, UM, IN, IN PLAY RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE FIRST APPLICATION IS THE FMA 2020 APPLICATION, UM, WHICH WAS APPROVED SINCE THE LAST TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND, UM, AS THE BOARD MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, THE GRAND AGREEMENT WAS SENT TO THE TOWNSHIP.
THE TOWNSHIP EXECUTED THE AGREEMENT, AND THE AGREEMENT IS BACK AT FEMA.
I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY WITH GRANT'S MANAGEMENT ASKING WHERE THE FULLY EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENT WAS.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE CYCLES AT FEMA.
SHE INDICATED TO ME, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE'D HAVE A FULLY EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENT WITHIN THE NEXT 40 DAYS.
UM, I HAVE ALREADY ASKED FOR AN ADVANCE ON THAT PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE A FULL HUNDRED PERCENT, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $600,000.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER 30 TO 40 DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT WE RECEIVED THE FULLY EXECUTED DOCUMENT.
UM, I ANTICIPATE THE ADVANCE COMING BEGINNING OF JANUARY, BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, AROUND THAT TIME, SO WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AS SOON AS THAT GRANT AGREEMENT COMES BACK FULLY EXECUTED.
SO WE ARE, BRIAN AND I ARE COORDINATING ON THAT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS WITH THE ENGINEERS OF GETTING PERMITTING WORKED ON, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE FLOODWAY, AND ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE FLOODWAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PERMITTING.
IT SEEMS TO BE TAKING LONGER AT THE STATE AND COUNTY LEVEL.
SO THE ENGINEERS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TO GET THAT GOING, WHICH IS BEING VERY PROACTIVE.
UM, SO NOW MOVING ON TO HM, M G P FORTY FIVE OH SIX, WHICH I CALL THE DISASTER APPLICATIONS.
UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP HAS TWO APPLICATIONS.
THERE'S 22 HOMES IN EACH APPLICATIONS.
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THERE'S NOT ONE PREFERENTIAL APPLICATION OVER THE OTHER.THE ONLY REASON IT IS SPLIT IS BECAUSE IT'S 2 44 HOMES IS TOO MANY IN ONE PROJECT.
AND THAT WAS AT THE ADVICE OF FEMA.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, TOTAL 18 MILLION.
THE TOWNSHIP ALONE BETWEEN ALL FOUR OF THESE APPLICATIONS WILL HAVE $19 MILLION IN FEMA FUNDING.
UM, THE FEMA EHP TEAM WAS ACTUALLY IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TODAY AND WILL BE TOMORROW.
THAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL, HISTORIC AND PRESERVATION.
UM, CONSULTANTS, THIS IS THE LAST STAGE OF REVIEW, UM, THAT LEADS TO APPROVAL.
UM, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GONNA HAPPEN? ARE THEY GONNA DENY IT? AT THIS POINT, NO.
WE ARE IN THE, IF IT MADE IT TO THIS POINT, IT WILL GET APPROVED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE AT THIS POINT NOW WHERE THE EH PEOPLE CAME.
WE WENT OUT THERE TODAY, WE SPOKE WITH THEM.
UM, THERE IS A CONCERN FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NONE OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE CONSIDERING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, BUT THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT YOU ARE ACQUIRING AND DEMOLISHING 44 STRUCTURES IN A SMALL AREA, AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO FEMA WHETHER IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
THEY TOLD ME TODAY IT DOES NOT AFFECT APPROVAL.
UM, BRIAN WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A BINDER TODAY.
THE TOWNSHIP DID A HISTORICAL, UM, SURVEY IN 2004, WHICH WILL WAS GREAT BECAUSE WE HANDED OVER THE BINDER TO THEM.
WE'RE EITHER GONNA COPY IT OR JEFF, UM, SAID THAT HE MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DIGITAL COPIES THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY SPEED UP THEIR PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN IDEN, HOPEFULLY IDENTIFY FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS PROCESS A LITTLE QUICKER.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY ADVERSE, YOU KNOW, UM, THINGS THAT COME UP, THEY WOULD JUST MAKE SUGGESTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MITIGATE THIS? BUT THIS PROJECT IS AN EFFECTIVE PROJECT.
THERE ARE NO NATURAL SOLUTIONS.
SO THEY KNOW ALL THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR THAT TODAY, THAT THIS ISN'T GONNA PREVENT ANYTHING THEY TOLD US.
THEY'RE HOPING TO FINISH UP THEIR REVIEW BY THE END OF NEXT MONTH.
UM, AS FAR AS THIS PROJECT, UM, I'M THINKING A START DATE OF FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, BECAUSE WHEN IT GOES THROUGH EHP, THEY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN IT GOES TO FEMA, FEMA, UM, OBLIGATES IT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FUND IT.
THEN FROM THERE, THE PROJECT WILL HAVE TO GO TO CONGRESSWOMAN DEAN'S OFFICE FOR LARGE PROJECT NOTIFICATION.
SO SHE HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THAT, THAT WE'VE MADE, UH, CONGRESSWOMAN DEAN'S OFFICE VERY AWARE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT.
HER OFFICE IS ACTUALLY, UM, DRAFTING A LETTER TO FEMA ON BEHALF OF OUR MUNICIPALITY.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SAYING THAT SHE SUPPORTS THIS, SHE IS ASKING THAT THIS BE EXPEDITED.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY COULD DO TO MOVE THIS ANY FASTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM FMA 20, WE CAN'T KEEP HAVING THIS DRAG OUT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M REALISTICALLY SAYING FOR SIX MONTHS TO ACTUALLY, LIKE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, START ACQUIRING HOMES, START DEMOLISHING.
UM, AND SO I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
YOU KNOW, I TRY AND TELL PEOPLE AT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FAST.
YOU KNOW, THESE FMA GRANTS TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS.
I'M NOT VERY HAPPY WITH THE PROC, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED OF THIS.
I THOUGHT THESE WOULD BE APPROVED BY NOW.
THAT'S KIND OF THE INDICATION FEMA GAVE TO US, BUT I CAN'T CONTROL THESE DISASTERS, NOR CAN THEY IN, IN FLORIDA, IN PUERTO RICO.
AND THAT TOOK A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY FROM OUR APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'VE SLOWED DOWN A BIT.
UM, SO LASTLY, THERE IS ONE LAST, UM, APPLICATION, WHICH IS, UM, 2 0 5 CANAL STREET, WHICH PIMA PUT INTO SWIFT CURRENT, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE HM, M G P.
SO WE'RE HOPING WHICHEVER ONE HITS FASTER, WE'LL JUST GET THAT ONE GOING.
UM, THE REASON WHY THAT WAS PUT IN A DIFFERENT APPLICATION IS BECAUSE IT WAS IN FMA 20, BUT, UM, FEMA HAS BEEN NICE ENOUGH TO HONOR THE HIGHER APPRAISALS THAT BOTH 2 0 1 AND 2 0 5 CANAL STREET GOT LAST AUGUST.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN FMA 20.
SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF, THEY WERE HAPPIER TO HAVE THE HIGHER APPRAISALS HONORED AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO, AND IN ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, AS I EXPLAINED, IN FMA 2020, WHEN WE GET OUR FULLY EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENTS, THE TOWNSHIP IS ENTITLED TO ASK FOR AN ADVANCEMENT OF HALF OF EACH GRANT.
SO ONCE WE HAVE FULLY EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENTS, I CAN REQUEST 4.5 MILLION ON EACH, WHICH SHOULD DEFINITELY GET US GOING FOR THAT BIG CHUNK OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA WANNA GO RIGHT AWAY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE A LULL FOR A WHILE
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UNTIL PEOPLE FIND HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.SO, ANY QUESTIONS? I I HAVE ONE.
UM, JUST, AND, UM, I WANNA KNOW IF, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME AN IDEA AS TO WHEN YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THESE PEOPLE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN WHOLE AGAIN.
I KNOW THEY'RE ALL, UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'VE ALL BEEN ON HOLD FOR THE LAST 14 MONTHS OR BETTER.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY YOUR FAULT.
I KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME SOME KIND OF AN IDEA SO THAT WHEN I GET PHONE CALLS FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WANNA KNOW, HOW MUCH LONGER DO I HAVE TO WAIT, JOHN? UM, I WOULD REALISTICALLY SAY FOUR TO SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN START SETTLEMENTS.
BEFORE WHAT, BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THE SETTLEMENT TABLE WITH PEOPLE.
SO IF I TELL SOMEBODY SIX MONTHS TIME, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE SETTLEMENT TABLE IN SIX MONTHS TIME.
I MEAN, I AM GONNA GIVE YOU, THAT'S WORST CASE SCENARIO.
BILL STARLING WAS KIND ENOUGH TO CALL HIS CONTACT AT CONGRESSWOMAN DEAN'S OFFICE.
I HAVE BEEN PRESSURING THEM ASKING, YOU KNOW, I'M CALLING IN EVERY FAVOR I CAN POSSIBLY CALL IN AT FEMA.
I MEAN, I BASICALLY INSERTED MYSELF INTO THIS AND BRIAN TODAY INTO FEMA'S TIME IN THE COMMUNITY.
I, IT'S, I WISH I COULD CONTROL THIS PROCESS.
I ONLY DO, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR CONGRESSIONAL PRESSURE AT THIS POINT WHEN WE NEED IT.
I'VE PULLED IT OUT OF A HAT, AND IF, YOU KNOW, PERKY HILLMAN'S BEEN APPROVED, I'M VERY HAPPY FOR THEM.
BUT I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A PRIORITY.
THERE'S NO HOMELESS PEOPLE, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT ON RECORD, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THIS SHOULD BE FIRST.
AND, YOU KNOW, FEMA, OUR FEMA PEOPLE TODAY KNEW THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY.
SO I'M HOPING WITH US, HELPING THEM, GIVING THEM INFORMATION, WE'LL CUT THEIR TIME DOWN, BUT LET'S SAY SIX MONTHS.
BUT I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY EMAILING PEOPLE.
I WILL ACTIVELY EMAIL OUR GROUP THIS WEEK AND GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE.
I UPDATED THEM LAST WEEK TO SAY, THE EHP PEOPLE ARE HERE THIS WEEK.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I'M HAVING THEM GO TO CONGRESSWOMAN DEAN'S OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE ON EVERYWHERE WE POSSIBLY CAN, IF WE CAN MOVE THIS UP ANY FASTER.
SO THE REASON WHY IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN SAY, PERELMAN BILL, IS IT THE AMOUNT OR IS IT THE HISTORIC PART OF IT? AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE HISTORIC, LIKE WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DIG AT? LIKE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHETHER IT'S HISTORIC OR NOT, IT'S IN FLOOD PLAIN.
I THINK FEMA PICKED THE EASIEST APPLICATION.
I REALLY, I THINK THEY JUST SAID, OH,
I MEAN, UM, IT'S, THERE'S A FINITE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS, AND WE LOST A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER FEMA REGION WHO HAD TO BE DEPLOYED AT THE TIME WHEN WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN GETTING THESE APPLICATIONS DONE.
SO WE LOST A WHOLE BUNCH OF EYES THAT WERE REVIEWING THESE APPLICATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF HIT THIS, YOU KNOW, ROAD BUMP.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE VIABILITY OF THE APPLICATION, IT'S NOT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS, IT'S JUST, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ALSO KIND OF SLOWED US DOWN A LITTLE BIT TOO.
THEY NEED TO BE CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CROSSING ALL THEIR T'S AND DOTTING ALL THEIR, I'S THAT THIS ISN'T A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND 44 HOMES WILL BE ACQUIRED AND DEMOLISHED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, BRIAN WAS VERY HELPFUL TO THIS BINDER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SURVEY WAS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
SO, AND I GOT THE ASSURANCES THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS SOMETHING ADVERSE, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE APPROVAL.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE, COULD WE MAKE THESE, YOU KNOW, TWEAKS HERE, TWEAKS THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WILL BE DONE WITH THAT PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SUSAN.
WE WILL KEEP POKING AND TICKLING THE ELEPHANT UNTIL WE GET WHAT WE WANT.
MY NEXT VIDEO WILL BE SOON AND IT'LL BE READY TO GO.
[PUBLIC HEARING]
UM, AND NOW WE'RE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST, UH, APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN FOR TONIGHT, AUTOZONE, JUST POST.
