[CALL TO ORDER]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR SUPERVISORS FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 15TH, 2022.
PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
A CHANCE TO, UH, REVIEW THE AGENDA AND, UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE AUGUST 15TH, 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, REGULAR MEETING AGENDA OF SECOND THAT ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
THAT'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SOMETHING I WANT TO POINT OUT TONIGHT.THERE ARE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS EMBEDDED IN OUR MEETING TONIGHT, ONE FOR ORDINANCE 5 94 REGARDING WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS, ONE FOR ORDINANCE 5 95 REGARDING ZONING AND AMENDMENTS AND A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD DURING THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THERE WILL BE COMMENTS ASKED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. UH, IF ANYONE WANTS TO COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA OR ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE TOWNSHIP, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR STREET ADDRESS.
PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR REMARKS TO THE BOARD AND PLEASE TRY TO CONTAIN THEM TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, JOE PETERS, NINE DANA DRIVE.
UM, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE, UH, THE LATEST STATUS IS OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES FACILITY.
I'LL ANSWER THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON OPENING THE FACILITY ON AUGUST 27TH.
UH, WE WILL RESUME, UH, OPERATIONS OUT OF THAT BUILDING ON THAT DAY.
WE WILL HAVE, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WE WILL BE BEGINNING OUR 24 7, UM, FIRE PROTECTION TO THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A NEW AMBULANCE COMPANY THAT SERVES MOST OF THE TOWNSHIP, UH, FRIENDSHIP.
THERE'LL BE OPERATING OUT OF A FACILITY OFFICER AUGUST 27, AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING A RIBBON CUTTING AND, UH, PUBLIC TOURS ON, UH, AUGUST, OCTOBER 15TH, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY DAY.
AND THEN I'LL RENAME FALL FEST COMMUNITY DAY.
SO SEE THE BUILDING THAT'D BE UNDER WORK.
UH, BEN PADGETT 4 1 4 BROWER AVENUE, SIR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE SUPERVISORS, ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE WITH, UH, TRAFFIC ON BROWER AVENUE.
UM, A GROUP OF OAKS RESIDENTS GOT TOGETHER PROBABLY ABOUT A DECADE AGO AND WORKED SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND, UH, ALD AND A LOT OF VOLUNTARY, UM, SUPPORT IN FROM, UH, BUSINESSES AND, AND, UH, AND THE DEVELOPER.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO RE REDUCE SPEEDS AND HAVE SOME MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE PUT ON THE ROAD.
UM, OVER THE PAST PROBABLY YEAR, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN PRETTY BAD.
THERE'S BEEN, UH, DUMP TRUCKS THAT SPEED DOWN BROWER, UH, ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, UM, TRAFFIC LEAVING, COMING AND LEAVING THE PERKIOMEN TAVERN, UH, THAT DON'T ALWAYS OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT OR SOME OF THE VEHICLES MAKE A LOT OF NOISE AND THEY COME AND GO.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH OF INCREASED SEMI TRUCK TRAFFIC DOWN BROWER, AND THERE'S A CUTE LITTLE SIGN RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF EGYPT AND BROWER THAT SAYS NO TRUCKS.
THINK AGAIN, IT'S A MORE OF A RECOMMENDATION OR A REQUEST THAN A, THAN A REAL LAW, BUT IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE BUSINESSES THERE, BUT THERE'S KIDS AND PETS AND HUMANS MOWING LAWNS AND LOOKING FOR SOME HELP FROM THE SUPERVISORS TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY REQUEST IS, BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT HELP FROM THE TOWNSHIP BEFORE AND REQUESTING IT AGAIN.
YEAH, MY REQUEST ON THE TABLE.
DID ANYONE ELSE WHO LIKED MR. CHAIRMAN? IF I COULD JUST MAYBE COULD YOU STEP BACK FOR A MINUTE, PLEASE? I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY BUSINESS CARD.
IF YOU COULD JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH.
