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TOM WRIGHT HERE, BOB HEIST, NICOLE LADA, ROBERT GILLINGER A JPA JOE BRESIN ANTHONY VALENCIA.I'VE EXCUSED GILMORE ASSOCIATES FOR THE NIGHT AND JEFF GRACE FOR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
SO THAT'S LIKE, OH SECOND, IT, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT ON THE, IT SAYS APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD OF, AND IT SAYS INSERT, INSERT DATE.
THAT'S MY WAY OF, SINCE IT'S A TEMPLATE PUTTING THE DATE IN THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T PUT THE DATE IN THERE, SO
UH, SO TONIGHT WE'RE JUST GONNA HEAR KEY, WHICH IS A ZONING TEXT, AMENDMENT AND MAP AMENDMENT ON RIDGE PIKE
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON]
AND A FINAL PLAN FOR DMI EQUITIES.AS JEFF INDICATED, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OH, ED MULLEN FROM HAMBURG, RUBEN MULLEN MAXWELL AND LUPIN REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 1752 RIDGE PIKE.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A, UH, BOTH A EXCHANGE AND A REZONING OF A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THIS PROPERTY.
AND I ASKED JEFF TO DISTRIBUTE PICTURES SO EVERYBODY COULD SEE IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THOSE PICTURES, PARTICULARLY THE FIRST TWO AND NOTE, PARTICULARLY OUR NEIGHBORS BESIDE OUR PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS AN AREA THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT, NOT A, A DETRIMENT.
UH, ORIGINALLY THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY RANDY FRES AND WHAT HE DID WAS HE SOLD LANDSCAPE SUPPLIES, MULCH, CRUSHED STONE, CRUSHED, CONCRETE, SAND, TOP SOIL, AND OTHER AGGREGATES.
HE MAINTAINED LARGE STOCK PILES OF DIRT, MULCH CRUSHED, AND UNCRUSHED CONCRETE.
AND HE MADE PRECAST PRODUCTS SUCH AS CONCRETE BLOCKS, JERSEY BARRIERS.
HE ALSO HAD TOP SOIL SCREENER, A CRUSHER, A TUB GRINDER, A SHREDDER, ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, WHICH HE STORED.
HE RECYCLED TREE STUMPS AND CONCRETE, AND HE RENTED STORAGE SPACES AND PARKED TRAILERS ON PROPERTY.
THAT ONE WAS THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
THEN WHAT HAPPENED WAS MY CLIENT WANTED TO CLOSE THAT IN AND CONTINUE WITH THAT TYPE USE.
BUT WITH THE BUILDING, RATHER THAN HAVING IT OUTSIDE, WE WENT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND REQUESTED RELIEF, VARIOUS VARIANCES, AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, ONE MEMBER SAID, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
THIS IS REALLY A REZONING TYPE APPLICATION.
SO WE FILED AN APPEAL CAUSE WE THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT UNDER THE LAW, OBVIOUSLY TOWNSHIP AND SONY HERE.
SO WHAT WE DID WHILE WE WERE WAITING AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE STARTED UP THE OUTSIDE RECYCLING AGAIN, AND WE'RE STORING CRUSH CONCRETE TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE NEIGHBORS GOT VERY UPSET, CONTACTED THE TOWNSHIP, CONTACTED THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT CONTACTED D E P.
ALL OF WHOM SAID, WE ARE PERFECTLY WITH OUR RIGHTS TO DO THAT.
THAT THAT USE IS PERMITTED NEIGHBORS.
WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WE REMOVED THAT PILE THAT WAS THERE.
IT WAS CAUSING THE CONSTERNATION SINCE WE HAD APPLIED FOR THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AND REZONING.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REZONE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO NC AND ALLOW FOR AN TEXT AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS FOR SHOPS FOR BUILDERS, PLUMBERS, EXCUSE ME, ELECTRICIANS, OTHER CONTRACTORS, BECAUSE
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COMMERCIAL JUST WON'T WORK THERE.I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE AT ALL, IF YOU LOOK AT COMMERCIAL, IT'S GOTTA BE ALONG THE ROAD.
IT CAN'T BE PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROAD.
ONLY THE VERY FIRST STORE ANYBODY WOULD KNOW WAS THERE.
SO WE DID AGREE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE FACADE, UH, COMPARABLE TO OTHER USES UP THERE.
WE'VE AGREED THAT WE WILL HAVE A COMMERCIAL LOOKING FACADE FACING RIDGE PIKE.
WE ALSO HAVE AGREED AND HAVE PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE, THE R THREE BUFFER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH IS THE MOST STRINGENT BUFFER IN THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE.
WE ALSO HAVE AGREED TO HAVE NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OTHER THAN WHAT'S DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS LIKE A TWO, TWO WEEK MAXIMUM.
IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AND IT'S GONNA GO BACK OUT, WE GOTTA MOVE IT.
UM, PROBABLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS HAVE EGG GLE IN OUR, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, SHOW YOU WHAT WE THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO TO KEEP OUR USE FROM IMPOSING ON OUR NEIGHBORS, THE ED WANNA COME UP AND WHAT YOU GOT.
I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AT USELESS ENGINEERING.
UM, WE PREPARED THE PLAN THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN AS WELL AS THE, UM, RENDERED EXHIBITS THAT WILL SHOW UP.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, AND FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT NEED TO SEE THE SAME EXHIBITS ARE OVERALL ON THE BOARDS, UH, AT THE SIDE OF THE ROOM, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS EACH OF THE SURROUNDING ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND WHAT THEIR VIEW WOULD LOOK LIKE OUT OF SAY A SECOND STORY BEDROOM WINDOW, WHERE YOU EXPECT TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME.
YOU GET ELEVATED VIEW, YOU'LL SEE FARTHER.
EACH OF THESE EXHIBITS THAT YOU'LL SEE, UM, IN EACH ROW IS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY NUMBERED.