AND, UH, AND WE THEN ON THE, UH, BACK 2 0 9, YEAH.
UH, WE'RE HERE ON AN ADVERTISED, UM, HEARING TO CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.
THIS WOULD BE ORDINANCE 5 98, AND IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 1 54 71.
UM, OF THE SAL DO, UM, STATE LAW ALLOWS FOR PERIODIC INCREASES IN THE FEES THAT ARE SET FORTH, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE TO RECOVER ACT 2 0 9 MONEY.
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OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, CASEY MOORE, HAS A PRESENTATION IN CONNECTION WITH THAT AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE.MY NAME IS CASEY MOORE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC CONSULT.
SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF, AS JOE SAID, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S A TOWNSHIP ACT 2 0 9, UH, IMPACT FEE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION.
AND, UM, THE, FROM TIME TO TIME THE TOWNSHIP CAN GET THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOGETHER.
IT COULD BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, IT CAN BE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
UM, WE PUT A MEMO TOGETHER TO ASK THAT GROUP TO RECONVENE, UM, TO LOOK AT THE COSTS THAT WERE CALCULATED, UH, FOR THE IMPACT FEE, AND TO USE THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX FROM THE ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD TO SEE HOW THOSE COSTS HAVE INCREASED OVER TIME.
UH, WE BEST BASICALLY MET WITH THAT COMMITTEE, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, IT MIGHT BE TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND THEY BASICALLY ADOPTED WHAT WE PUT IN OUR MEMO, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT.
CURRENTLY, THERE'S TWO TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AREAS THAT SERVE THE TOWNSHIP THAT COLLECT FEES.
ONE OF THOSE TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AREAS.
TRANSPORTATION AREA NUMBER ONE COLLECTS A FEE OF $1,955 AND 88 CENTS PER NEW PM PEAK HOUR TRIP.
TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AREA TWO COLLECTS AT $2,766 AND 2 CENTS PER NEW PM PEAK HOUR TRIP, ACCORDING TO THE JULY 22ND CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.
AND COMPARING IT TO THE TIME THIS WAS ADOPTED IN MAY OF 2019, THAT'S A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
COSTS HAVE GONE UP 17.2 SEC TWO 6%, 17.26%.
SO IF YOU APPLY THOSE TO EACH OF THE SERVICE AREAS, THE FIRST SERVICE AREA WENT UP BY $337 AND 58 CENTS A TRIP, $477 AND 41 CENTS A TRIP IN SERVICE AREA TWO, WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWNSHIP AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO INCREASE YOUR FEES BY THE CONSTRUCTION CON COST INDEX THAT'S PERMITTED.
SO THE NEW FEES WOULD BE $2,293 AND 46 CENTS IN TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AREA ONE AND $3,243 AND 43 CENTS IN TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AREA TWO.
UH, THE TOWNSHIP ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 16TH FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WAS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WITH RESPECT TO CASEY'S COMMENTS? ANY IN THE PUBLIC, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THESE AMENDMENTS TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE? AND LET LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT NO ONE HAS SO INDICATED.
SO IT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. STARLING TO REQUEST A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE? YEAH, I, YEAH, I, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CUZ WE HEARD IT ALL
UM, SO I, YEAH, I'M, I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION.
IT'S THERE BELOW ITEM NINE IN THE BOLDED SECTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 5 98 AMENDING SECTION 1 54 71 OF THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THE AMENDED TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ACT 2 0 9 SUBCOMMITTEE.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ENACT ORDINANCE 5 98 AMENDING SECTION 1 54, 71 OF THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THE AMENDED TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ACT 2 0 9 SUBCOMMITTEE.
[OLD BUSINESS (Part 2 of 2)]
ALL RIGHT.AND, UH, NOW WE'RE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.
UH, WE GOT OUR UPDATE ON OUR FEMA GRANTS.
AND, UH, YEAH, WE'RE ALL DONE WITH HEARING.
UM, CONSIDER AWARDING A BID FOR THE GUMMIES ROAD CULVERT PROJECT TO BP PEARSON INCORPORATED OF KING OF PRIA, PA IN THE AMOUNT OF $158,691 AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.
AND, UH, I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO IN CONCURRENCE WITH THIS.
WE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, WE BUDGETED A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THIS REPAIR AND, UH, THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.
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OUR BUDGET, UH, RESOLUTION, AND WE'LL DO THAT IN ITEM 12 IF WE PASS ITEM 11.UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT FROM THE TOWNSHIP MANAGEMENT? UH, I KNOW THAT BIDS CAME IN AS HIGH AS 375,000 ON THIS.
UH, I THINK THIS IS, UH, ABOUT AS GOOD AS WE'RE GONNA DO ON THIS ONE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD THE BID FOR THE GUMMIES ROAD CULVERT PROJECT TO B B PATTERSON INC.
OF KING OF PRESSURE PA, IN THE AMOUNT OF 158,691, UH, DOLLARS AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER AS RECOMMENDED BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AWARD THE BID FOR THE GUMMIES ROAD CULVERT PROJECT TO BP PATERSON INC.
OF KING OF PRIA, PA IN THE AMOUNT OF $158,691 AS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER AS RECOMMENDED BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
AND THEN HAND IN HAND WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE, UH, DIDN'T BUDGET QUITE ENOUGH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A, HAVE TO MAKE A, A LINE AMENDMENT THERE.
SO, UM, THAT MOTION IS IN THE BOLDED THERE.
IF ITEM 11 IS PASSED, AS SOMEBODY I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, DOES THIS, DOES THIS AMEND 2022 BUDGET OR DOES IT GET PUSHED TO 23? OKAY.
WELL ACCRUE THE EXPENSE THIS YEAR.
IT DOESN'T IMPACT A 23 BUDGET, CORRECT.
I'M, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT, UH, RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 39 AUTHORIZING A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE 2022 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE GUMS ROAD CULVERT REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 39 AUTHORIZING A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE 2022 CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE GUMMIES ROAD CULVERT REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
CONSIDER OUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 40 AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF REVISION NUMBER THREE OF THE MS FOUR POLLUTION REDUCTION PLAN.
AND, UH, AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT OR, UH, JUST REMINDING YOU THAT THIS REVISION INCORPORATES THE STREAM BANK RESTORATION AS PART OF THE, UH, 3 57 GREENWOOD AVENUE PROJECT, AND THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY STATE MS FOUR FOLKS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUBMITTING FOR THE APPLICATION.
UH, ANY, IF ANYBODY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS A FEW TIMES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20, EXCUSE ME, 2022 DASH 40 AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF REVISION NUMBER THREE OF THE MS FOUR POLLUTION REDUCTION PLAN.
I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 40 AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF REVISION NUMBER THREE OF THE MS FOUR POLLUTION REDUCTION PLAN.
AND NUMBER ITEM 14, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 41 GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE SOUTH LEWIS ROAD TOWN HOMES AT 4 61 SOUTH LEWIS ROAD.
BE DONE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UM, SOUTH LEWIS INVESTMENT PARTNERS, AND WE WERE BEFORE THE BOARD LAST YEAR FOR THE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH WE OBTAINED.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REVISIONS TO THE PLAN, UM, THAT I'LL LET, UM, MR. FIOLA DISCUSS HERE BRIEFLY.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE, UM, RECEIVED.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE RECEIVED IN OCTOBER.
THEY RECOMMENDED PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF ANY DEVIATION FROM THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE ORIGINAL PRELIMINARY PLAN APPLICATION, THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE EXCLUSIVELY TO, UM, WORK IN COOPERATION WITH PENDOT AND THE TOWNSHIP IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION
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AT SOUTH LOUIS AND VA.UM, THE, THE PROPOSAL ENTAILS THE, UH, EXPANSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AROUND THAT CURVE.
AND IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT, I DID BRING HARD COPIES FOR THE BOARD IF YOU WANT THEM.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT AND MYSELF AND OUR CONSULTANTS, OUR ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, UM, AS WELL AS THE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND A ZONING OFFICER, PARTICIPATED IN A, UM, A ZOOM CALL WITH PENDOT, I BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PENDOT REVIEW LETTER.
UM, AND THIS WAS OUR PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES JUST TO, TO LEAVE SOME EXPANSION BEYOND THE REQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY, IF THERE WAS EVER TO BE ADDITIONAL ROAD WIDENING AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THAT REQUIRED THE BUMP BACK OR BUMP UP OF THE FIRST LINE OF HOMES THERE, THE, UM, 15 THROUGH 25.
SO FUNCTIONALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S THE ONLY ENGINEERING ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS MADE.
UM, I'M GONNA BE CAREFUL HOW I COUCH THIS.
PENDOT DID NOT REQUEST, HAS THE BOARD REVIEWED THE LETTER, THE REVIEW LETTER FROM PENDOT THAT WAS DATED? UM, DO WATER? YES, PLEASE.
YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE HARD COPY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT.
THIS IS FROM AUGUST 18TH, 2022.
YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, UH, I ONLY HAVE ONE.
IT WAS A GIANT PASS BANNER PLAYING AND DESIGN.
UM, SO WHEN WE INITIALLY MADE A SUBMISSION, UH, TO PEN OUT IN A TOWNSHIP WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT, UM, WE RECEIVE REVIEW LETTERS FROM BOTH THE TOWNSHIPS, TRAFFIC CONSULT, MCMAHON, AS WELL AS PENDOT.
AND AS EVERYONE IS WELL AWARE, THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS OPTIONS ALTERNATIVES, UM, CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS INTERSECTION AS FAR AS A, A ROUNDABOUT, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WOULD TAKE A LARGE CHUNK OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT'S PROPERTY IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE, AS WELL AS REALIGNMENT OF THE INTERSECTION, SIGNALIZATION, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
WHAT PEN DOT'S REVIEW LETTER SAID WAS THE DEPARTMENT IS AWARE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
UM, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND PENDOT WITH RESPECT TO VARIOUS, UM, UH, POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS IN ITS INTERSECTION AND BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD PRECLUDE SOME OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES FROM BEING ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED IN THE FUTURE.
THE ROUNDABOUT, IF THE TOWNSHIP HAS SEEN THAT OPTION BEFORE, THAT ROUNDABOUT ESSENTIALLY TAKES ABOUT 60 TO 70% OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT.
UM, SO WHAT THE, WHAT PENDO REQUESTED THAT WE DO IS COORDINATE A MEETING BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND PENDA TO GO OVER THE DEVELOPMENT AND GO OVER WHAT COULD BE DONE THERE.
UM, AND WHAT WAS REASONABLE FROM A, FROM AN IMPROVEMENT PERSPECTIVE, KNOWING THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WOULD PRECLUDE A ROUNDABOUT OPTION OR PRECLUDE THE REALIGNMENT OPTION.
SO A MEETING WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 28TH.
UM, AS, AS LINDSEY HAS MENTIONED, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, AND THEN BASICALLY LEFT THAT CALL, LEFT THAT MEETING WITH A GAME PLAN, SO TO SPEAK, AS TO, UH, WHAT WE'VE LOOK AT AND WHAT WE WERE PROVIDE.
THE PLAN THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN NOW, AND THE PLAN THAT LINDSAY HANDED UP IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, A DEPICTION OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, WHICH WAS SOME WIDENING ALONG THE CORNER THERE, UM, AND TO PROVIDE MORE OF A CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN TO KIND OF MORE FORMALIZE THAT INTERSECTION.
THE OTHER THING THAT PENDO HAD ASKED FOR IN THEIR REVIEW LETTER WAS TO DISCUSS, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF ELIMINATING THAT CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN THAT COMES OUT OF ORCHARD COURT, UH, TO ELIMINATE THAT, JUST GET IT OUTTA
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THE INTERSECTION, AND THEN THEREFORE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SEPARATION, UH, BETWEEN ORCHARD COURT IN THE, UH, NORTHERN LEG OF SOUTH LOUIS ROAD.UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FROM THE TOWNSHIP, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAD BEEN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE ORCHARD COURT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE TOO, UM, THRILLED ABOUT THE LOSS OF THAT CHANNELIZED, RIGHT? UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT IS THE PLAN, WHICH IS A RESULT OF THE COORDINATION, UH, WITH PEN OF WHERE I GOING OFF THERE.