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CONCERNS.HEY, HOW ARE YOU GUYS? MY NAME IS TAMORA ALIAS, 1 62 KNOLL DRIVE.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I KNOW I ASKED HIM TO JEFFREY A. LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
HE WAS ABLE TO GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS BY ONE TO CONFIRM THE DEVELOPMENT 3 57 GREENWOOD, UM, WILL D UH, FOUR, NO DRIVE.
THERE'S LIKE A NICE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT BACK THERE RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT.
IS THERE STILL GOING TO BE A TREELINE PRESERVED BETWEEN THE ENDS OF THE HOMES OR THAT ALREADY THERE AND THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SORT OF BUILT OR IS IT JUST ALL GOING TO BE TORN DOWN ELIMINATING SORT OF THE GREEN SPACE OVER THERE? THERE IS A TREE PRESERVATION AND A LIMITED DISTURBANCE LINE BETWEEN THE ONCE.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DRIVE AND WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE HAPPENING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.
THERE'S A CREEK TREES ARE STAYING ALONG THE CREEK.
THERE'S A, UH, A DETENTION BASIN AND THEN THERE'S THE HOUSE.
SO THE PLAN IS, AND I'VE TALKED TO JUSTIN ABOUT THIS AND HE CAN ADDRESS IT WHEN HE'S, WHEN IT'S HIS TURN, BUT HE, UH, HE AGREES THAT THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE DOWN THE TREES BACK THERE AND DURING DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO OCCUR.
AND ONE OTHER QUESTION, TOO, I KNOW THAT ON THAT AREA, THERE'S LIKE A 250 YEAR OLD PLUS MANNER OF ABOUT NINE ACRES THAT IS GETTING CHOPPED UP TO MAKE ROOM FOR NEW HOMES OVER THERE TOO.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING AS A SORT OF, CAUSE I KNOW THAT HOME 3 57 GREENWOOD IS RECOGNIZED BY THE TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
IS THERE NO REAL WAY TO SAVE SOMETHING OLDER THAN BASICALLY THE, THE COUNTRY ITSELF IS BEING PRESERVED, BUT NOT THE MANOR ITSELF THOUGH.
LIKE THE MANOR IS 90, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU DO.
SO THE ENTIRE MANNER IS NINE ACRES BIG, RIGHT? THE HOUSE ITSELF MAY BE PRESERVED, BUT NOT THE ENTIRETY.
THE ENTIRE ANCHORAGE IS A 26 ACRES IS OVER 26 ACRES.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PROPERTY RIGHTS TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCES THAT LIMIT THAT NOR DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO BUY THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS FROM THEM.
WB BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM THEM, AGREED TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE AND DEVELOP THE HOUSE WITH THE 25 OTHER HOMES THAT ARE GOING THERE.
I HEAR JUST THE QUESTION FOR THE SAKE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF THAT AREA.
ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? PLEASURE TO SPEAK WITH YOU AGAIN.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT UNDER THREE MINUTES CLOSER TO, TO, UH, I DID A LOT MORE RESEARCH ON, OH, THANK YOU.
SORRY, ALEX MOCKED 9 6 1 4 PROVIDENCE ROAD.
UM, I LOOKED FURTHER INTO THE, UH, HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES THAT TRUE GREEN HAS BEEN USING ON THE LANDS HERE AND ACTUALLY WAS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE EVERYTHING TRIES TO GET YOU TO BUY IT.
UM, AND IRONICALLY, IF YOU TYPE IN LIKE DIFFERENT SEARCHES ABOUT HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES, IN TERMS OF HOW TO, UH, STOP USING THEM, PREVENT USING THEM HARMFUL HARMS THAT THEY MAY CAUSE THEY TAKE YOU RIGHT TO TRUE GREEN.
SO I CALLED THEM AGAIN TODAY AND I LEARNED FROM THEM THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY CUT THE GRASS.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO THAT WHO CUTS THE GRASS.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE THEM KIND OF CARE FOR YOUR LAWNS.
CAUSE I NOTICED, UH, THE LAST, LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS HERE, I WAS WALKING AROUND THIS GORGEOUS PARK.