UH, ONE THROUGH 10, UM, WITH AN IDENTIFYING ADDRESS, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST ROW IS FOR 1 58 KLEIN ROAD.
UM, EACH SUCCESS OF ROW IS FOR A DIFFERENT ADDRESS.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IN EACH COLUMN IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THE VIEW TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY THAT THE LAST CONTRACTOR LEAVES THAT SITE.
SO WE'RE CALLING THAT DAY ONE.
WHAT WOULD THE VIEW OUT OF THE SECOND STORY, THE 1 58 CLIENT ROAD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT DAY, UM, THEN THE NEXT VIEW TO THE RIGHT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE FUTURE VIEW.
WHEN THE PLANTS HAVE MATURED, WHEN, UM, LET'S TIME HAS PASSED, THINGS HAVE FILLED IN, UM, THE BUILDING'S NOW UNDER OPERATION.
THAT WOULD BE THE UPDATED VIEW.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN MOST CASES, IF NOT ALL ON DAY ONE, THERE'S VERY LITTLE ACTUAL VISIBLE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN SEE IN ANY OF THESE EXHIBITS ON, IN THE FUTURE VIEW, YOU SEE EVEN LESS AS THE LANDSCAPING HAS GROWN UP, THINGS HAVE FILLED IN, UM, AND TIME HAS PASSED.
UM, IN A NUMBER OF INSTANCES, THE BUILDING IS HARDLY, HARDLY VISIBLE AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A SHED, UM, FOR, UH, PROPERTY TWO AT 1 66 KLINE ROAD THAT WOULD BLOCK ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE UNDERNEATH, UH, ANY KIND OF VEGETATION COVERAGE, UM, WHETHER THERE'S EXISTING VEGETATION THAT REMAINS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THERE'S A VERY LIMITED VIEW OF THE BUILDING EVEN ON DAY ONE, MUCH LESS.
SO ONCE THE VEGETATION HAS MATURED, THAT'S AN EXISTING SHED ON THE 1 66, UH, UH, PROPERTY.
IF YOU CAN SEE, I, I KNOW IT'S A VERY SMALL VIEW.
UM, WE HAVE THE YELLOW CONE OF VISION ON THE FAR, RIGHT? YEAH, I SEE IT THERE, YOU MM-HMM
SO THERE'S ALREADY A SHED THERE'S FOR THAT ADDRESS IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF EXISTING VEGETATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT, THAT PERSON MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE WAS A BUILDING CONSTRUCTED AT ALL.
UM, IN GENERAL, THERE ARE OTHER, UM, SORT OF, THERE'S ANOTHER SHED ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, PROPERTY SIX, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, PROPERTY FIVE, UM, AND PROPERTY EIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE SORT OF THE FOREGROUND BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE BUILDINGS ALL IN THE EXISTING PROPERTY, WHAT WE'VE SHOWN.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO POINT IT OUT, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE POINT, UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE BUILDING WE'VE WE'VE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THESE EXHIBITS, COLORED THEM WITH A VERY NEUTRAL GRAY COLOR, WHICH WE COULD EXPECT THE BUILDING, UH, A VERY, AS A POTENTIAL
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COLOR FOR WHAT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY SEE.UM, JEFF, DO YOU HAVE FIVE AND SIX? OH, THERE'S THAT? THIS PAGE? YEP.
SO IN GENERAL, LIKE ED HAD SAID, WE HAVE OUR 25 FOOT TYPE THREE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, THE MOST STRINGENT, AS FAR AS THE VEGETATED COVER FOR BOTH DES DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN WE'VE INCORPORATED, UM, BEMS INTO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO, AGAIN, RAISE THAT VEGETATION TO BLOCK MORE OF THE VIEW OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE SITE, THERE ARE RETAINING WALLS.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, ON THE, ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THAT'LL AGAIN, ELEVATE THAT VIEW, UM, MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT OR TO EVEN NOTICE THAT ANYTHING'S HAPPENING THERE.
UM, IF WE ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SET OF EXHIBITS, WE'VE GOT, UM, A SIG, UH, A SET OF CROSS SECTIONS, UM, A THROUGH, UH, A THROUGH D AND AGAIN, THAT'S THERE TO DEMONSTRATE FROM A SIDE VIEW.
WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BETWEEN ANY OF THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORS HOUSES AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SECTION A, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE PEAK OF THE, UH, ROOF FOR 1 58 KLINE ROAD IS NOT ANY TALLER THAN THE PROPOSED BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE.
SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT EVEN THOUGH OUR SITE WILL BE ELEVATED A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT HIGHER, UM, DUE TO THE EXISTING GRADES, IT'S WE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS MONOLITHIC STRUCTURE, THAT'S GONNA RISE OUT OF TREES OR, OR DOMINATE THE LANDSCAPE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF EXISTING AND PROPOSED VEGETATION.
AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THESE SECTIONS ARE, ARE TAKEN IN A WAY TO, UM, SHOW SORT OF THE CROSS SECTIONAL REPRESENTATION OF THOSE RENDERED VIEWS, THE PERSPECTIVES THAT WE DEVELOPED.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE EXHIBITS THAT WE HOPE BEST ILLUSTRATES WHAT PEOPLE WILL BE SEEING, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR BACKYARD, FROM THE SECOND, FROM THEIR BEDROOM WINDOW, UM, WHICH WE FEEL AS, AS SHOWN HERE IS VERY LITTLE, UM, AND IN GENERAL, THAT'S THE EXHIBITS THAT WE WE'VE PREPARED AT THIS POINT.
SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF, UM, DES DECIDUOUS TREES AND EVERGREEN.