UM, WHERE DO THINGS STAND IN TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT? IS THERE AN AGREEMENT, THE THIS PLAN WAS THERE, WAS THERE DISCUSSION DURING THAT MEETING ABOUT COST SHARING AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR WHAT, HOW IF, HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO BE BEING, WHAT YOU COULD HOLD UP AND SAY, HERE'S AN AGREEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UH, MIGHT LEAVE THAT TO LINDSEY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT PENDOT HAD MENTIONED IN THAT CALL WAS THEY FELT THAT ALL OF OUR, ALL OUR RESPONSIBILITY, ALL THE DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBILITY, WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THIS SKETCH AND TO PROVIDE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THIS IMPROVEMENT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THIS IS ULTIMATELY THE WAY THE TOWNSHIP WANTED TO GO.
SO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING PHYSICALLY PRECLUDING THIS IMPROVEMENT.
MAKE SURE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS AVAILABLE, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED.
THAT WAS THE DEPARTMENTS SUGGESTED, UM, UH, MITIGATION AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT.
AND, AND I HOPE MATT WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M, UM, MISSTATING IT, BUT MY RECOLLECTION ALSO IS THAT PENDOT, UM, WAS AWARE OF THE RETICENCE OF THE COMMUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD TO CHANGE ITS CHANNELIZATION, AND EXPRESSED AT THAT TIME THAT PENDOT IS NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS TO, IT DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF CONCERN FOR PENDOT WHERE THEY WOULD, UM, ENGAGE IN THOSE TYPES OF ACTIONS OR PROCEEDINGS.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO UNILATERALLY.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT, I WOULD NOTE FOR THE BOARD THAT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT UNDER ALDO, AND IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FROM PENDOT.
THIS IS A, A GOOD FAITH OFFER TO THE TOWNSHIP THAT, UM, WE UNDERSTAND AND WE'RE PROVIDING A COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, UM, IT, IT, IT BEHOOVES EVERYONE TO MAKE THIS A, UH, A BETTER SITUATION TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN.
YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, THE FULLY HALF THE, UH, SCHOOL POPULATION FOR SPRING FOUR TRAVELS THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION TWICE A DAY IN CARS AND BUSES.
SO IT'S, UH, DEFINITELY THE PRIMARY CONCERN OF THIS BOARD, HOW THIS TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT IS DONE.
NOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SKETCH AND IT APPEARS, UH, UNLESS I'M MISREADING THIS, THAT THE CURB LINE SHOWN ON THIS SKETCH ALREADY SEALS OFF THAT, THAT, UH, RAMP OUT OF ORCHARD COURT, THE ONE THAT THROWS PEOPLE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THAT INTERSECTION, THE WAY IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME BY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING THERE, THAT DARK LINE THAT RUNS RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT? IS THAT A CURB LINE? I DON'T KNOW WHICH LINE.
YEAH, THE ONE, THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE RIGHT OUT, THERE'S A DARK, DARK, THERE'S A DARK LINE DRAWN IN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, RIGHT OUT WEST OUT AREA.
NO, ALONG THE RIGHT OUT OF ORCHARD COURT.
IT SAYS LEFT ARROW SIGN RIGHT THERE, RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING OUT OR TO BE REMOVED.
SO I ACTUALLY HAVE, YES, IT SAYS TO BE REMOVED UNDERNEATH, SO THERE'S YES.
WHAT THAT DARK LINE IS, IS ESSENTIALLY A CURB LINE THAT GOES UP, WHICH ELIMINATES THE PROPOSED WRITE OUT.
IF I CAN, YOU
THIS POINT, JEFF, RIGHT THERE.
THIS VERB LINE, UH, LINDSEY MENTIONED COMBINATION.
UH, THEY WILL SUGGEST THAT THE DISCUSSION HELD AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, UH, WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UH, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED MY UNDERSTANDING, VERY WILLING, BUT WHO KNOWS, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD, UH, HOW THEY WOULD SEE IT TODAY.
BILL, CAN I, CAN I, UM, PLEASE JUST
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BRING UP A COUPLE THINGS.UM, SO I WAS ON, I WAS ON THE CALL TOO, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT AND UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MISSING FROM THE CALL I THOUGHT WAS, UH, FRAN HANEY WAS NOT ON THE CALL.
THERE WAS SOME, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK UNDER FRAN, FRAN'S, FRAN'S, A GUY IN CHARGE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO FRAN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, UM, ASPECT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO OR SUGGESTING BE DONE BY OTHERS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SETBACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I THINK WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT BE DONE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THE WIDEN ALONG THE FRONTAGE, ALONG THE RADIUS THERE, UM, THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT NOW WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT FUNCTION BETTER FOR THEIR TRAFFIC.
IT'S GONNA MAKE IT FUNCTION BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY'S TRAFFIC AT THEIR CORNER.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE FINAL DESIGN AND HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH PENDOT HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, UM, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE, HOW THE LAST CALL ENDED.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE BRING THIS BACK TO, BACK TO FRAN HANEY AT PENDOT, UM, HAVE THE APPLICANT AND, AND IN OUR OFFICE WORK WITH THEM TO, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE THE, WHAT THE FINAL INTERSECTION SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN PROCEED FROM THERE.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE SHOULD BE PROBABLY FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS INTERSECTION, UM, BUT WE'RE RESTRICTED BY WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THIS SITE.
SO I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCES MAY REQUIRE THAT THIS SITE WIDEN ALONG ITS FRONTAGES, YOU KNOW, UM, AND SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THEM TO WIDEN THE FULL LENGTH OF THEIR FRONTAGES BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION.
SO TO CONDENSE THAT INTO THE INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT BOTH A SAFE MOVEMENT FOR TRAFFIC, MORE EFFICIENT MOVEMENT FOR TRAFFIC, A POTENTIALLY MOVEMENT FOR THE PEDESTRIANS THAT WILL CROSS THAT INTERSECTION IS THE IMPORTANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
WOULD A STOP SIGN AT THE CORNER OF VAUGHN AND LEWIS COMING AWAY FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL RATHER THAN THAT BEING PEOPLE JUST COME THROUGH, CAN IT BE MADE A THREE OR FOUR WAY STOP? SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I SAW IN THE, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE COUNTY REVIEW OF THIS, WAS TO MAKE, CONSIDER MAKING THIS AN ALLWAY STOP INTERSECTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, MATT RECALLS SEEING THAT.
ALSO, WHEN WE DID THE EVALUATION SOME YEARS AGO, UM, OF WHAT THIS INTERSECTION SHOULD LOOK LIKE, WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE THINGS.
WE LOOKED AT MULTI-WAY STOP, WE LOOKED AT SIGNALIZATION THE WAY IT IS.
WE LOOKED AT SIGNALIZATION WITH SOME TURN LANES.
AND, UM, DURING THE PEAK TIMES, ESPECIALLY THE SCHOOL TIMES, IF YOU PUT A MULTIWAY STOP THERE, YOU THINK IT BACKS UP NOW, IT'S GONNA BACK UP A LONG, LONG WAYS.
UM, UH, SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE A TRADE OFF THERE IN, IN MY OPINION, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME PEAK HOUR CONGESTIONS.
UM, AND WHEN THERE'S NO TRAFFIC, I MEAN, JEFF GOES THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION ROUTINELY, HE KNOWS THERE'S PEAK HOUR, CONDENSED HOURS ARE WHEN THE SCHOOL'S MEETING THE COMMUTER TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA DEAL WITH LONG QUEUES OF TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD PROMOTED THE INTERSECTION RECONFIGURATION.
UM, MATT ALSO MADE MENTION OF, WE DID GO TO THE HOMEOWNERS SOME YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND WE, WE WERE DOING THEM IN PHASES, JUST, THIS IS JUST CLARIFICATION PURPOSES.
WHEN WE WENT OUT HERE, UM, INITIALLY WE LOOKED AT SHORT TERM SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE COMING DOWN AND THEY WERE NOT TAKING THE LEFT TURN.
THEY WERE ENDING UP INTO THE, THE BACKS OF THE TOWNHOUSES.
UM, SO WE ADDED SOME SPEEDS, STALKER BOARDS, WE ADDED SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, THINGS THAT WOULD SLOW THEM DOWN.
UM, WHEN WE WENT AND MET WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS AT THAT TIME.
AND THE REASON THEY, PART OF THE REASON THEY SAID NO IS WE SAID WE'D LIKE TO DO THIS NOW, HOWEVER, WE HAVE A GRANDER PLAN TO REALIGN THE INTERSECTION AND DO A ME A BIGGER IMPROVEMENT.
UM, WHICH HAD NOT, WHICH ENDED UP NOT COMING ABOUT WITH THIS PLAN.
SO THEY, PART OF THE REASON THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN THAT WAS THEY WANTED IT, BUT THEY ALSO KNEW THAT, UH, THE BIGGER IMPROVEMENT WAS COMING.
SO WHY GET RID OF IT NOW, LET'S USE IT UNTIL THAT BIGGER IMPROVEMENT COMES.
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IF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE APPROACHED THE COMMUNITY AGAIN, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO APPROACH THE COMMUNITY AGAIN, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.UM, DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON WHETHER OR NOT THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO HAVE HELPED? DO YOU HAVE ANY WAY OF BEING ABLE TO JUDGE THAT? WELL, I, I THINK THAT WE TALKED TO THE POLICE AND, AND LOOK AT THE SAFETY AND THE CRASHES AND THE SPEEDS, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY INCIDENTS IN THIS AREA, UM, MUCH LIKE I DID BEFORE THOSE WENT IN.
UH, IT'S NOT A TALK AT OUR, UH, USED TO BE A TALK AT THE MONTHLY STAFF CONSULTANTS MEETING ABOUT ISSUES AT THIS INTERSECTION THAT HASN'T COME UP.
BUT I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE TOWNSHIP STAFF AND THE POLICE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION CUZ I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING.
THIS DRAWING'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, UH, IT IS.
IT MAKES, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE CLEAR.
YOU CAN, AND AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE ELIMINATION OF THAT RAMP.
SEE, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT RAMP IS IT THROWS THE TRAFFIC RIGHT OUT INTO THE ROADWAY THERE AND IT'S, IT'S WAS BAD TO START WITH.
UM, AND I SEE YOU'VE ADDED A LITTLE ADDITIONAL AND, UH, CASEY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT THE WIDENING UP HERE BY WHERE THEIR PROPOSED ENTRANCE IS FOR THESE TOWN HOMES, UH, WE DIDN'T ASK 'EM TO GO TO THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU, YOU CAN WIDEN UP TO THE ULTIMATE RIGHT WAY ALONG THE FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.
BUT AROUND, I SEE AROUND THE TURN, WE'RE GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT EXTRA THERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SUGGESTING THEY COULD, THEY COULD PROVIDE THE WIDENING, UM, AND IT, IT'LL MAKE THE INTERSECTION FUNCTION.
SO IS THIS THE DRAWING THAT PENDOT HAS SEEN? HAVE THEY SEEN THIS ONE YET? NO, ACTUALLY WHAT WAS OCCURRING IS, DURING THE CONVERSATION, MATT WAS, WE WERE TALKING SKETCHING THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SCREEN AND KIND OF LOOKING AT IT, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE MADE VARIOUS, UH, SUGGESTIONS, WE WOULD SKETCH IT UP, SEE HOW IT LOOKED, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY A CLEANED UP VERSION OF WHAT WAS, UH, ULTIMATELY DISCUSSED ON THAT CALL.
WELL, I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO LEAPFROG UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND UH, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT WAS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE AND IT STILL IS.
UM, BEFORE YOU, WE GET, BEFORE WE GET TO FINAL APPROVAL, WE, YOU WILL HAVE TO GET YOUR HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT.
WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE PAID FOR WITHOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE TOWN HOMES CAN'T BE BUILT.
THEY ELIMINATE THE SIGHT LINE, WHAT'S ALREADY A DANGEROUS CURVE.
SO WE HAVE TO, THIS HAS TO BE SETTLED BY THE TIME WE GET THERE.
SO I DON'T, YEAH, AND JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS CHANGE THE SITE LINE PER SE, THE SITE DISTANCE.
WE MEET THOSE CRITERIA AND WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE CRITERIA IN ORDER FOR US TO OBTAIN EACH OF P PERMIT.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT, UM, VIEWPOINT IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HELD ON THE 28TH.
UM, THERE WAS A PEN OUT REPRESENTATIVE THERE.