UM, AND UH, YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED A LOT OF THE GRASS IS TURNING KIND OF BROWN AND SURE THERE'S BEEN SOME DROUGHTED, BUT IT'S NOT TURNING BROWN IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE GRASS ABSORBS A LOT OF WATER, A LOT MORE THAN THE NATIVE PLANTS THAT SHOULD BE GROWING THERE.
AND THOSE NATIVE PLANTS HAVE LARGE ROOT STRUCTURES THAT MAINTAIN THE SOIL HEALTH AND ALSO RETAIN WATER
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TO HELP THAT WATER STAY IN OUR SOIL FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME DURING THESE TIMES OF DROUGHT.UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO KEEP FILLING YOU GUYS IN ON LITTLE BITS OF RESEARCH THAT I'M DOING AND I'LL KEEP TRYING TO BE MORE PREPARED.
NEXT TIME I SAW THERE'S SOME LOCAL LANDSCAPING COMPANIES AND UM, I WANTED TO WARN YOU TO TRUE GREENS ALTERNATIVE TO TRYING TO BENEFIT THE EARTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND NOT KILLING OFF EVERY BUTTERFLY LADY BUG AND, UM, THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE AS WELL AS ALL THE INSECTS WE DON'T LOVE AS MUCH.
UM, THEIR ALTERNATIVE IS TO PUT DOWN CHICKEN MEAL AS A FERTILIZER EVERYWHERE.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT.
THAT'S NOT A VERY SUSTAINABLE TYPE OF FERTILIZER AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR, UH, MANY ENVIRONMENTS INCLUDING THIS ONE.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TRUE GREEN PROVIDES ANY THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO FILL YOU IN AND KEEP CHECKING BACK IN WITH YOU.
UM, THEY FIT, THEY, UH, THEY CHOSE SOMEONE ELSE TO BE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH I'M VERY EXCITED FOR THEM ABOUT.
AND UH, THEY ASKED FOR A RESUME.
SO I'LL KEEP, KEEP ALONG, TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AS MUCH AS I CAN IN THE FUTURE.
AND, AND THEN I WOULD JUST WANT TO KEEP CHALLENGING YOU GUYS ON WHY ARE YOU HIRING THEM? WHO'S CUTTING THE LAWNS AND THE GRASS AND ALL THE TOWNSHIP LANDS.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING THEY CAN DO TO MAYBE BENEFIT THE, THE SOIL HEALTH AS WELL AS THE, THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE WATER IS WHERE ALL THIS TOXIC POISON GOES, GOES RIGHT INTO OUR WATERWAYS, RIGHT INTO THE CANAL, ESPECIALLY IN LONGFORD PARK OVER THERE, IT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE CANAL.
SO ALL OF THIS, THESE POISONS ARE GONE RIGHT INTO THE WATER, KILLING THE FISH, GOING RIGHT INTO MY WELL WATER AND EVERY RESIDENT'S WELL WATER, AND IT'S GOING TO KILL US LONG LONG-TERM SLOWLY BUT SURELY.
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE NATURAL PLANTS, UM, ALL THESE MANICURED MONOCULTURE LAWN SORT OF GOOSE LAWNS, IN MY OPINION.
AND, UM, I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR YOU TO BE A NON-VOTING MEMBER ON THE EAC.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN RISE, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE ON.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
WE'VE HAD TWO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS SINCE OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING ONE WAS HELD, UH, RIGHT AFTER OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING AND THEY BOTH CONCERNED PERSONNEL ISSUES.NOW THE OTHER MEETING WAS ON, UH, AUGUST 4TH, UH,
[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST.I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR JULY 9TH, 2022 TO JULY 31ST, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF 1 MILLION, 100, $4,977 AND 81 CENTS A SECOND.
THAT, ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR THE PERIOD, JULY 9TH, 2022 THROUGH JULY 31ST, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF 1 MILLION, $104,977 AND 81 CENTS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THIS MONTH, WE HAD, UH, TWO SETS OF MINUTES FROM, UH, JULY 18TH AND OUR JULY 21ST WORKSHOP.I CAN TAKE BOTH OF THOSE AS ONE MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 18TH, 2022 MEETING AND THE JULY 21ST, 2022 MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 18TH, 2022 REGULAR MEETING AND OUR JULY 21ST, 21ST, 2022 WORKSHOP ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[PUBLIC HEARING]
NOW WE'VE COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING AND WE HAVE TWO ORDINANCES AND A CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE HEARING FOR 1 72 AWKWARD.AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR SOLICITOR, MR. BREZHNEV.