UM, I, I CAN'T SAY EXACTLY WHAT THE SPECIES OF THE EXISTING, THE PROPOSED WE'RE LOOKING AT AGAIN, A MIX THAT'S GONNA MEET THE CODE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE, WE, WE, HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF SPECIFIC, UH, SELECTION OF VEGETATION OF THE SPECIES, WHICH WILL HAPPEN IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GO FOR AS MUCH EVERGREEN AS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A SHADE, WHETHER IT'S A VITI OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, UM, THAT GROWS QUICKLY AND PROVIDES A VERY GOOD SCREEN, UH, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THE DES DECIDUOUS REQUIREMENTS OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH LOWER LEVEL SHRUBS THAT WILL PROVIDE A BREAK IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOLID GREEN WALL COLOR AND, AND OTHER OPTIONS.
ANY REASON QUESTION RIGHT THERE IS I BELIEVE IT'S A 70% EVERGREEN REQUIREMENT IN THE TYPE THREE BUFFER.
I, MIKE, THIS ADD TOO, THAT, UM, WE MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BERM.
SOME PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT IF THEY HAVE A RETAINING WALL AND A BERM, WHAT IF THEIR GRANDKIDS ARE WALKING IN THE BACKYARD AND FALL OVER? SO WE'RE PROPOSING A FENCE ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL.
THEY WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHTING AND WE AGREED THAT ALL LIGHTING WOULD BE DOWN LIGHTING ONTO OUR PROPERTY WITH NO GLARE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HAZARDOUS WASTE AND WE ASSURED THEM THERE'LL BE NO HAZARDOUS WASTE STORED THERE.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE THIS AS FRIENDLY TO THE NEIGHBORS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND HOW MANY NEIGHBORS DID YOU TALK TO? EH, WE TALKED TO EVERY SINGLE MAN.
EVERY ONE THAT HE HAS A PICTURE HERE.
PARDON ME? ALL THE ONES THAT HE HAS A, A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTIES, CHRIS.
CHRIS GAO WAS A PERSON WENT AROUND, TALKED TO HIM.
WHAT'S HIS NAME AGAIN?
UH, WE SPOKE TO EVERY NEIGHBOR THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT, OR EVEN PREPARING THE TEXT AMENDMENT, WE HAD POSITIVE, WE HAD NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF RUMORS THAT WERE GOING AROUND.
ONE NEIGHBOR IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, WAS DEFINITELY AGAINST IT.
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A NUMBER OF THE NEIGHBORS, BUT, UH, WHAT WAS HE SPECIFICALLY AGAINST? UH, AT ONE TIME BEFORE THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD, UH, TO KE UM, HE HAD ATTEMPTED TO BUY A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY TO EXTEND THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY, TO ADD ANOTHER GARAGE.THE GUY IS A, UH, A CAR COLLECTOR AND HE WANTED TO BUILD ANOTHER GARAGE AT THE BASE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH, UH, COVERAGE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PROPERTY TO DO THAT.
AND HE ATTEMPTED TO BUY A PIECE FROM THE PRIOR OWNER, UH, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
UM, HE'S, HE'S BEEN THE MOST VOCAL.
SO FEEL HE HAS A BAD TASTE BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
THE WHOLE PROJECT, HE HAS A BAD CUZ THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT SEVERAL TIMES.
HE HAD NO, NOTHING REALLY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU PLANNED FOR.
IT WAS MORE OF SOMETHING PRIOR TO NO, WHATEVER.
I, I KNOW SPECIFICALLY THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE BALL ROLLING? WHAT OTHER, OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER OBJECT OBJECTIONS HE MAY HAVE AT THIS POINT? UM, I BELIEVE HE WAS, UH, HE WAS REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL AT THE ZONING.
NO, NOT AT THE ZONING AFTER THE APPEAL WAS FILED IT WELL BEFORE THE APPEAL WAS FILED, HIS, HE DID GET AN ATTORNEY WHO ASKED HIS ZONING HEARING WERE TO OPEN UP THE HEARING AND THEY SAID, NO, HIS HEARING'S OVER.
SO HE DID INTERVENE IN THE APPEAL, BUT AGAIN, HE HAD NO SPECIFIC WHAT HIS OBJECTIONS WERE.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAD A SUBSEQUENT MEETING HERE IN THIS BUILDING WITH NEIGHBORS AND THEY DID NOT ALL SHOW UP.
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AND WE ALSO SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE WHEN THE FIRST ANSWER WAS NOTHING
AND THE SECOND ANSWER WAS A MEDICAL FACILITY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A MEDICAL FACILITY.
NO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T BUILD HOUSES THERE.
THERE'S REALLY LITTLE, YOU CAN DO ON A 250 FOOT, 1200 FOOT DEEP PIECE OF PROPERTY, RIGHT? NOT ENOUGH FRONTAGE.
ALSO THE, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T REALLY DO HIMSELF.
ANY FAVORS REGARDING THIS NEIGHBOR WERE PAST IT.
NOW WE HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE, BUT THEY, THEY STARTED PUTTING STORING MATERIALS ON THE PROPERTY.
IT IS IN SPOTS THAT THEY HADN'T IN THE PAST THEY'RE ALLOWED AND THEY GOT A FULL SIGN OFF FROM CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND DEP, BUT IT ALSO ADDED TO THE BAD FEELINGS.
THEY SAID IT WAS A SPIKE PILE AND WE JUST DID IT CUZ WE WERE UPSET, FRANKLY.
UH, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE PAID FOR THE PROPERTY, WE OWN IT.
WE'RE ENTITLED TO USE IT AS A RECYCLING FACILITY AND WE WANTED TO.
I, I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS, YOU MENTIONED A FEW OF THE CONCERNS, THE LIGHTING, UH, THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I JUST WONDER IF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WAS REALLY, UH, FERVENT ABOUT THIS, WHAT THEIR OBJECTIONS WERE, BUT THIS ONE SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOTHING, NO SPECIFIC.
WELL, I, I WILL SAY THERE WERE CONCERN ABOUT LANDSCAPERS HAVING PILES OF MULCH AND STONE THAT'S PROHIBITED IN THIS ORDINANCE.
AND WE LISTENED AND WE TRY TO ADJUST IT TO MAKE IT LIVABLE.