HE MADE IT CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT HE WAS GOING TO REQUIRE OF US.
OBVIOUSLY IF CASEY WANTS US TO GO TO HIS BOSS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE MORE CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UM, BUT UM, BUT YES, WE HAVE TO OBTAIN HIGHWAY PERMIT OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, BASED ON THE ACCESS POINT IT'S PROPOSED.
BUT THAT, THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PENDOT PROCESSES AHEAD OF THE RECEIPT OF FINAL END DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AHEAD OF HAD A FINAL, EXCUSE ME, I HAD A PRELIMINARY, I HAD A FINAL.
IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE REQUIRED RIGHT DURING THE PROCESS.
SO THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT IN AND OUT THIS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S ONLY ONE ON SOUTH LEWIS ROAD THERE.
WHAT WE DID IS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WERE GONNA PUT AN ACCESS POINT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD SAW A PLAN, BUT AT ONE POINT THERE WAS AN ACCESS POINT ON EACH CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.
EACH FRONT, EACH ROAD, UH, THERE IS A, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS PROPOSED.
AND AT ONE POINT WE HAD, UH, TWO ACCESS POINTS KIND OF FURTHER AWAY, UH, AS FAR AS YOU CAN PLACE THEM BACK FROM THE INTERSECTION DIAGONALLY ACROSS THAT MIGHT HAVE PROMOTED SOME CUT THROUGH.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE, THIS IS NOT THE EASIEST INTERSECTION IN TERMS OF SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AND MAKING SURE THE DRIVEWAYS MEET THOSE SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME FIGURING OUT WHERE WAS THE BEST SPOT.
THE PLANE THAT YOU SEE IS ACTUALLY PENDOT SUGGESTED THAT WE REDUCE THE RADIUS SLIGHTLY EXIT OUR DRIVEWAYS.
SO WE COULD PUSH THE DRIVEWAY JUST 20 FEET FURTHER AWAY TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE SITE DISTANCE TO THE INTERSECTION, WHICH WAS AN ACCOMMODATION THAT THEY HAD SUGGESTED.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS JUST THAT SINGLE ACCESS FAR AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE, MAXIMIZING SITE DISTANCE, EMERGENCY ACCESS,
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UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE, I GUESS THE EAST LEG OF THE INTERSECTION, ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UM, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE.AND KEEP IN MIND, 25 TOWN UPS GENERATES ABOUT, YOU JUST HAD THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE P PEAK HOUR TRIPS GENERATES 14 P AND PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
YEAH, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR ME IS THERE SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS HERE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.
AND TO ME, TO ME, THE TRICKIEST PART OF THIS INTERSECTION IS COMING SOUTHEAST FROM THE SCHOOL AND FLYING AROUND THE CORNER AND IT DOESN'T RESOLVE THIS, THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
AND THE OTHER TRICKY PART IS ANYBODY COMING UP VAUGHN, WHICH I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NORTHEAST COMING UP, VAUGHN APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING THERE EITHER.
IN FACT, IT ALMOST, IT ALMOST MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT IN MY OPINION.
AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT, BUT IF I'M SITTING THERE MAKING A, TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OFF OF VAUGHN, I NOW HAVE TO SPAN, I HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THESE CARS ARE COMING AROUND TO THE RIGHT AND HOW DO I TIE MYSELF GOING THERE WITH SOMEBODY'S STOP.
I JUST DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE IMPROVEMENT OF WHAT I'M KIND OF GETTING AT
LIKE I SEE THAT ANYBODY COMING UP LEWIS AND TURNING TOWARDS THE SCHOOL, SCHOOL GETS TO FLOW THROUGH.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO STOP IF SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO GO STRAIGHT ON THEON.
AND I SEE THE IMPROVEMENT COMING OUTTA ORCHARD COURT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY FIX THE INTERSECTION.
WELL, ONE THING IN, IN WAY OF BACKGROUND, UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SOMEWHAT DRAMATIC CAR ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS.
IT HAD BEEN UNIDENTIFIED PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT WAS, THERE WERE A COUPLE CRASHES, UH, THERE, BUT AS FORMER CHIEF TOMY POINTED OUT, BOTH OF THEM INVOLVED VERY HIGH ALCOHOL LEVELS OF DRUNK DRIVERS WHO DROVE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HELPED BY ANY ANYTHING.
SO THIS REALLY WASN'T AS MUCH A SAFETY ISSUE AS IT WAS A TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUE.
I GUESS THE CHALLENGE IS I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL SOLUTION.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT FOR THIS INTERSECTION, I DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH THIS IS 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND THIS TOWNSHIP, THIS IS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS IN THIS INTERSECTION.
SO I DON'T, AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS PROCESS, SO I'M PEN DOTS INVOLVED AND THERE SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS.
THERE'S LIFE THAT CAN BE PUT IN.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR WILLINGNESS VERY MUCH TO, TO BE IN THIS CONVERSATION.
I JUST, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT FIXES ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IN FACT, IT MAKES IT HARDER TO TURN LEFT OFF OF VA LOAD OFF OF VAUGHN ROAD.
SO IF I COULD SAY THE OPTIONS, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FULL FIX ITS INTERSECTION, THEN I GUESS THIS, THE TOWNSHIP'S GOTTA BUY THIS PROPERTY ESSENTIALLY.
WELL, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT THAT'S THE ROUNDABOUT OPTION, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S A MORE TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION WHERE YOU'RE TAKING THIS ROAD LIKE THIS AND YOU RODE IN AS A T AND SIGNALIZING BEYOND THAT, YOU'RE NOT DOING TOO MUCH MORE TO THIS BASED ON THE RESIDENCE IN ORCHARD COURT, THE COMMERCIAL ON THIS CORNER, BLESS YOU.
AND THEN THIS PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED, I MEAN THE, THE PREDOMINANT MOVEMENTS OF THE RIGHTS AND THESE LEFTS, THOSE ARE THE MOVEMENTS.
SO PUTTING A SIGNAL IN THERE IS NOT GONNA HELP THAT HELP THOSE MOVEMENTS UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE PATTERN OF TRAFFIC, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A WHOLESALE CHANGE TO THIS ROAD NETWORK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FULLY FIX THIS INTERSECTION.
WHAT IT DOES THOUGH IS THIS TAKES THIS MANEUVER OUT OF THIS INTERSECTION.
THIS CREATES, SINCE THIS IS PREDOMINANT MOVEMENT, THIS LETS THESE TURN, THESE CARS CONTINUE TO MAKE A RIGHT AND NOT BE HELD UP BY ANYONE THAT WANTS TO GO STRAIGHT OVER TO VAUGHN.
IT BRINGS ORCHARD COURT OUT BEHIND THE STOP BAR WHERE IT WOULD BE HERE FOR VAUGHN ROAD.
AND THESE ARE THE PREDOMINANT MOVEMENTS, THE RIGHTS AND THE LESS SO MY OPINION WITHOUT A WHOLESALE CHANGE TO HERE, YOU'RE NOT FIXED FULLY FIXING THIS INTERSECTION.
SO JUST WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE FULL FIX AND IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE NUMBERS.
NO, I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DON'T, WE TRIED TO GET A, A GRANT FOR IT THAT WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE A SYMBOLIZED INTERSECTION, WHICH WAS THE FINAL DECISION, NOT THE ROUNDABOUT DECISION.
I, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD HAPPY IF IN THAT WERE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF RECOMMENDATION TO US AND SAY, THIS IS HOW YOU GUYS SHOULD HANDLE THIS SINCE IT'S THEIR ROAD.
AND I, AND I, AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS LETTER THAT YOU JUST GAVE ME, UM, AND I DON'T, I WAS GOING, I WAS LOOKING FOR IT IN MY PACKET HERE.
UM, AND IT SAYS UPON RESUBMISSION THE APPLICANTS ENGINEER SHOULD PUT TOGETHER A LETTER THAT DESCRIBES HOW EACH COMMENT IS ADDRESSED.
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I'M WONDERING, DON'T WE, WOULDN'T THAT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT FIRST, SO THE SEPTEMBER 28TH MEETING, WHAT YOU SEE ON HERE IS THE RESULT OF THAT DISCUSSION.THAT IS WHAT PENDOT SAID ON THIS.
SO EVERYTHING, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT PENDOT MADE ARE ALREADY ON THIS PAPER HERE.
ALL THE COMMENTS RELATING TO THE INTERSECTION GEOMETRY AND THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY ARE SHOWN ON THAT PLAN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LETTER THAT LINDSEY PROVIDED YOU, THE FIRST TWO COMMENTS ARE REALLY THE COMMENTS THAT RELATE TO THE INTERSECTION UNDER WHATEVER IT WAS, GENERAL OR UNDER TRANSPORTATION IMPACT STUDY.
THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES.
TALKED ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO AT THIS INTERSECTION AT SEPTEMBER 28TH.
MEETING WAS A RESULT OF THAT REVIEW LETTER AT THE MEETING THAT SHOWN ON THAT PLAN WAS A RESULT OF THE MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY CASEY WANTS TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION WITH KEN IN THAT REGARD.
UM, THAT WAS WHAT WAS SHOWN THAT SHOWN ON THE PLAN AS A RESULT OF THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT NOT WHO, BUT NOT WHO PAYS FOR WHAT.
AND THAT'S WHY LINDSEY AND I'VE HAD A SEPARATE, WHO PAYS FOR WHAT? IT'S JUST THAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY FELT TO BE ACCOMMODATED AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD AT THAT INTERSECTION IN THE PAST.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, IF I GO TO PEN, DO PEN THAT'S GONNA SAY, YEAH, WE PUT OUR BLESSING ON THIS.
IF YOU GO TO THE PENDOT REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS ON THE CALL YES.
THAT'S WHAT PENDOT SUGGESTED ON THE CALL.
I THINK I HAVE TO AGREE WITH KC TOO ON THIS.
IT'S LIKE, I THINK MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WHAT'S THE FRIEND WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO MATT'S POINT, I MEAN THERE WERE PENDOT REPRESENTATIVES ON THE CALL.
THERE'S PROBABLY LIKE FOUR OF 'EM AND I THINK ONE OF 'EM ACTUALLY SPOKE AND HE'S THE, FRAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE CALL WITH JOHN, RIGHT? THAT WAS ON THE CALL.
WAS IT JOHN OR SCOTT BURTON? YEAH, SCOTT BURTON THAT WAS ON THE CALL.
AND SCOTT BASICALLY SAID WHAT MATT TOLD YOU HE DID.
I MEAN, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, AND MATT SPENT THE TIME SKETCHING THIS UP AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE THING, BUT I, WHERE I DON'T THINK THAT WE GOT TO WITH THE BLESSING OF, OF HIS BOSS, WHICH IS FRAN, IS TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GO HERE? HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THAT LETTER ACTUALLY GONNA BE ADDRESSED? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA SUBMIT IN THE NEXT SUBMISSION? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD, I THINK THERE WAS SOME GRAY AREA THERE.
WELL, I I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT MR. HENEY WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE CALL, BUT IF HE DIDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT HE SENT IN HIS STEAD, I THINK HE WOULD'VE CANCELED OR POSTPONED THE MEETING IN LIEU OF WASTING 16 SOME ODD PEOPLE'S TIME.
UM, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THERE WAS FOLLOW UP DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN PENDOT REPRESENTATIVES AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANNA SPEAK WITH HIM, BUT I I, IT IS MY JOB TO ADVOCATE FOR MY CLIENT.
AND SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT PHONE CALL WAS TWO MONTHS AGO, LESS ONE WEEK.
AND SO IF THERE'S BEEN NO EFFORT TO COMMUNICATE WITH MR. HENEY IN THE MEANTIME, I'M RETICENT TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S LET THESE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT DISCUSSIONS SLOW DOWN THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE WITH SERIOUS TIMELINES, SERIOUS BUDGETARY ISSUES THAT I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE, UM, ON THIS PROJECT.
AND I WILL ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT WE VOLUNTARILY WAIVED, UH, MR. BRETON, WAS IT FIVE OR SIX MONTHS OF TIME ON THE PROCESSING OF THE SKETCH PLAN TO JUST SAY TO THE TOWNSHIP, YES, WE KNEW YOU WERE GATHERING INFORMATION, WE KNEW THAT MCMAHON WAS DEVELOPING PROPOSALS FOR THIS INTERSECTION AND THAT YOU NEEDED APPRAISALS AND WE WERE VERY PATIENT AND, UM, I MEAN I HOPE I'M REPRESENTING THAT CORRECTLY.