UH, THE, OF THE THREE ZONING HEARINGS.
FIRST OF THE THREE ZONING HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, UH, IS A WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES REWRITE.
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TOWNSHIP HAS AS A PART OF ITS STONING ORDINANCE REGULATIONS FOR THE PLACING AND OPERATION OF CELL TOWER FACILITIES.AND THE AMENDMENTS WERE LARGELY DRIVEN BY, UH, WHAT ARE SOMETIMES CALLED MINI TOWERS.
THE ONES THAT ARE ADDED, UH, TO TELEPHONE POLES AND SIMILAR LOWER STRUCTURES THAN FULL TOWERS.
AND THEY'RE USED TO, UM, SUPPLEMENT COVERAGE AND FILLING GAPS IN COVERAGE AND THEY BECAME MORE PREVALENT AND A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES BEGAN ADDRESSING THE SPECIFIC, UH, RULES AND CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAD IN PLACE, UH, FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE MINI TOWERS.
UH, THE ORDINANCE IS SOMEWHAT LENGTHY AND VERY DRY.
UM, YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO LOOK AT IT.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT NOW OR AFTER THE MEETING, WE HAVE IT HERE.
UM, I WILL MAKE US A PART OF THE RECORD.
UH, WANT A PROOF OF PUBLICATION THAT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT WAS, UM, PUBLISHED IN THE MERCURY ON TWO SUCCESSIVE WEEKS WITH A COPY OF THE NOTICE ITSELF.
AND THEN AS A BOARD EXHIBIT, UH, TWO, A COPY OF A REVIEW LETTER FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH HARDLY RECOMMENDS WITHOUT RESERVATION, UH, ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE WIRELESS FACILITIES ORDINANCE? OKAY.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. STARLING FROM CALLING PHONE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I IMAGINE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO UPDATE THIS AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER AN ACTING ORDINANCE 5, 9, 4 REGARDING WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 5 94 REQUEST REGARDING WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
NEXT IS, UH, ARGUING THE HEARING IS CLOSED ON THE WIRELESS FACILITIES ORDINANCE.
UM, WE'RE NOW GOING TO START THE SECOND HEARING, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF ANOTHER ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, THIS ONE IS, UH, NUMBER 5 95.
UM, THIS IS WHAT WE CALLED AN OMNIBUS CLEANUP ORDINANCE.
UM, AND WHAT HAPPENED THERE WAS, UM, AS I WORK WITH STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS ON A DAILY BASIS LOOKING AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, INTERPRETING IT, APPLYING IT.
AND SOMETIMES YOU BEGIN TO SEE PROVISIONS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
UM, YOU REALIZE THAT YOU'RE GRANTING WAIVERS EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES IN ON ONE OR ANOTHER PARTICULAR, UM, PROVISION LIKE THE SLOPE ON THE BOTTOM OF A BASIN OR ANY THERE ANY ONE OF A NUMBER OF, UM, SMALL REFERENCES THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRE, UM, CLEANING UP.
AND SO WE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVELY WENT AS BEST AS WE COULD START TO FINISH, UH, THROUGH THE ORDINANCE TO FIND THINGS THAT WERE, UM, OUTDATED OR NEEDED SOME SLIGHT AMPLIFICATION AS WE DID IN THE CASE OF THE, UH, THE FLOOD PLAIN WORK IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN, UM, DEFINITIONS RELATING TO THE DAMAGE, UH, THAT WAS DRIVEN BY IDA, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THEM ARE VERY TECHNICAL.
UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT FOR US THAN THEY ARE FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.
WHO'S OUT THERE MAYBE IMPORTANT FOR SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE OMNIBUS CLEANUP ORDINANCE? OKAY.