WERE, WERE THERE ANY, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT NOISE OR TRAFFIC AND IF SO, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU BUILD INTO THE PLANT TO ADDRESS THAT? NO, BASICALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE FEW.
IF ANY TRACTOR TRAILERS THERE, THESE ARE JUST GONNA BE CONTRACTOR STRUCK.
LIKE YOU SAY, AN ELECTRICIAN STRUCK, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA LOAD UP FROM THEIR WAREHOUSE.
THE FRONT PART WILL BE IN OFFICE.
THE BACK PART WILL BE STORAGE AND THEN THEY'LL BACK IN, THEY'LL GET THEIR EQUIPMENT FOR THE DAY AND THEY'LL GO OUT AND THEY'LL COME BACK AT NIGHT.
UH, MOST OF THEIR, MOST OF THESE TRUCKS GO HOME AT NIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WORKING FOR A PLUMBER AND HE THAT'S FIVE TRUCKS, THOSE FIVE TRUCKS AREN'T GONNA BE HERE.
SO, SO THE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY IS THAT YOU YOU'RE GOING TO RENT IT TO, TO CONTRACTORS, SMALL CONTRACTORS.
THEY CAN PUT A LITTLE BUILDING UP A SHED, WHATEVER THEY WANT FOR STORAGE, MAYBE AN OFFICE IF THEY WANT.
AND THEY CAN STORE SOME OF THEIR EQUIPMENT, SOME OF THEIR, UH, UH, PRODUCT EXACTLY, UH, IN THIS, IN THESE STORAGE UNITS.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY PLACES DO YOU PERCEIVE IF IT WAS FULL? WELL DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
WE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT TAKE TWO.
SO HOW MANY UNITS DO WE END UP HAVING 35, 35.
IF, IF NOBODY TAKES TWO, THERE'D BE 35 SEPARATE UNITS.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MARKET STUDY THAT A ZEL, DID HE POINTS OUT THAT THERE'S REALLY A NEED FOR THIS IN UPPER PROVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO SPECIFIC AREA WHERE YOU CAN DO THIS.
SO PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN STORAGE UNITS, THEY'RE DOING IT IN THEIR GARAGES AT HOME.
THEY'RE DOING AT DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND HE'S SAYING THAT FROM A MARKET POINT OF VIEW, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
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LOOK, LET'S SEE.UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU'RE THINKING BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING.
I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THIS TYPE OF SPACE IS NEEDED.
I DO A LOT OF WORK IN CHESTER COUNTY AND EVERYBODY'S CRYING FOR THIS TYPE OF SPACE, BUT JUST THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IT'S GOING TO CREATE.
SO PER UNIT, IF YOU'VE GOT BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT ON A DAILY BASIS, THAT COULD BE UP TO 140 DIFFERENT VEHICLES.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THE IMPACT ON RIDGE PLAY IS MINUSCULE.
UM, WHILE HERE AND YEAH, ANTHONY'S HERE.
WELL WE, SO THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION IS NEW TO US.
SO WE STILL HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, WE HADN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE, THE NUMBERS, BUT WE, UM, TODAY WE'VE BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH, UH, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UM, TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN, UH, ON SOME INFORMATION REGARDING OUR IDEAS FOR THE SCOPE OF THE ANALYSIS.
UM, SO I CAN'T COMMENT ON THE SPECIFICS YET, CUZ IT, QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE DETAILS, BUT WE, IN ESSENCE WE AGREE, UM, BASED ON WHAT'S PRESENTED THAT THE USE ISN'T HEAVY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVEN'T EVALUATED IT FULLY AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF, A LOT OF HUNDRED CARS AND REALIZE ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL USE UP THERE.
OUR USE WILL BE IN THE MORNING BEFORE THE COMMERCIAL OPENS AND, AND THE, WE WON'T BE THERE AT NIGHT WHEN THE COMMERCIAL'S OPEN AT 6, 7, 8, 9 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WE'LL BE THERE EARLIER, BEFORE THE COMMERCIAL AND THEN WE'LL BE THERE FOUR TO FIVE ISH.
SO IF IT, IF, IF I'M A CONTRACTOR AND I'M RUNNING THIS SPACE AND I'M AN ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR CAN GIVE YOUR EXAMPLE AND I'M DOING WORK FOR, AM I GONNA HAVE CUSTOMERS? MY CUSTOMERS COMING? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
MAYBE YOU'LL HAVE SOME, SOME OTHER TYPE PERSON IN THE, IN THE OFFICE AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR STORAGE OF WIRE AND BULBS AND WHATEVER IN THE BACK.
BUT NO SALES PRESENTATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, GOING ED, YOU SAID THERE WAS A CAVEAT TO THIS, UM, FOR STORAGE OUTSIDE OF THE DWELLING THAT THE PEOPLE ARE RENTING.
YOU'RE SAYING TWO WEEKS, I THINK.
I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.
IT SAYS THERE WILL BE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE OF INVENTORY TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, MACHINERY, OR SUPPLIES, INCLUDING MULCH AND OTHER LANDSCAPING SUPPLIES WITH PEOPLE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT REGISTERED INSPECTED, DRIVABLE EMPLOYEE AND COMPANY VEHICLES MAY BE PARKED OUTSIDE OVERNIGHT, BUT NO VEHICLE MAY BE STORED OUTSIDE WHEN IT IS INVENTORY OF THE BUSINESS THAT IS EITHER WAITING TO BE WORKED ON OR PICKED UP CASE.
WE HAD A MECHANIC, UH, AND IS WAITING CUSTOMER PICKUP, INVENTORY AND SUPPLIES THAT ARE PACKAGED WEATHERPROOF AND DO NOT INCLUDE LOOSE ITEMS SUCH AS MULCH STONES OR TOP SOIL MAY BE KEPT OUTSIDE FOR UP TO TWO WEEKS.
THAT'S LIKE IF A, AN H V A C GUY GETS A HUGE AIR CONDITION.
AND HE HAS TO BUILD UP TO IT WHERE HE IS.