WE WERE STUCK WAITING FOR AN APPRAISAL.
YEAH, WE, I THINK, I THINK YOU'VE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS OPPOSITION FOR THE MOST PART TO YOUR PLAN.
I THINK WHAT WE OWE THE TOWNSHIP, WE OWE THE RESIDENTS IN THIS MUNICIPALITY IS, IS A SAFE INTERSECTION THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STUCK ON.
AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE, WE'RE GONNA DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE BEST POSSIBLE CONFIGURATION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SAFE FOR EVERYBODY GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
AND WE'RE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE WE'VE LOOKED INTO THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUR TIME AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING'S RIGHT.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I I DO THINK THAT THAT, THAT THIS DISCUSSION CAN EVOLVE AND PROGRESS BETWEEN PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL AND THE SUBMISSION OF FINAL PLAN APPLICATION.
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APPROPRIATE UNDER BOTH THE TOWNSHIP CELL THOUGH AND THE MUNICIPALITIES PLANNING CODE.I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE NOT EVEN ADDRESSING THE ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE, ARE WE REQUESTING ANY WAIVERS WHATSOEVER? A FEW, BUT LIKE NOTHING THAT, UM, THE TOWNSHIP'S ENGINEER HAS CITED ANY CONCERN REGARDING CORRECT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH UNDER THE LAW OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, WE AREN'T EVEN OBLIGATED TO EFFECTUATE OR COOPERATES.
AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO COOPERATE.
I BELIEVE THE, THE ACT 2 0 9 FEES THAT YOU WERE JUST, UM, SPEAKING ABOUT EARLIER ARE THE TOWNSHIP'S MECHANISM AND TOOL TO ADDRESS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OFFSITE.
UM, AND, AND SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, THE ONUS IS NOT ON US TO SOLVE THIS INTERSECTION.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE HERE, WE'RE DOING IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, CONSISTENT WITH NOTIONS OF FAIRNESS TO PENALIZE MY CLIENT FOR ITS WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE AND COOPERATE WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND HOLD UP OUR PLANS WHILE WE, YOU KNOW, DO SOME FINE TUNING.
JEFF, WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE, ON THE ENGINEER'S LETTERS? FOR THE REST OF THE PLAN, NOT, NOT THE ROADWAY, JUST THE PLAN ITSELF FOR THE HOMES AND THE, AND THE LOT AND HYDROLOGY AND ALL THAT.
I, I WOULD DEFER TO JEN AND TO CASEY ON WHERE THEY STAND WITH THEIR LETTERS.
I, I THINK, UM, THEY'VE BEEN ISSUED, THEY WERE ADDRESSED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS, OTHER THAN ISSUES WITH THIS CORNER.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MS. DON, THERE'S NO, YOU'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR MR. FI HERE.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT HE'S, THAT HE'S REPRESENTING THAT THERE ARE WAIVER REQUESTS AND THERE A WAIVER REQUEST.
DID YOU UPDATE YOUR, I I I ASKED THE CLIENT COMMISSION TO UPDATE YOUR WAIVER LETTER.
DID YOU UPDATE THE WAIVER LETTER? CORRECT? YEAH.
YOU HAD YOUR ORIGINAL LETTER SUBMITTED, BUT THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT ROAD WIDENING OR NOT ROAD WIDENING AND SIDEWALKS AND, OKAY.
SO WE ARE IN A HOLDING PATTERN.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF I HAD MISSED SOMETHING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.
UM, UM, THE, I, AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY'S LETTER AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR OUR ENGINEERS.
LETTERS HAVE BEEN ISSUED BASED ON THE PLAN.
SUBMITTED LETTERS HAVE NOT BEEN ISSUED BASED ON THE SKETCH PLAN OR THE, THE SKETCH THAT RESULTED FROM THE PENDOT MEETING OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT OR AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELL, HERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE COULD DO TONIGHT.
UM, ONE IS THAT WE COULD NOT CALL THE QUESTION AND THAT WOULD AVOID A NEGATIVE VOTE, WHICH I'M AFRAID YOU MIGHT GET FROM THIS BOARD IF WE TOOK ONE TONIGHT AND COME BACK.
AND I WOULD REALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF INDICATION FROM PENDOT.
LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE THAT YOU GAVE ME LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE WIDTH OF THIS INTERSECTION IN HERE.
IT GIVES A LOT MORE ROOM BETWEEN, WHAT IS THIS THING CALLED A PORK CHOP, I GUESS, UH, BETWEEN THE PORK CHOP AND, AND THE CURBING, UM, THAN, THAN WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE OTHER DRAWING AS THE OTHER DRAWING.
BOY, IT'S TIGHT COMING THROUGH THERE.
AND UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IT'S NOT JUST DRUNK DRIVERS RUNNING INTO THE BACK OF, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS THE TIGHTNESS OF THE CARS PASSING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION, MIRRORS BEING DAMAGED AND OTHER THINGS OVER TIME.
SO, OR WE COULD CALL THE QUESTION AND GET A NEGATIVE VOTE.
OR YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT GET PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIRECTION, I MEAN YOU WANT TO BE BEFORE THIS BOARD AND NOT BEFORE THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, UH, YOU MADE THAT CLEAR BEFORE THEN.
UH, IT'S MY, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT IF YOU DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN APPROVE THAT YOU TAKE NO ACTION TONIGHT WHILE YOU EXPLORE THESE THINGS.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE DETAILS BEFORE YOU APPROVE.
AND AS OF TONIGHT, I, I'M ASSUMING JEFF, THAT THEY, THEY HAVE THAT LUXURY BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE WITH TIME EXTENSIONS ON THE PLAN.
I, I HAVE THE ORIGINAL SIGN, I HAVE THE SIGNATURE ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPLICATION THAT THAT WAIVES THE CLOCK COMPLETELY.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TIME CLOCK RUNNING NOW THAT, SO TODAY YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT VOTE TONIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED AND THERE'S
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THINGS THAT YOU WANT ANSWERED, UM, IT COULD AFFECT THE DYNAMICS OF THE RELATIONSHIP MOVING FORWARD.UM, IT YOU, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COME BACK MULTIPLE TIMES PRIOR TO, UH, APPROVAL.
THAT'S JUST HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLY COMPLETELY WORKED OUT THE NUMBERS.
LINDSAY HAS SENT ME NUMBERS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT THE, WHO PAYS FOR WHAT.
UM, IT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND OF COURSE WE ARE WORKING OFF THEORETICALLY GRANTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL ON A TENTATIVE PLAN BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE NEW PRELIMINARY PLAN, WHICH WE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SAID YOU COULD PUT OFF THE FINAL.
UM, BUT, BUT EVEN JUST IN TERMS OF THE REACHING AN AGREEMENT ON THOSE NUMBERS AND IF YOU WANNA DO IT AND IF THERE'S A RESUBMISSION TO CLARIFY WHATEVER PEN DOT'S POSITION ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT MIGHT BE UNCLEAR.
OTHER, TO ME, THE ONLY THING THAT'S UNRESOLVED IS WHO PAYS FOR WHAT.
BUT, BUT, BUT THE, BUT, BUT IF THE BOARD IS NOT YET COMFORTABLE IN THOSE ISSUES, YOU DO HAVE THE LUXURY ON THE, UNDER THE TIME CLOCK OF TAKING NO ACTION TONIGHT.
I WOULD NOT, I COULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT YOU DENY THE PLAN.
THERE'S NO BASIS TO DENY THE PLAN.
AND I, AND I THINK JUST MR. GRACE, I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR THE OF WHAT YOU DO YOU HAVE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A WAIVER SIGN FOR THE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL APPLICATION, BUT I DIDN'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
WE DIDN'T SUBMIT A NEW PRELIMINARY PLAN, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
I MEAN, AT THE TIME OF THE SUBMISSION OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPLICATION, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF THAT
AND THEN I FEEL LIKE THINGS BECOME SOUR AND I DON'T WANT THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE TOWNSHIP WANTS THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT A THREAT, IT'S JUST A REALITY.
I I THINK THAT SOMETIMES, AND IT CAN BE EASY FOR BOARDS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS TO LOOK AT DEVELOPERS.
IT'S JUST, WE CAN HANDLE THAT.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK YOU NEED TO DO, WE GET A NEW 60 DAYS AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT.
WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROCESS ALREADY THAT I DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, I DON'T, AND, AND I THINK THAT WHAT IF THERE IS, IF THERE IS SOME HAPPY MEDIUM THAT YOU THINK IS VIABLE IN TERMS OF SAY, OKAY, PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS AND BEFORE THE SUBMISSION OF THE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL, WE WILL COORDINATE WITH THE TOWNSHIP, THE BOARD AND PENDOT TO DECIDE WHICH INTERSECTION INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION IS GONNA BE APPLICABLE UPON THE FINAL PLANS.
AND IF I MAY JUST ADD, I CAN APPRECIATE THERE MAY NOT BE SOME CLARITY.
I'M VERY CLEAR ON THE DISCUSSION.
I THINK CASEY HAD MENTIONED THAT WHAT I HAD SAID EARLIER WITH RESPECT TO THAT MEETING AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED THERE WAS ACCURATE.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CLARIFICATION WE'RE GONNA GET FROM PENDO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF THERE WERE TWEAKS TO THIS CONCEPT THAT'S SHOWN HERE, AND I'M TALKING TWEAKS BECAUSE THERE'S NO REALLY OTHER OPTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE INTERSECTION, UM, THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.
IF THERE ARE TWEAKS THAT'S COMMON, THAT'S COMMON PRACTICE THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME DURING THAT HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMANENT PROCESS.
WHEN YOU SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO PEN OUT A DESIGN OF IMPROVEMENTS.
AND USUALLY A LOT OF THE TIMES WE'RE NOT EVEN AS FAR ALONG AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S BEING DONE.
BUT WHEN YOU SUBMIT THOSE PLANS TO PEN OUT AND THE PROCESS CAN TAKE SIX TO NINE MONTHS BEFORE YOU OBTAIN YOUR HIGHWAY PERMIT, THERE ARE TWEAKS THAT OCCUR AND THAT LOOKS AT THE DESIGN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? MOVE THIS INLET HERE.
MAYBE MOVE THIS CURB LINE HERE, SHIFT THIS THERE, MOVE THIS STOP BAR HERE, MOVE A COUPLE TIMES.
THAT HAPPENS ALL THE THE TIME.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF US HAVING A PLAN HERE TODAY AND THAT PLAN LOOKING EXACTLY LIKE THAT, ONCE THE PERMIT IS ISSUED IS NOT VERY LIKELY.
THERE'S TWEAKS THAT OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT WHATEVER CLARIFICATION WE NEED FROM HIM, NOT GET ANYTHING HAITI INVOLVED, WHATEVER'S DONE HERE, PROBABLY NOT GONNA LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THIS, ON THIS, THIS, UH, SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT.
BUT I, I, I NEED YOU TO GO INTO THAT MEETING WITH PENDOT AND WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND I NEED CASEY TO COME BACK AND TELL ME THAT YES, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THE, THE RED AND YELLOW PLANT AND NOT THE BLACK AND WHITE PLANT.
BUT SO THE RED AND YELLOW PLANT ARE THE SAME.
THEY ARE JUST, ONE IS MORE COLORED AND ONE IS MORE ROPE.
THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE
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AS I SAID HERE BETWEEN THE PORK CHOP AND, AND THE CURB LINE THERE, THERE'S AT LEAST ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR FEET OF SPACE IN THERE.AND WE CAN CALL THAT A WASH CUZ WE'RE NOT REQUIRING YOU TO GO TO TOO OR ALTERNATE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE REST OF THE FRONT.
IN TERMS OF WHAT MR. HAMMOND SAID, AND I WOULD OBVIOUSLY ECHO IT, BUT IT, IT IS GONNA BE ONE OF THREE THINGS.
IT WILL BE THE ORIGINAL PLAN, IT WILL BE THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT WAS DE DEVISED IN CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN PENNDOT.
OR IT WILL BE A FULL ON CONDEMNATION IN WHICH, AT WHICH POINT WE, WE WON'T BE, WE WON'T BE TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES ANYMORE.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES IF THE TOWNSHIP WE'RE INCLINED TO DO SO.