AGAIN, I'LL MAKE BOARD EXHIBIT ONE, A COPY OF THE PROOF OF PUBLICATION THAT TONIGHT'S CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE WAS ADVERTISED TWICE IN THE MERCURY ON TWO SUCCESSIVE WEEKS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES PLANNING CODE.
AND THE SECOND, UH, EXHIBIT WILL BE A COPY OF THE LETTER FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. STARLING FOR A VOTE.
ALRIGHT, MR. GRACE, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS A CLEANUP ORDINANCE? SURE.
UM, WE HAVE A SECTION THAT, UH, UPDATES THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT AND THE VCS ZONING DISTRICT FROM 30 TO 35 FEET.
AGAIN, THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE, THE REST OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS 35 FEET.
WE JUST NOTICED THAT DISTRICT DOESN'T GET USED A LOT.
SO WE NOTICED THAT THAT, THAT NEEDED TO CHANGE A FIVE, A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FOR ALL ACCESSORY USES ON A FRONT YARD CORNER LOT WHEN YOU HAVE A CORNER LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS BASICALLY.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF HOW CLOSE CAN YOU PUT A SHED? WHERE CAN YOU PUT A SHED? SO THAT WAS JUST CLARIFYING THAT, UM, WE'VE ADDED A DEFINITION OF MURAL TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE HAD, I HAD LOOKED AT IT AS A SIGN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, LOCK 29, THE RESTAURANT DOWN THERE, JOE INFORMED ME THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IT INCORRECTLY AND WE NEEDED TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.
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ONE OF THE TIMES THAT WE CAUGHT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, THAT ADDED A DEFINITION AND SOME OTHER MODIFYING SECTIONS, UM, A LOT OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND, AND, UM, OTHER PROVISIONS THAT WE'VE UPDATED ARE, UM, HAVING TO DO WITH THE ZONING HEARING BOARD AND INTERACTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN FOR A FEW SECTIONS, WAS IT REQUIRED DEVELOPERS TO GO AND GET MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSERVATION DISTRICT PRIOR TO GETTING THESE ZONING RELIEF.AND IF YOU'RE DOING ANY SORT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT, THAT ALWAYS COMES TOWARDS THE END, BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THE HARD ENGINEERING WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET A VARIANCE, THAT'S AT THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU'RE GETTING PERMISSION TO VARY FROM THE ORDINANCE IN THE BEGINNING TO DO THE HARD TECHNICAL ENGINEERING COMES AT THE END AFTER YOU HAVE ALL THOSE PERMISSIONS.
AND SO IT WAS JUST SORT OF A QUIRK OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE TRIED TO CLEAN UP.
UM, WE'VE AMENDED THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING HEIGHT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRING BUILDING ELEVATIONS AS PART OF THE FLOOD PLAIN ORDINANCE.
WHEN THEY HIT A CERTAIN DOLLAR VALUE.
WE LOOKED AT THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME IN WHEN IT, WHEN THEY SAID, WELL, HERE, WE'RE GONNA ELEVATE IT TO THIS.
IT, UH, VIOLATED THE, THE UNDERLYING LANGUAGE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE FIXED THAT SO THAT WE MAY NOT, WE WON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE AGAIN.
UM, WE'VE ALSO INCREASED THE FREEBOARD.
FREEBOARD IS THE HEIGHT ABOVE THE FLOOD, PLAIN ELEVATION.
WE'VE INCREASED THE REQUIREMENT FROM ONE AND A HALF TO THREE FEET BASED ON FEMA RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HIGHER THAN THE, THE FLOOD PLAIN OR THE HIGHER THAN THE, UH, THE HIGHEST FLOOD HEIGHT.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT WAS JUST SOME MORE TECHNICAL ISSUES.
UM, CONSERVATION DISTRICT LANGUAGE IN THERE, SOME, YOU KNOW, WE CAUGHT A FIRE.
WE W WE HADN'T CODIFIED THE AMOUNT OF DISTANCE THAT WE NOTIFY BEFORE.
IT HAD ALWAYS JUST, WE KNEW IT WAS 500 FEET, BUT WE PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE SO THAT IT WAS CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A ZONING HEARING BOARD OR A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING, LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR NEXT, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE NOTIFY FROM 500 FEET.