HE HAS TO, IT SITS AIR TILL HE IS READY TO INSTALL IT.
SO THE OWNER'S GONNA ENFORCE THESE RULES.
WELL, AND JEFF DOESN'T WANT TO, BUT SURELY HE GOT, BUT I I'M LOOKING AT THINGS THAT THOSE RULES WILL BE IN OUR LEASES.
I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF RIGHT COMMERCE YOU'RE GONNA DO THERE WITH CONTRACTORS AND ALL, BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU GET THE BROKEN DOWN VEHICLE THAT STAYS ON THE PROPERTY FOR MONTHS.
THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN CUZ IT'S RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S USUALLY THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT FROM EVEN THE TENANTS, EVEN THE OTHER TENANTS.
WE COLLECTED ALL THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, EVEN THOUGH MOST OF 'EM WERE, I WOULDN'T SAY MOST OF 'EM WERE OPPOSED.
WE, WE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THIS ORDINANCE AND THAT'S THIS, THE VERY LANGUAGE THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WAS OUR, THE BIGGEST POINT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ED AND ME AND JEFF.
AND HALF OF THAT LANGUAGE IS FROM ME.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD BEEN INSISTING ON SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BROADER AND WE, JEFF WAS STICKING TO HIS GUNS ON NOT HAVING A SITUATION OUT THERE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF STUFF SITTING AROUND OUTSIDE.
SO WE THINK THAT LANGUAGE WILL DO THE BEST POSSIBLE JOB OF KEEPING IT TIDY OUT THERE.
AND HOW'S IT ENFORCED, BUT WELL, IT'S ENFORCED LIKE ANY ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU EITHER ON A COMPLAINT BASIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE TOWNSHIP'S POLICY IN TERMS OF, UH, FLOATING RANDOM INSPECTIONS, BUT USUALLY DRIVEN BY A COMPLAINT OR A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP THAT A CHANGE IN PERMITS.
IT, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE LEASING LANGUAGE.
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ABSOLUTELY.THAT ANY TENANT IS GOING TO KNOW THESE RULES RIGHT UP FRONT.
ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES.
I'M JUST NO AB NO, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN THERE AND THEN HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR.
WE'RE TRYING TO, TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WE'RE COMING, BUT THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY, POTENTIALLY WITH THAT BIG PILE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
AND JUST, AND ALSO JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT.
IT WAS ALREADY STATED ONCE, BUT KEEP IN MIND.
UM, WE'RE ALSO RESOLVING A LAWSUIT.
YOU KNOW, THE APPEAL IS PENDING.
I LIKE OUR CHANCES ON THE APPEAL, BUT EVERYBODY SAYS THAT WHEN THEY'RE ON APPEAL.
UM, SO I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE APPEAL, BUT YOU NEVER DO KNOW HOW THE COURT IS GOING TO RULE.
AND SO BOTH SIDES HAVE HEDGED THEIR BET SOMEWHAT.
AND COMING UP WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN NEITHER SIDE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT HAPPY, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD RESOLUTION MEANS BOTH SIDES GAVE A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT'S IS THE CASE HERE, BUT GOING, UH, BACK TO NICOLE'S COMMENT ON TRAFFIC, YOU MADE AN ASSERTION THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING IN EARLIER THAN THE OTHER TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
IS THAT ALSO GONNA BE IN LANGUAGE FOR LEASING AND ENFORCING? NO.
WHEN THEY'RE BRINGING IN, BECAUSE HOW DO YOU LOOK FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND, AND SAY BE ABLE TO STILL MAKE THAT ASSERTION? NO, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS SHOPPING, CENTER'S OPEN 10 O'CLOCK ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS, PLUMBERS.
DON'T WAIT TILL 10 O'CLOCK TO OPEN.
THEY OPEN AT SEVEN OR EIGHT O'CLOCK AND THEIR PEOPLE COME IN, GET THEIR STUFF AND THEY'RE GONE.
SO IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE USE.
WE'RE WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL 'EM WHEN TO OPEN OR CLOSE BECAUSE IT'S THE NATURE OF THEIR USE AND SHOPPING CENTERS RUN ON A DIFFERENT CLOCK THAN DO THIS TYPE.
THAT'S THIS TYPE USE, ANTHONY, WHAT IS, UH, IS, IS THERE A PLAN THAT YOU WILL BE REVIEWING THIS AND, AND GIVING US SOME FEEDBACK OR, YEAH, SO, SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PROVIDED WAS A TRIP GENERATION.
SO BASED ON A LAND USE AND IT, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOMETHING, UH, THIS SITE WOULD GENERATE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL DAY AND THEN IN THE MORNING AND THE PM, UH, THE ELEMENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED, WHICH WE COORDINATING, UM, WITH THE, THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS THE, THE TIMES OF DAY SOME ADDITIONAL COUNTS, UM, GA UH, SOME GAP INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, TURNING MOVEMENTS AT RIDGE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT GONNA BE A PROBLEM OR IS THERE SUFFICIENT GAPS TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN IS THAT INTERACTION? SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION FROM MED TODAY WOULD BE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE STUDY, YOU KNOW, DO THOSE PEAK HOURS WITH THE ANTICIPATED USE, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERACT WITH THE TRAFFIC ON, ON RIDGE.
SO IT SOUND OBVIOUSLY CONTRACTORS, LIKE ED SAID, WE AGREE WOULD BE EARLIER THAN YOUR TYPICAL, THAT MAKES SENSE AM OR PM COMMUTING TIME, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME SORT OF OVERLAP THERE.
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SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR WEEKS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN YES, GIVING US SOME FEEDBACK ON MM-HMM
IT, IT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE SCOPE WITH THE DEPARTMENT, NOT THE ORDINANCE.
I'M TALKING, WE'RE ONLY DOING TRAFFIC, BUT WHEN THEY GET TO THEIR DOWN THE LINE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE ANY NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
IS THERE ANYBODY, ANYBODY HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY? NO.