UM, MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, BUT I THINK OTHER THAN THOSE THREE ALTERNATIVES, NONE OF WHICH ALTER TO ANY SUBSTANTIVE DEGREE.
THE ONSITE PROPOSAL, THE ONSITE IMPROVEMENT PROPOSAL COMING OUTTA THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS WAS ABOUT WHO'S PAYING FOR WHAT.
OKAY? THE PLAN, THE, THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAD THE INPUT OF YOUR OWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT'S OFFICE WAS ON THE CALL.
AND IF IT, THE, THE, THE LITTLE TWEAKS THAT HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY IN REVIEWING PLANS SUBSEQUENTLY WON'T MEANINGFULLY CHANGE THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND NO, THAT PLAN IS NOT THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
WE ALREADY TOOK A LOOK AT THE FINAL SOLUTION WHEN WE GOT THE APPRAISAL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, WHAT'S THE MOST WE CAN DO NOW, AND THEN WE HAVE A PLAN THAT CAME OUT OF A THREE-WAY MEETING WITH THE TOWNSHIP ON HERE'S THE BEST THING TO DO.
EVERYTHING LOOKED AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE AT THAT POINT.
NOT PERFECT AS GOOD AS AS POSSIBLE OTHER THAN WHO'S PAYING FOR WHAT.
AND LINDSAY AND I HAVE BEGUN A DISCUSSION BY EMAIL WHERE SHE HAS SENT ME NUMBERS THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH YET.
I THINK I JUST GOT THEM ON FRIDAY OR, UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT US TO TAKE THE EXTRA TIME TO FINALIZE THAT BEFORE BRANDING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL THAT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION TODAY, I'D LIKE SOMETHING PRETTY SOLID.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND TWEAKS OKAY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING PRETTY SOLID THAT PENDOT SAYS, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND, UH, HOW DO WE GET THAT CASE? IS THAT ANOTHER MEETING OR I ASSUME YOU CAN GET THE, THE CONFIRMATION FROM FRAN HANNY'S OFFICE IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME THAT LINDSAY AND I NEED TO WORK THROUGH NUMBERS SO THAT THOSE TWO THINGS COULD HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
I WOULD THINK WE COULD EVEN TURN IT AROUND.
DECEMBER'S NOT REALISTIC, I GUESS.
I DON'T EVEN, IT WAS OUR LAST MEETING.
NO, OUR, OUR FIRST, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON OUR SCHEDULES FOR NEXT YEAR YET, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE THE TUESDAY AFTER MARTIN LUTHER KING HOLIDAY.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE IN DECEMBER TO DO THE BUDGET, UH, ON THE FIFTH.
THAT WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, UM, BE TO A SPECIAL MEETING? THERE'S A BOARD MEETING IN DECEMBER AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE SCHEDULED.
WE HAVE AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR 12 TOO THAT WE COULD DO.
WELL, I MEAN IF, I MEAN YOU GUYS HAVE A PENDING SALE THAT, TO GET THIS OUT TO FLIP IT OR I MEAN WHAT'S, WELL IT'S, WHAT'S THE RUSH I GUESS IS MY POINT CUZ I, I WOULD THINK GETTING THIS RIGHT WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST AS WELL AS OURS.
SO THERE IS, I THINK IT'S PRECISELY MY POINT THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO RUSH AND, AND WE'VE BEEN INCREDIBLY PATIENT AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS THE BEST FOR THE TOWNSHIP, MY CLIENT AND THE COMMUNITY.
BUT YOU BEGIN TO REACH A CERTAIN POINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL AND THE ONLY ISSUE THAT IS, SEEMS TO BE THE STICKING POINT IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE AND ISN'T REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS A REQUIREMENT, IT IS ILLEGAL TO REQUIRE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACT 2 0 9.
WITH ONE EXCEPTION THOUGH, I DO HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT THE CASE LAW INTERPRETATION OF THE MPC IS THAT IMMEDIATELY CONTIGUOUS LAND NECESSARY FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS IS WHEN, IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF ONSITE IMPROVEMENT.
SO TO THE EXTENT OF YOUR CUT FOR YOUR OCCUPANCY PERMIT, TO THAT EXTENT WE ARE PROPERLY WOULD BE PROPERLY INCLUDED.
ALTHOUGH IN THIS CASE, BEING THAT IT'S A STATE ROAD
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THAT SORT OF TRUMPS THAT ANALYSIS.BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ENTIRELY OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE, THE AWAY FROM THE OPENING AWAY FROM THE HARMONY BETWEEN THE I I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU MR. ROSEMAN.
BUT I WILL NOTE THAT TO YOUR POINT IN TERMS OF NOTHING CAN HAPPEN WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENT H O P APPROVAL FROM PENDOT.
AND SO IT, IT WOULD NOT BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO FORGE AHEAD BEING IN CONFIDE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ADDRESSING WHAT PENDOT STATED IN ITS LETTER.
SO YEAH, I CAN I JUST ASK, SO THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS BE DIFFICULT ON THIS PROJECT.
WHAT'S PARAMOUNT TO ME IS THE SAFETY AND FUNCTION OF THE AREA.
AND I WOULD THINK FOR THE, YOUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA LIVE THERE, THEY'LL WANT THAT TOO.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY TO THE END POINT.
I MEAN, OUR REVIEW LETTER WAS WRITTEN IN AUGUST, IT'S NOW THREE MONTHS LATER.
AND SO WHEN I WORK ON A PROJECT OR REVIEW A PROJECT AND IT HAS ISSUES WITH IT, THERE'S TYPICALLY A SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN A THREE MONTH TIMEFRAME WHERE THERE'S A RESUBMISSION OR THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE COMMENTS.
WE, WE HAD A, WE HAD A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, SO NOW WE'RE TWO MONTHS SINCE THAT MEETING.
SO I THINK IF THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACK, A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GOTTEN WRITTEN MINUTES TO THAT MEETING THAT WE HELD IN SEPTEMBER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE TOOK THAT.
THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ON THE APPLICANT TO TAKE THAT AND PENDO WILL TELL YOU THAT.
I THINK MATT WOULD TELL YOU THAT PENDOT WOULD TELL YOU THAT, UH, WHEN THEY RESUBMIT, THIS ISN'T A HEAVY GENERATING, UH, SITE FOR TRAFFIC.
IT'S REALLY MORE WHERE IT IS AND, AND, AND HOW WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE, THE SAFETY AND FUNCTION OF THAT LOCATION.
AND IT'S NOT A MAJOR, UH, TO ME IT'S NOT A MAJOR THING THAT, THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR TO DO, BUT WE'VE GOT NOTHING, NO RESPONSE TO OUR TECHNICAL LETTER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER'S GOTTEN ONE TO THEIRS EITHER.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THREE MONTHS COMMENTS FROM THREE MONTHS AGO AND A MEETING THAT HAS NO MINUTES.
SO, SO CASEY, I CAN APPRECIATE YOU TELLING ME I'M NOT DOING MY JOB.
WELL, I DIDN'T TELL YOU YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB WELL.
YOU SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU WORK ON A JOB, YOU DON'T SPEND THREE MONTHS BEFORE YOU RESPOND TO REVIEW LETTERS.
WHAT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT DIRECTLY TO YOU, MATT.
WHO ELSE DO I'M I'M SAYING THAT IN GENERAL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL I WOULD SAY IS AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE WERE ISSUES IDENTIFI IN THE TOWNSHIP REVIEW LETTER, THE ISSUES IDENTIFIED IN THE PEN OUT REVIEW LETTER, THEY RELATED TO THIS INTERSECTION.
YOU SCHEDULED A MEETING, WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT WITH PEN DO AND WITH THE COUNCIL, WE HAD A DISCUSSION OF WHAT TO DO AT THE INTERSECTION.
WE SKETCH IT OUT DURING THE CALL MM-HMM.
WE ALL LEFT THAT CALL WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING OF THAT'S WHAT WILL BE DANTE INTERSECTION.
I I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT BACK BECAUSE THERE IS NO RESPONSE LETTER TO MR. MOORE'S COMMENTS TO MC MAN'S COMMENTS IS BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE RESPONSE, WE NEED TO GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE HAVE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BEFORE I CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP AND FORMALLY RESPOND TO PENDOT AND FORMALLY RESPOND TO MAKE MAN'S COMMENT.
I I, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THAT.
ANTHONY ALREADY STATED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THERE WAS, THAT THE, THAT THE SKETCH PROPERLY REFLECTED WHAT WAS DECIDED AND DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING.
THAT'S ONLY GONNA CHANGE THIS MUCH.
THERE'S, THIS IS ABOUT WHO'S PAYING, IT'S ABOUT WHO'S PAYING, AND I'M WORKING ON THAT AND I'M WORKING ON THAT.
AND IF YOU WANNA SEE THAT, THAT AS A, AS A AGREEMENT PRIOR TO GRANTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, THEN, THEN, THEN GO THAT ROUTE TONIGHT AND WE'LL DOT AS MANY EYES AS WE CAN BEFORE THEY COME BACK.
BUT I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT HUMAN NATURE BEING WHAT IT IS, AND I KNOW EVERYONE ON THIS PANEL CAN APPRECIATE THIS.
IF THAT IS THE, UM, BASIS FOR HOLDING THIS UP, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO HAVE THE TYPE OF COOPERATIVE DISCUSSION THAT MR. BRETON AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING.
IT JUST WILL, I DON'T THINK IT, IT, IT IS GONNA DO ANYONE ANY FAVORS.
IN FACT, I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD AND GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE.
IF THE PROJECT HAS PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL, THEN WE CAN GET THINGS ROLLING WITH THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
WE CAN ENGAGE IN TRUE APPLICATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH PENDOT THAT FORMALIZE THESE THINGS AND YOU CAN MAKE
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THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL CONDITIONED UPON THOSE ITEMS, THE CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS AND GOOD FAITH WITH MR. BRESNIK FOR, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTION APPROVALS.BUT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EASY TO, UM, FOR ME TO FINAGLE, UM, THE KIND OF DISCOURSE THAT I'VE HERE TO FOR HAD WITH YOUR SOLICITOR.
YOU'VE BEEN FABULOUS BY THE WAY.
IF, IF THERE'S ANY PERCEPTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNSHIP IS, IS, IS TRYING TO LEVERAGE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T MY CLIENT'S, UM, RESPONSIBILITY AND HOLDING PLAN APPROVAL UP IN THE AIR.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
COULD WE GET ALL THIS TOGETHER BY DECEMBER 5TH WE'RE MEETING? YEP.
THAT DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
WHAT? WELL, IT'S TWO WEEKS AWAY.
I MEAN, IS THAT, CAN WE COMPROMISE ON THAT TWO WEEKS? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE, LIKE THE WORLD'S GONNA END IN TWO WEEKS, I THINK.
RIGHT? I WOULD APPRECIATE A DECEMBER 5TH, UM, AUDIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MR. HAMMOND WILL BE ABLE TO BE THERE, BUT WE CAN GET EVERYTHING.
UM, ACTUALLY LEMME CHECK MY OWN SCHEDULE.
WE CAN GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER, UM, AND AT LEAST HAVE HIM APPROVE IT WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN TERMS OF WHATEVER, UM, MR. MOORE DISCUSSES WITH FRAN HANEY ASSUMING HE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTACT HIM WITHIN THE NEXT TWO, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS.
DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE? CASEY WITH THANKSGIVING? YEAH, FRAN UH, FRAN WITH WAS OFF TODAY AND I DUNNO IF HE WAS OFF ALL WEEK, BUT I, CELL PHONE AGAIN, I CAN RESOLVE THIS.
LET, LET'S, LET'S BRING YOU BACK ON THE FIFTH THEN.
AND, UH, LOOK AT YOUR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.
OKAY, THIS ONE THAT YOU HANDED ME, I, I COULD LIVE WITH THIS.
BUT I NEED PEN OUT TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY WILL ULTIMATELY ACCEPT.
AND, AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR IS, AND, AND IT CAN BE AN IMPROMPTU DISCUSSION AS LONG AS IT COMES THROUGH MY TRAFFIC ENGINEER OKAY.
AND, UH, AND, AND THEN I WILL BE READY.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES OR THE LOT.