SO QUESTION JEFF ON THE HEIGHT FOR THE SLED THREE FEET HIGHER THAN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN, OR THREE FEET HIGHER THAN IDA THREE FEET HIGHER THAN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN TO, UH, ADOPT, UH, ORDINANCE 5 95.
I MEAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 5 95 REGARDING TO ZONING AMENDMENTS.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 5 95 REGARDING GENERAL ZONING AMENDMENTS.
THAT CONCLUDES THE HEARING ON THE OMNIBUS ZONING CLEANUP.
UH, THAT TAKES US RIGHT TO OUR THIRD HEARING TONIGHT.
AND I THINK THE ONE THAT MOST OF YOU ARE HERE FOR REGARDING 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER TWO THAT YOU JUST SUFFERED THROUGH.
UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE, UM, HEARING IS A HEARING, UH, RECOGNIZED BY STATE LAW.
AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS, UM, ORDINANCE THAT RECOGNIZED LAND USES IN THREE WAYS.
THERE ARE PROHIBITED USES, AND IN A MIDDLE GROUND, THERE ARE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IF, IF ADDITIONAL CRITERIA ARE, UH, PROVEN.
UM, UH, SO THAT IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO AN ALLOWED USE THAN A DISALLOWED USE, BUT IT REQUIRES PROOF OF THESE ADDITIONAL THINGS.
IF IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT'S CALLED A CONDITIONAL.
IF THE ORDINANCE SENDS IT TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, IT'S CALLED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
UH, SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE.
IT IS A PROCEEDING IN WHICH, UM, EVERY PERSON WHO'S HERE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY WITNESS AND TO OFFER COMMENTS AT THE END, PRIOR TO THE BOARD TAKING A VOTE.
AND THAT'S, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU DO OR DO NOT SEEK STATUS AS A PARTY.
UM, I KNOW FROM AN EMAIL THAT THERE'S AT LEAST ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO DO SEEK STATUS AS A PARTY, SO LET'S TAKE CARE OF THAT ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR A MOMENT.
AND, UM, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SEEKING PARTY STATUS, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? UH, GOOD EVENING, JOHN GENTILE, 1704 MORGAN LANE.
I'D LIKE TO SEEK PARTY STATUS, PLEASE.
I'M SURE I COULD THE ADDRESS AGAIN, JOHN GENTILE.
AND YOU ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OBVIOUSLY TO THE PROPOSAL.
YEAH, SO THAT MIKE'S EMAIL WAS, WAS FOR MYSELF AND JOE WAS RIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE ALLISON'S ARO HERE AS ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, ALISON, IT WOULD SEEM THAT, UM, HE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE STANDING FOR PARTY STATUS BASED UPON HIS PROXIMITY.
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THERE ANY OBJECTION? NO.AND BOARD, UH, BASED ON THE CRITERIA FOR PARTY STATUS, HE WOULD CERTAINLY SATISFY THAT CRITERIA.
SO HE'S ADMITTED AS A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING.
HELLO, JOSEPH MCGINTY, 1708 MORGAN LANE, APPLYING FOR PARTY STATUS AND FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS IN THE PROXIMITY.
ALISON YOU OKAY? NO OBJECTION.
SO YOU'RE ALSO ADMITTED AS A PARTY.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO SOUGHT TO DO THE SAME GOOD EVENING, ALBERT VAG NOSY 1 28 PATRIOT DRIVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PARTY STATUS WHETHER I USE IT OR NOT IS TO BE DETERMINED.
COULD YOU JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD, HOW FAR AWAY YOU ARE FROM THE PROPOSED WORK? A QUARTER-MILE.
BOARD MEMBERS, SAME STANDARD WOULD PREVAIL.
SO MR. VAGNOZZI, YOU'RE ALSO ADMITTED AS A PARTY, UM, FOR ANY OF THE OTHERS WHO ARE HERE THAT DOES NOT IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR OFFER COMMENTS, UH, AT THE, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE BOARD TAKING A VOTE.
UM, SIR, CHRIS FALLS, SICK, 15, 13 GREEN VALLEY JOB COLLEGEVILLE.