WELL THAT SAYS SOMETHING, I GUESS THEY'RE THEY EITHER ARE SATISFIED OR THEY DON'T CARE.
WELL, THEY'RE ALL WAITING TO COME TO THE SUPERVISORS MEETING.
WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THAT'S, WHERE I'D TAKE IT.
UH, UH, AND TO THAT POINT, I HAVE NOT MAILED NOTIFICATION OF THIS YET.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE TILL I THINK NEXT MONDAY TO MAIL OUT NOTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORS, THAT THERE WILL BE A HEARING.
THE HEARING IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS THE BOARD MEETING.
UM, I'M NOT MAILING IT OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GOT THROUGH TONIGHT.
I DON'T WANNA HAVE A MAILING OUT THERE SAYING IT'S A CERTAIN DATE.
AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, ED PULLS OFF THAT AGENDA.
SO THEY'LL GET NOTIFICATION THAT THERE'S A HEARING.
WELL, END OF THIS WEEK, FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN ED, WHO TOOK THESE PICTURES? WHO, WHO ARE THESE, YOUR PICTURES OR? I HONESTLY, THEY'RE NOT YOURS.
THEY'RE THEY'RE OURS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO TOOK THEM.
WELL, I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK MY CONCERN, LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ALL THESE DRUMS AND CHEMICALS ON THE PROPERTY? THAT'S NOT THERE NOW.
GAST TAKING ON THE PICTURES, BUT ANYTHING BAD, IT'S GONE.
SO NOT THAT YOU, I, I, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING IT, BUT I MEAN, IS, IS THE GROUND CONTAMINATED? DID SOMEBODY ONE POINT DUMP STUFF THERE? NO.
WELL, NOT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF BECAUSE WE DID DO A PHASE ONE WHEN, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I MEAN THIS ONE PICTURE HERE OF THIS, I MEAN, IT JUST, I HEAR IT LOOKS REALLY UGLY.
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BUT EVEN DO ANY FAVORS, WHOEVER TOOK THE PICTURES, THAT'S WHAT, SURE.THEY DIDN'T PICK THE GOOD SIDE.
WELL, NO, WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, LOOK, WHAT WAS THERE AND LOOK, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEANED UP TO THIS POINT.
FOR THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE, THE HAZARDOUS STUFF AND THE, ANYTHING THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM THAT'S GONE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS ON THE ABOVE WHERE THE, THE TOP OF THE PLAN, THE FRONT IS WHERE THE OFFICES ARE.
SO PEOPLE COME IN THERE PARK AND GO IN THE BOOKKEEPER, THE OWNER, WHATEVER.
AND THEN THEY COME AROUND TO THE BACK AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES IN LOO IF YOU TOOK TWO, THAT'S OUR INTENT, OKAY.
BUT, BUT SOMEBODY COULD TAKE TWO OR SOMEBODY WEIGH I WANTED TO, OR THREE, THEN TAKE IT.
BUT ALL THE OTHER RULES WOULD STILL APPLY.
WELL, THEY HAVE THE, THE PICTURES SO THAT IT'S, WOJAK, UH, TO THE BOTTOM AND IT'S, UH, FRETS TO ABOVE FRETS, PRETTY MUCH DOES WHAT THEIR SON DID.
UH, THEY, THEY GOT KIND OF A MESS THERE.
AND THEN WHATIN HAS ALL THE THINGS THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PILES OF ROCKS AND TOP SOIL AND MULCH AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
THEY'RE LANDSCAPER MM-HMM
ASSUMING CONTRACTORS ARE USING THIS AND TYPICALLY THEY COULD IN AS EARLY AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, OR EVEN EARLIER, SOMETIMES THEY'RE OUT AT THE JOB SITES AT SIX.
UM, AND CONSIDERATION GIVEN FOR NOISE.
WELL, GONNA BE COMING OUT ON RIDGE PIKE, FIGHTING TRAFFIC, THEY'RE GONNA HIT IT PRETTY HARD TO ESPECIALLY CROSSING THE LANES.
WELL, THERE'S PLENTY OF SIGHT DISTANCE FOR, FOR ONE THING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, SECONDLY, WHAT WILL, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IF THERE'S NOISE AND THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN WE'LL ADDRESS IT.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS GROUND IS GONNA BE DUG OUT.
SO THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE SUNK.
THERE'S GONNA BE A RETAINING WALL.
THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A FENCE WITH TREES.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY NOISE.
NO MORE NOISE THAN THEY PROBABLY GET FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER NEXT DOOR, RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, JOE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE? WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR, WELL, SO THIS IS PROPOSED AS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
AND IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, YOU WOULD BE, UH, PROPOSING, UH, YOU WOULD BE RECOMMENDING TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE ADOPTED.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANNA, EVERYBODY THOUGHT I'LL START THEN AND GUYS JUMP IN HERE.
WE THINK, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT EVERYTHING COVERED.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT IT COVERED PRETTY, PRETTY WELL.
UM, I, I DUNNO WHAT ELSE YOU COULD DO WITH THAT SITE, TO YOUR POINT.
IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO REALLY DEVELOP IN EXACTLY IN TERMS OF A SHOPPING AREA OR WHATEVER.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY, UH, DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH MOVE AS A RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UH, PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE HAS A COMMENT OR, OR DOES IT FEEL THAT'S CORRECT? I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE SIZE OF IT, BUT OTHER THAN DEFINITELY LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR, OR WHAT WAS OVER THERE WAS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, MAKE SOME, SOME, UH, UH, MOTION HERE TO ACCEPT THIS, TO, TO SEND IT TO THE SUPERVISORS AS, AS RECOMMENDED BY US AS WE RECOMMEND IT.
OR WE WOULD JUST PASS ON IT, JOE, AND SEND IT TO THE SUPERVISORS WITH NO RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION, FAVOR OF IT, RATHER THAN JUST PASSING, WHICH LEAVES THEM WITH LESS DIRECTION.