I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA COMPLY, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A VERY SHORT LIST FOR ME CUZ YOU'RE DONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M, I'M
SO YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A VERY SHORT LIST OF, OF EXCEPTIONS AND, AND, AND, BUT, SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO.
UM, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE WANTS, UNLESS I, I'LL OFFER, SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
I JUST WANNA BE, UM, CLEAR ON THE RECORD OR, OR FROM MY OWN RECORD, UM, YOU SAID YOU WANTED IT TO COME THROUGH YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I MEAN, IS WOULD SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM MR. HANEY TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER BE SUFFICIENT? BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT BE HERDING CATS, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
UH, BUT CASEY NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
I MEAN MATT OUT IN THE PAST, SO HE'LL BE, HE'LL BE IN THAT CHAIR ON THE FIFTH AND, AND
I WANT TO GIVE HIM, I'M GONNA GIVE HIM THE YELLOW AND RED ONE CUZ THAT'S THE ONE I LIKE.
UH, WHAT I CAN DO IS IF, IF IT'S OKAY, I NEED, UH, A COPY OF PDF UP IN THE MORNING.
AND IF YOU CAN SORT THAT, THAT WAY AN ELECTRONIC COPY, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
AND I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET, WE GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW ON THAT, THEN THE FIFTH WON'T BE NOTHING BUT
UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY, I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO GO, WE CAN CERTAINLY INITIATE THAT CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS RAISED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
AGAIN, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT HADN'T HAPPENED IN A LONG TIME, BUT THEY SHOULD CERTAINLY.
NO, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS SINCE I, I THINK WE REACHED OUT WITH A SURVEY TO SEE IF THEY WERE WILLING TO CLOSE THAT INTERSECTION TO CLOSE THAT LEG OF IT AND, AND IT CAME BACK AS A RESOUNDING NO.
WE DID HAVE THE, UH, HOA ASKED THE QUESTION, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS A SURVEY, AN OFFICIAL TOWNSHIP SURVEY OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO REACH OUT AND DO INSTEAD OF A MEETING WITH THEM, WE CAN YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD.
I MEAN, I, I, MY, MY TIME HERE HAS BEEN SHORT LIVED AND THIS INTERSECTION IS PROBABLY A TOP FIVE
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ISSUE THAT COMES UP.OUR RESIDENTS ARE CONCERN CONCERNED, ACCOMPLISH THAT THE NEXT 10 DAYS WE SHOULD AT LEAST REACH OUT TO 'EM TO LET THEM KNOW TO COME INTO THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS WE GET REALLY FAR AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE, THE COURT PEOPLE COME, CAN I CLARIFY YOU, ME THROUGH THE HOA OR DO YOU WANT ME TO REACH OUT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS, REACH OUT TO H HOA RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU? YEAH, THE HOA CAN MAKE A DECISION RIGHT.
TO CLOSE THAT RAMP AND, AND IF THEY DON'T, WE HAVE A REMEDY, RIGHT? WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, EMINENT DOMAIN THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND CLOSE IT OURSELVES.
SO IS WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO DO THAT, RIGHT.
TO MAKE THAT A SAFER INTERSECTION.
UM, BUT AS, AS A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS YOU WANT THE HOAS I BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE HOA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I WANNA GIVE THEM MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT THERE'S A SOLUTION BEYOND THEIR COOPERATION.
I JUST DON'T, MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK THE HOA IS A COMPANY THAT RUNS IT FOR THEM.
LET'S REACH OUT TO THE INDIVIDUALS THERE WAY TO CONTACT EACH.
I HAVE A FEW, I HAVE A FEW CONTACTS THERE I CAN WELL, YEAH, BUT IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE A FEW, I HAVE TO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY.
AND SO I HAVE, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE REACHING OUT TO ONE OR TWO, I HAVE TO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY, WHETHER THAT'S THE HOA OR NOT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY.
OH, REALLY? THEN WE'LL, WE'LL PUT A LETTER TOGETHER AND MAIL IT TO EVERYBODY IN THE, IN THE COMPLEX.
MOST LIKELY THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY COULD HANDLE THE ADMINISTRATIVE.
BUT I THINK I, I THINK AND THAT'S, I THAT I SAID THAT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY WILL REPRESENT ONE THING AND THE RESIDENTS WOULD REPRESENT SOMETHING ELSE.
I DON'T KNOW THE BEST COURSE, COURSE OF ACTION THERE.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THAT COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE BEFORE IT GETS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
CAN I CLARIFY THOUGH, THAT THAT IS A, A, A SEPARATE ACTION ITEM THAT THE, THAT THE BOARD IS REQUESTING FROM MR. GRACE AS OPPOSED TO YES.
WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN ON THE FIFTH.
WANT ME DO THAT? NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT OUR, THE ROADWAY IS, ARE
[NEW BUSINESS]
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE ON NEW BUSINESS.UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 42 AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR A PA SMALL WATER AND SEWER GRANT PROGRAM FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SANITARY SEWER PROJECT.
UH, I SAW A PRESS RELEASE FROM THE, UM, COMMONWEALTH FINANCING AUTHORITY WITH VARIOUS GRAIN APPLICATIONS THAT WERE BEING MADE AVAILABLE SINCE, UH, WE HAD OUR PUBLIC WORKS WORKSHOP MEETING FOR THE BUDGET.
UH, THIS ONE CAUGHT MY EYE AS A PROJECT THAT WE, THE BOARD INTENDS TO DO ANYWAY NEXT YEAR.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, 80% OF THE BUDGET BEING PAID FOR BY THE CFA IS BETTER THAN 80%, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT COMING OUT OF THE SANITARY SUR CAPITAL FUND.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A 15 OR 20% MATCH, AND THERE IS ONE MINOR CORRECTION TO THE RESOLUTION.
INSTEAD OF $344,129, IT'S THREE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED FORTY FOUR THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS.
AND ARE WE PREPARING THAT GRANT APPLICATION OURSELVES OR, UH, GILMORE IS GILMORE.
JEN'S OFFICE IS, AND IT'S DUE ON THE 21ST OF DECEMBER, I THINK.
WHAT'S THE COST OF APPLYING? NOTHING.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT.
I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE CHARGE OF IT SINCE IT'S DOWN THE STREET FROM ME.
I MAY, UH, MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 42 AUTHORIZING THIS SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR PENNSYLVANIA'S SMALL WATER AND SEWER GRANT FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SANITARY SEWER PROJECT.
I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 42 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR A PA SMALL WATER AND SEWER GRANT FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SANITARY SEWER PROJECT.
AND ITEM 16, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 43 GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE THREE LOT SUBDIVISION AT ONE 11 LINFIELD TRAP
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ROAD.MY NAME IS, UH, CHUCK DOBSON WITH INLAND DESIGN.
I'M THE, UH, THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT CHESCA REAL ESTATE.
UH, AND BRIAN C**N AND STEVE CLIFTON ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH ME.
WE WERE, UH, HERE LAST WEEK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
UH, IT IS THE, UH, SUBDIVISION OF A 2.11 ACRE LOT LOCATED ON LINFIELD TRAP ROAD.
UH, IT CONTAINS AN EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH WILL REMAIN, AND WE'RE GONNA SPIN OFF TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS.
ONE ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH ON THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAN, AND THEN ONE FLAG LOT TO THE REAR OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPOSED LOT.
UM, WE, UH, WE HAVE THE REVIEW LETTERS FROM GILMORE AND MCMAHON ASSOCIATES.
UH, OUR RESPONSE TO ALL OF THEM IS WE'LL COMPLY.
UH, AND WE ALSO HAD THREE WAIVER REQUESTS, WHICH ARE RELATED TO, UM, DOING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS OR ADDITIONAL WIDENING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG LINFIELD TRAP ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE WIDENING THE CART, UH, INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS AND INSTALLATION OF CURB EFFECTIVELY.
UH, AND THE REASON THAT WE ASKED FOR THOSE WAIVERS IS BECAUSE THE AREA SURROUNDING THIS SMALL PROPERTY DOESN'T JIVE WITH ANY OF THAT.
SO IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE THAT IN LIEU OF ACTUALLY DOING THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE G GRADING ALONG LINFIELD TRAP ROAD TO FACILITATE THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AT SUCH TIME THAT THE TOWNSHIP DEEMS THAT THEY'RE NECESSARY TO HAPPEN.
SO BASICALLY, WE'RE GONNA SET THE STAGE FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS TO HAPPEN, AND, UM, AND WHEN THEY GO IN, THEN THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY OR DOING ADDITIONAL WORK IN THAT REGARD.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UH, OTHERWISE WE'RE HOPEFULLY TO GET YOUR, UH, APPROVAL FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN SO WE CAN GET, UH, GIVE PEN OUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR RELATIVE TO OUR HP PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE TWO DRIVEWAYS AND FOR THE WA DEGRADING WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO ALONG LIN FIELD TRAP ROAD.
YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT? UH, NO.
JUST, JUST THE WIDENING ITSELF, BUT NO CONSTRUCTION OF ANY OF THE, UM, THE CART WAY OR THE SIDEWALKS, THE CURB.
I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PUT THERE? IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE JUST GONNA GRADE IT OUT AT ABOUT ONE AND A HALF PERCENT GRADE OUT TO, UM, THE LIMIT TO WHERE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD GO.
WE'RE GONNA SEAT IT AND STABILIZE IT AND LEAVE IT BE UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN.
THE TWO HOMES SHOWN ON YOUR PLAN, THEY ALREADY EXIST? UH, NO.
THE, THE ONE HOME AT THE TOP OF THE PLAN THAT EXISTS, THE TWO ADDITIONAL HOMES ARE PROPOSED.
THAT'S WHAT JOHN WAS ASKING, I BELIEVE.
THERE ARE, YEAH, WE INITIALLY, WE ACTUALLY DID APPROACH THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT SIMPLY DOING A TITLE SUBDIVISION ONLY, BUT IT WAS DETERMINED THAT FOR A VARIETY OF COORDINATION EFFORTS THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF KEEPING TRACK OF WHO AGREED TO DO WHAT THAT THEY ASKED US TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS, IS IT JUST TO MAKE THE SUBDIVISION OR IS IT INCLUDE THE, THESE TWO STRUCTURES? IT INCLUDES ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT INCLUDES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT INSTALLATION, UM, NOT THE STRUCTURES, THE GRADING.
WELL, THAT'S A PROPOSED WHEN THE LOTS ARE APPROVED, CERTAINLY, BUT YEAH, YOU'LL BE COMING BACK FOR THAT.
WELL, WHOEVER, EITHER ME, MY CLIENTS ARE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE OR SOMEONE ELSE, SOME OTHER BILL, THEY'LL COME BACK FOR THE APPROVAL TO WHAT, ONCE, ONCE THE SUBDIVISION HAPPENS AND GETS RECORDED, IT BECOMES LIKE A, LIKE ANY OTHER BUILDING LOT, THEY JUST COME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE THE OTHER GUYS SUCH A HARD TIME
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, AREN'T YOU HAVING INTERSECTION? I'M, I TOLD CHUCK WHEN I TO MEETING, I WAS LIKE, THIS MIGHT BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 43 GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE THREE LOT SUBDIVISION AT ONE 11 LINFIELD TRAP ROAD.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 43 GRANTING PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE THREE LOT SUBDIVISION AT ONE 11 LINFIELD TRAP ROAD.
UH, ONE MORE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM AS FAR AS THE, THE RESOLUTION.
WE NEED TO SEND A COPY OF THAT TO PENDO AS PART OF OUR OF P.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT IS? NOW, NOW? YEAH.
ITEM 17, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 44 DESIGNATING ASSISTANT TOWNSHIP MANAGER.
DID I, DO I EVER, AM I CLOSE? IS IT CLOSE? AM I CLOSE RIGHT? SORRY.
AS THE AGENT TO EXECUTE DOCUMENTS UNDER THE ROBERT T. STAFFORD DISASTER RELIEF EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE ACT, YET THIS IS UNRELATED TO ANYTHING THAT SUSAN SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT.
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OF THE NOT RELATED ANYWAY TO ANY OF THE FOUR BUYOUT PROGRAMS. THIS IS STRICTLY, UH, TO, UH, EXECUTE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SUBMISSIONS TO FEMA AND FEMA ON BEHALF OF THE TOWNSHIP TO SEEK REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXPENSES RELATED TO IDA.UM, FEMA IS OBLIGATED A $429,000 IN CHANGE IN, UH, EXPENSES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COBBLE TOGETHER.