BUT IF THAT'S THE, I MEAN, I CAN'T, IF THAT'S HELP.
SO, SO WE GOT THREE OPTIONS, I GUESS, IS WHAT JOE'S SAYING.
WE COULD, WE COULD APPROVE IT, EXCEPT IT MOVE IT TO THE SUPERVISORS AS A, UH, AS A, UH, AS A IMPROVEMENT.
UH, WE COULD SAY, NO, WE DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD ONE.
RIGHT NOW WE NEED MORE STUDIES FROM
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ANTHONY, THINGS LIKE THAT.OR WE COULD, UH, AND I AGREE WITH JOE, I WOULD, THIS WOULD BE MY THIRD OPTION I WOULD THINK IS THAT WE DO NOTHING AND PASS IT OFF THE SUPERVISORS, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR JOB.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION IN ANY DIRECTION.
UM, IN FACT, DEFINITELY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S THERE.
UM, MY CONCERN IS IT'S A LITTLE LARGE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING.
CONTROL THE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
YOU KNOW, ME THAT SUITS A NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WELL, I, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT FOR SMALLER CONTEXT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE NICOLE SAYS THAT.
YOU KNOW, I'LL DIVERT TO HER EXPERIENCE ON THAT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S SAYING YES, THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE SEEN THAT.
SO AM I ALLOW TO MAKE A MOTION? JEFF? IS THAT TECHNICALLY YOU, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO BY ROBERT'S RULES, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU HAND THE GAVEL OVER TO YOUR VICE AND THEN MAKE THE MOTION.
I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE STANDING ON THAT MUCH CEREMONY AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION, I, AS LONG AS IT GETS VOTED ON BY EVERYBODY.
WELL THEN UNLESS YOU WANNA MAKE IT, I'LL MAKE IT.
I'LL TAKE YOU OUT FROM THE YEP.
FROM THE ROBERTS RULE, WHICH I NEVER HEARD OF TIL RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY GET COPY OF THAT ON
THIS FOR TOWNSHIP ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK IN WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT.
AND BY THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE WITH ANTHONY.
SO AT THIS POINT, MOTION THAT I HEARD ROBERT MAKE WAS THAT, UH, THAT WE, WE WILL RECOMMEND TO THE, UH, TO THE SUPERVISORS THAT WE THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND THAT WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THEY MOVE IT TO THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
DO I, IS EVERYBODY AGREE? DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? SAY I, I AYE.
WE BEAT YOU UP THERE A LITTLE BIT.
WE, YOU NEED IT AN EASY SUMMER.
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
SO WE HAD TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HARD TIME.
SO NOW THAT I'M HERE, I'M HERE FOR TWO.
SO, UH, THE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA MUST HAVE BEEN TOO EASY ON THAT.
ONE IS, UH, THE FINAL PLAN FOR DOMI EQUITIES.
NOW WE'VE, UH, AS MOST OF US KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS ONE FOR A WHILE, AND I GUESS WE'RE HERE FOR THE FINAL PLAN, CORRECT? I HAVE TOM NEWMAN AND KEVIN SAVAGE WITH ME FROM THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM MCMAHON SAYING THIS SATISFACTORY FOR APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM GILMORE SAYING THAT FINAL PLANS ARE ACCEPTABLE AND THERE'S ONLY DISCUSSION AS AN EASEMENT BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THE REMAX PROPERTY TO GET OUT TO THE DRIVEWAY.
AND MY CLIENT, I HAPPEN TO REPRESENT BOTH SIDES.
UM, I, I REPRESENT THE REMA GUY AND HE SAID, I'M NOT SIGN ANY EASEMENT UNTIL SETTLEMENT.
HE SAID, WELL, IF I GIVE HIM AN EASEMENT, THEY DON'T GO TO SETTLEMENT.
SO JOE CAME UP TODAY WITH THE SOLUTION AND THAT IS, WE WILL GET IT SIGNED AND WE'LL GIVE IT TO JOE TO HOLD.
AND IF IT DOESN'T SETTLE, HE'LL GIVE IT BACK TO ME AND THAT'LL SATISFY THE ENGINEER AND EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HAPPY.
SO, AND YOU HAVE SEEN THIS MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE, MAYBE NOT YOU MR. CROPPA BUT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SEEN IT THROUGH TENTATIVE PRELIMINARY.
WE WENT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, ET CETERA.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH IT, ANTHONY.
I KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT YOU SENT A LETTER HERE, BUT JUST, JUST VERBAL YOU'RE OKAY.
WITH ALL IT, NOTHING YOU'VE SEEN STRUCK YOU AS ANYTHING.
UH, WE, WE WORKED THROUGH ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEERING ISSUES.
WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL ITEMS IN THE BEGINNING WHEN IT FIRST CAME IN, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A SEC SECONDARY ACCESS AND ACCESS ON A COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE EMISSIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK THOSE OUT THROUGH RESPONSES
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PROVIDED, UH, THROUGH THE SUBMISSIONS AND REVISED, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES.SO I, UM, GOT US TO A PLACE INCLUDING ALL OF OUR ENGINEERING DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, RANKED CURB RAMPS AND SIDEWALKS AND THINGS.
SO WE, WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE THOSE, UH, ISSUES WERE ANSWERED TO OUR SATISFACTION, WHICH, UM, IS WHY WE WERE AT THE ACCEPTANCE LETTER.
SO ALL OF OUR ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE FEEL BEEN ADDRESSED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY WANT TO ADD? I CAN, UH, SUMMARIZE THE ENGINEER GENERALLY THE SAME WAY THEIR LETTER WAS CLEAN.
UM, ANY ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE ARE REALLY JUST ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, PRE-RECORDING DOCUMENTATION AND JUST SORT OF A CHECKLIST FOR ME TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE, THE RIGHT AGREEMENTS.
WHEN WE GO TO RECORD, THEY KIND OF HELP ME OUT WITH THAT.
SO THEIR LETTERS COMPLETELY CLEAN TOO.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS READY TO GO, AS IT POSSIBLY COULD BE TRYING TO REMEMBER, UH, GIL YOU, I KNOW YOU, YOU HAD SOME, I, I DID ABOUT THE, UH, DROPPING AND RIGHT.
UH, KIDS, THE KIDS, UH, AND THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO BACK UP.
AND, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS RESOLVED.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT APPROACHING, UH, GETTING ON AND OFF OF A COLLEGE ROAD AND THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AND WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
SO, UM, IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ED OR ANYBODY AJ, NOTHING, THEN I'LL HAVE TO I'LL UH, TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, UH, SEND THIS TO THE SUPERVISORS FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION, SEND THAT FORWARD.
SO I GOT A MOTION FROM ROBERT, UH, TO, UH, SEND THIS OFF FOR FINAL, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE SUPERVISORS AND I GUESS NEXT WEEK, JEFF, AND, UM, AND, UH, I'LL NEED A SECOND ON THAT SECOND.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FINAL BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? NO, NOTHING.
UH, THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION.
YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO USE THEM.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S IT RIGHT, JEFF, THAT IS IT FOR THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION]
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, TWO WEEKS, TWO WEEKS.WE HAVE THE SEPTEMBER 21ST AND THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, IF YOU LOOK AT THREE AND FOUR AMELIA STREET AND SOUTH LEWIS TOWN HOMES, THOSE ARE READY TO GO.
I THINK THE REVIEWS ARE EITHER IN OR BARRY, VERY CLOSE.
UM, SAME THING WITH 5 57 HOPWOOD ROAD, MINOR SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, FAIRLY EASY, FAIRLY CLEAN, NOT A LOT TO DISCUSS, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION.
UM, WE CAN EITHER DO THOSE ON THE 21ST AND THAT KNOCKS OUT A GOOD PORTION OF OUR, OF WHAT WE HAVE LINED UP.
OR WE CAN PUSH THAT TO THE FIFTH.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON A BOARD AGENDA.
SO IT, IT, IT'S NOT HINGED ON THAT AT ALL.
IF THEY'RE ON THE 21ST, THEY WOULDN'T GO TILL THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER ANYWAY.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, UH, WHAT DO YOU, UH, SUSPECT MIGHT BE ON THE AGENDA FOR OCTOBER? I, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
I GUESS WE COULD PROBABLY MAYBE GET A RESOLUTION TO SPRING FORWARD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE A MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT'S SORT OF BEEN KICKED AROUND BY THE ENGINEERS AND SOME TRAFFIC AND SOME FIRE ISSUES FOR ACCESS TO THE HOUSE.
UM, PARKHOUSE HAS REQUESTED TO BE ON AN AGENDA.
THEY, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE OCTOBER 16TH AGENDA, WHICH IS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH, WHICH KIND OF MESSES UP A LITTLE BIT.
CUZ WE ALWAYS GO TO THE FIRST MEETING AND NOT THE SECOND MEETING.
DID THEY WANT NOVEMBER JEFF? I'M SORRY.
I SAY 16TH OF YOU SAID OCTOBER TOO.
I WAS GONNA SAY, CUZ THERE IS NO 16TH, WELL HERE'S A 16TH, BUT IT'S NOT A WEDNESDAY.
THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE, ON THE NOVEMBER 16TH AGENDA.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR REQUEST.
AS LONG AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WILLING TO HAVE THAT MEETING, IT IS THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
UM, THEN WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE LINFIELD TRAP.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME ISSUES AND LOVER'S LANE THE REVIEWS FOR THAT YOU YOU'VE PROBABLY RECEIVED, BUT THEY'VE ASKED TO TALK TO STAFF FIRST CUZ THEY'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THAT THEY WANT TO GET RESOLVED A LITTLE BIT IN THERE.
SO THEY'RE OFF THE THEY'RE THEY'RE SORT OF OUT OF THE LOOP FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S HONESTLY, IF WE HAVE THE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED TO HAVE IN OCTOBER MEETING.
WELL HOW ABOUT THEN? WHAT DO I THINK? MOVING IT TO OC, JUST CANCELING THE SEPTEMBER 21ST MEETING AND UH, MAKING, UH, JUST MOVE IT TO OCTOBER 5TH,
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OCTOBER 5TH, OCTOBER 5TH.OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE IT AND SKIP OCTOBER, LIKE OCTOBER BETTER? YEP.
AJ, WHAT DO YOU FEEL? ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT OR IS THIS YES, PLEASE.
SO I NEED A MOTION FOR SOMEBODY TO CANCEL THE 21ST OF SEPTEMBER AND MOVE EVERYTHING TO THE FIFTH OF, UH, OCTOBER.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO CANCEL THIS.
EPTEMBER 21ST MEETING AND MOVE EVERYTHING TO YOU'RE ALWAYS ON THERE AS THE PERSON CANCELING MEETINGS.
SOMEBODY'S LOOKING 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
BOY, THAT LADY CAVE WITH A LOT OF MEETING, BUT I ALWAYS JUST SHOW UP ANYWAY.
OH, THAT'S IT ALL NEED THE SECOND ONE.
SO WE'LL MOVE THAT TO THE FIFTH, JEFF.
AND WE'LL CANCEL THE 21ST, EXCEPT WE DO HAVE OUR NEW, UH, ADVISORY, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY CONSULT MEETING THAT NIGHT.
YEAH, OUR REALLY OUR FIRST, OUR SECOND ONE, OUR FIRST FULL ONE.
SO WE'LL BE HERE, UH, GIL AND I ANYHOW.
YEAH, THAT MEETING STARTS AT SIX.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN THAT I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I THINK, UH, ADJOURN MEETING ALL.
SO I GOT TWO MOTIONS TO ADJOURN.
UH, AND UH, SO WE'RE IN A HURRY TONIGHT.