AND THIS, UH, RESOLUTION ALLOWS ME TO ACT AS THE TOWNSHIP'S AGENT TO, UH, AFFECT THAT REIMBURSEMENT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION 20 20 22 DASH 44 DESIGNATING ASSISTANT TOWNSHIP MANAGER, BRIAN BOR BOR CHECK
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 44 DESIGNATING ASSISTANT TOWNSHIP MANAGER BRIAN B AS THE AGENT TO EXECUTE DOCUMENTS UNDER THE ROBERT T. STAFFORD DISASTER RELIEF EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE ACT.
ANY OPPOSED? SEE IF YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME TO ROBERT B. STAFFORD OR T STAFFORD.
THERE WAS A TYPO I CAUGHT IN ONE OF THE MINUTES WHERE YOU'RE LAST.
I HEARD YOUR KENAI PICKED THAT OUT.
YOU STILL WOULD'VE KNOWN WHO THEY MET? I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
UM, ALRIGHT.NOW WE'RE DOWN TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS, AND I THINK TIM WANTS TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE 2023 BUDGET CHECK.
THEN ON, BY THE WAY, IN THE OFFICE, WE CALL HIM D SQUARED.
UM, THIS IS JUST RE RE UH, REITERATES ALL THE CURRENT ADJUSTMENTS IN THE 20, UH, THREE BUDGET.
UH, RICHARD AND I STILL HAVE SOME CROSSWALKS.
UH, WE WANNA, WHENEVER YOU'RE DEALING WITH MULTIPLE SPREADSHEETS, UH, THE PROPENSITY OF, OF CERTAIN, UM, LINKED ERRORS HAPPEN.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST DOUBLE CHECKING THE MATH, BUT HERE'S WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
FROM A HIGH LEVEL STANDPOINT, WE, UM, UH, OPERATING BUDGET BETWEEN A GENERAL FUND AND SEWER ENTERPRISE FUND IS ABOUT 20, UH, 8.4 MILLION.
SOME SLIGHT LITTLE, UH, VARIATIONS FROM OUR LAST, UH, WORKSHOP.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TOTAL REDUCTION OF ABOUT 8.43% FROM THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET.
AND THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE DEFERMENT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS, A, A, A GOOD PORTION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, EXPANSION PROJECT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, UM, REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, FUEL TANK AND THE SALT SHED.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S RETAINED IN THE, UH, IN THE BUDGET.
UH, ALSO WE'RE, UH, ERRING, UH, TWO OF THE FIRE TRUCKS UNTIL WE GET A BETTER HANDLE ON SOME OF THE REGIONAL FIRE APPARATUS NEEDS.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, CONDUCTING A REGIONAL STUDY ON THAT.
AND IF YOU RECALL, THERE WERE THREE FUNDS THAT WE WERE USING ORIGINALLY TO BUDGET THE, UH, UH, THE EXPANSION PROJECT.
AND THAT CAME OUT OF THE, UH, CAPITAL FUND AND THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE FUND AND ALSO THE, UH, THE, UH, THE STORMWATER FUND.
AND SO THOSE HAVE ALSO BEEN, UM, REDUCED ACCORDINGLY.
AND WITH THE EXCEPTION, WE'VE, UH, PUT OUT A COUPLE OF, UH, THE DEFERRED, A COUPLE OF PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE PUTS AND TAKES, IT'S ABOUT, UH, WE'VE GONE FROM 62.6 DOWN TO $57.3 MILLION.
UM, THE LIONS SHARE OF THAT, IF YOU RECALL, ABOUT 30, 30% IS THE FEMA MITIGATION GRANTS.
HOPEFULLY, AS SUE SUSAN SAID, IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE'LL START MAKING HEADWAY ON THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, WE ARE DELAYING ANY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE, UH, STORMWATER FEE FOR, FOR A YEAR, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THE STORMWATER ASPECT OF THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S ALMOST, I'D SAY IT'S 99.5% THERE.
UH, BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER 5TH, UH, I'LL BE GETTING OUT A MORE, SOME MORE DETAILED SPREADSHEETS AND, UH, FOR, UH, FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON DECEMBER 5TH.
ANY QUESTIONS BETWEEN OUR THREE WORKSHOPS? WE, IT WAS A GOOD EIGHT OR NINE HOURS OF STAFF TIME AND BOARD TIME, SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMING OUT LISTENING TO EVERYBODY.
AND I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS COMING IN AND, AND GIVING US, UH, REPORTS ON THEIR VIEW OF THIS THING.
SO I THINK WE'RE PRETTY, PRETTY SATISFIED, PRETTY BUDGETED OUT AS THEY SAY
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THANKS, TIM.[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
RIGHT.NOW DOWN TO CONSULTANT REPORTS.
UH, ENGINEERING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES.
UM, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, CINDY RUN PAVINGS COMPLETE, STRIPINGS DONE OUT THERE, SO THAT LOOKS GOOD.
UH, WE DID SUBMIT THE GRANT APPLICATION WITH THE REGIONAL TRAILS PROGRAM, AND TONIGHT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE GREEN STORM, OR I'M SORRY, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION.
I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY FOR BRIAN OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE.
THEY DUG A TRENCH FROM THE TRAIL HEAD UP TO THE FIREHOUSE OUT IN THE ROADWAY THERE.
IT'S ABOUT A FOOT WIDE AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN PAVED.
TWO BIG POTHOLES HAVE OPENED UP IN IT.
WHO, WHO DID THAT WORK AND WHEN ARE THEY COMING BACK TO THIS, UH, PICO'S CONTRACTOR? PICO'S, UH, GAS SERVICE CONTRACTOR DID THE WORK.
UM, I'M SURE PENDOT IS CHASING HIM TO COME BACK AND DO THE RESTORATION.
UM, I YOU HOPE IT HAPPENS BEFORE IT GETS TOO COLD THOUGH.
WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF IT BEING TOO COLD TO PAVE.
UM, I, I CAN MAKE AN INQUIRY WITH PENDOT AND SEE WHERE THAT STANDS.
AND CASEY, YOU'RE TALKING TO PENN DOT, THIS LOOKS LIKE HELL OUT HERE JUST DRIVING DOWN THERE TODAY.
UM, NOW WE'VE GOT SOME ESCROWS TO APPROVE EVERYTHING OKAY WITH THESE? YEAH.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION HERE IF I CAN.
UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MONTHLY ESCROW REVIEW LIST, WHICH CONSISTS OF ITEM A 1 45 HOPWOOD ROAD RELEASE NUMBER TWO FOR $9,337.
AND ITEM B OXFORD LEE, RELEASE NUMBER SEVEN IN THE AMOUNT OF A HUNDRED NINETY THREE, EIGHT HUNDRED AND NINETY $4 AND 45 CENTS.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
COMMENTS.THANK YOU FOR NOTICING ME THOUGH.
I KNEW YOU WERE TALKED OUT THOUGH.
I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY.
UH, THE BOOK I'M CURRENTLY READING IS AMERICAN RESISTORS BY DAVID ROTHKO PODCAST I'M RECOMMENDING ARE ULTRA WITH RACHEL MEADOW, MONSTERS IN THE MIRROR, WHICH IS A SUBSERIES UNDER STRAIGHT WHITE AMERICAN JESUS WITH BRAD ONISHI AND DANIEL DANIEL MILLER INVISIBILIA, WHICH IS, UM, DONE THROUGH NPR WITH KIA MIACCA AND YAWE SHAW.
AND I WANNA SHARE THE BLOGS THAT I FOLLOW.
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON, LETTERS FROM AN AMERICAN JOYCE WHITE VANCE AT CIVIL DISCOURSE, J KUO, K U O AT STATUS QUO.
UM, MAYBE HE PRONOUNCES IT J QUO, I'M NOT SURE.
UH, JIM WRIGHT AT STONE STATION AND JAMES MULHOLLAND, THAT NOTES TO MY WHITE SELF.
PLEASE ENJOY ALL OF THESE THINGS.
I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM ALL OF THESE BLOGS AND THESE PODCASTS THAT I LISTEN TO.
I PROBABLY WON'T TUNE INTO RACHEL MEADOWS
I I HAVE TWO COMMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM.
IT'S 100% BETTER THAN WHAT IT'S EVER BEEN.
IT'S LIKE I FINALLY LOOKING AT SOMEBODY HERE AND I DON'T HAVE TO READ THEIR LIPS.
UH, SECOND COMMENT IS, I'D LIKE TO WISH THE BOARD AND EVERYBODY OUT THERE, UH, HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
I WANTED TO SAY A QUICK SHOUT OUT.
WE'VE WORKED, DONE THESE WORKSHOPS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF.
IT'S REALLY WELL, WELL RUN THIS YEAR.
SECOND YOUR COMMENTS, PHIL, AND HOW, UM, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING NOT QUITE AS HAPPY AS HAPPY THANKSGIVING, UH, RECENTLY, AND IT WAS IN OUR FALL NEWSLETTER.
WE STARTED ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE PASSING SCHOOL BUSES THAT HAD THEIR STOP SIGN EXTENDED, WHICH MEANS THE DOORS OPEN AND CHILDREN ARE EXITING AND ENTERING THE BUS.
WE'VE HAD OVER 160 VIOLATIONS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF SCHOOL.
THAT'S PEOPLE RUNNING PAST THE SCHOOL BUSES.
WHEN THAT STOP SIGN IS EXTENDED AND THE RED LIGHTS
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ARE FLASHING, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE TAKE THE PICTURE.AND, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE IMPROVEMENT TO DO OUR ROADWAYS, BUT THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE WILL, WOULD, COULD DO A LOT TO, AND IT JUST TERRIFIES ME AS A GRANDFATHER WITH TWO GRANDCHILDREN IN THIS TOWNSHIP THAT PEOPLE DO NOT RESPECT THOSE RED LIGHTS ON THE BUS IS PLEASE START.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA ASK OUR CHIEF TO RUN THIS $300 A POP FOR THE VIOLATIONS UNTIL THEY START TO COME DOWN.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, I DON'T, I KNOW NOBODY THAT I'M SPEAKING TO IN THIS ROOM IS AN OFFENDER, I'M SURE, BUT, UH, I HOPE THAT FOLKS WILL, WILL PAY ATTENTION.
PERHAPS THAT $300 BILL IN THE MAIL WILL DO IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID IT, BILL, THAT WAS OVER 160 VIOLATIONS OVER, UNDER TWO MONTHS.
I KNOW IT'S FOUR TO FIVE VIOLATIONS PER DAY AS WELL.
IT'S INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING.
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RIGHT.I'LL, UH, LET ME RUN DOWN THE SCHEDULE HERE REAL QUICK.
UH, WE HAVE TWO BOARDS OF SUPERVISOR MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER, DECEMBER 5TH AND DECEMBER 12TH, BOTH REGULAR MEETINGS.
UM, THE FIFTH IS WHEN WE WILL PROBABLY ADOPT THE BUDGET.
AND IF WE HAVE NO BUSINESS ITEMS AT THAT TIME TO GO ON THE 12TH, THAT MEETING WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE CANCELED.
AND, UH, WE ALREADY KNOW WE HAVE ONE BUSINESS ITEM FOR THE FIFTH COMING BACK.
SO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULED DECEMBER 7TH AND PARKHOUSE WILL BE ON THAT, UH, AGENDA.
AND I HAVE NOT BEEN, YES, THEY ARE THERE ON IT.
I'D LOVE TO GET THAT EMAIL, BUT NO, I THINK THEY'RE STILL ON IT.
UH, JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S REALLY CLEAR ON THE WEBSITE THAT THIS IS PARKHOUSE NIGHT.
SO, UH, THEIR DECEMBER 21ST MEETING IS CANCELED, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL TO BE DETERMINED.
WE, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE OUR SCHEDULE FOR 2023.
SO PARKS AND RECREATION WILL MEET DECEMBER 14TH AT SIX.
MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY WILL MEET DECEMBER 1ST AT 7:00 PM AND THE ZONING HEARING MEETING SCHEDULE AS OF RIGHT NOW IS NOVEMBER 28TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND, UH, THEIR APPLICATION IS FOR, UH, KINGSTON ON AT 4 73 LOWER INDIAN HEAD ROAD.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.