WAIT, I'M SORRY, CHRIS, WHAT? CHRIS FOSDICK.
AND YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? 1 5, 1, 3 GREEN VALLEY DRIVE.
AND WHAT'S YOUR PROXIMITY TO THE PROPOSED WORK? IT'S A BUTTON UP TO THE BACK OF PROPERTY OR ENOUGH.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER EASY CALL, ALISON.
YOU'RE ALSO ADMITTED AS A PARTY.
UM, I WILL ADMIT AS BOARD EXHIBITS BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO ALISON, UH, I JUST, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO IT, UM, A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS FOR THE BOARD, UH, BOARD EXHIBIT ONE IS THE PROOF OF PUBLICATION, UH, WITH THE POTTSTOWN MIRROR MERCURY, UH, DEMONSTRATING THAT NOTICE OF TONIGHT'S HEARING WAS ADVERTISED TWICE IN THE MERCURY ON SUCCESSIVE WEEKS.
THAT'LL BE BOARD EXHIBIT ONE, BUT EXHIBIT TWO IS AN AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING AND MAILING SIGNED BY JEFF GRACE.
WHO'S HERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT, UH, VERIFYING THAT THE PROPERTY WAS POSTED AS REQUIRED BY THE MUNICIPALITIES PLANNING CODE AND NOTICES SENT TO RESIDENTS WITHIN THE STATE OF PROXIMITY.
THAT WILL BE FORD EXHIBIT TWO AT BOARD.
EXHIBIT THREE IS THE REVIEW LETTER FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THOSE THREE BOARD EXHIBITS ARE ADMITTED TO THE RECORD.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE PRELIMINARILY.
SO I'M ALISON, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
IS THIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.
I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE WITH THE MIC HERE.
SO, UM, GOOD EVENING, ALISON ZERO ON BEHALF OF HOPWOOD HOMES, HOPWOOD HOMES IS THE OWNER OF 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING SEEKING CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR 48 TWIN DWELLING UNITS AT 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
WHY I'M YOU MIXED USE DISTRICT? AND THE TWIN HOMES ARE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE IN THE DISTRICT.
I DO HAVE THREE WITNESSES THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST IS JERRY SLIPPER COUGH, WHO IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER.
THE SECOND IS LISA THOMAS, WHO WAS THE PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THE THIRD IS RUSS LONG, WHO IS FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH IS OSHA ENGINEERING, INC.
UM, I DO HAVE A PRE-MARKED PACKET OF EXHIBITS TO HAND UP TO THE BOARD.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT COLLECTIVELY BE APPLICANT ONE? OR ARE YOU GOING TO BREAK THEM OUT AS SEPARATE EXHIBITS? I DO HAVE SEPARATE EXHIBITS.
AND JEFF HAS EVERYTHING ELECTRONICALLY AS WELL.
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ARE YOU GOING TO HAND HER THOSE, THOSE ARE FOR THIS ONE.THESE ARE THE OTHER TWO JUST PRELIMINARILY.
BEFORE I CALL MY FIRST WITNESS, WE HAVE MARKED AS EXHIBIT A ONE, A COPY OF THE CONDITIONAL USE AND TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FORM WITH COVER LETTER DATED MAY 18TH, 2022, A LETTER FROM MYSELF TO THE TOWNSHIP DATED JUNE 16TH, 2022, WHICH SIMPLY EXTENDED THE TIME FOR THE BOARD TO HOLD THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING AND UPDATED THE ENTITY NAME FOR THE PROJECT AND A SAMPLE OF BUILDING RENDERING PREPARED BY JAIL ARCHITECTS, WHICH WAS FILED WITH THE APPLICATION EXHIBIT 82 IS THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ZONING ORDINANCE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE.
UM, AND NEXT I'D LIKE TO CALL JERRY SLIPPER COUGH.
GERALD EDWARD SLIPPER COUGH, J E R A L D S L I P A K O F F.
JERRY, COULD YOU PLEASE, UM, IDENTIFY WHO YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER IS AND WHAT YOUR POSITION IS WITH THAT EMPLOYER? YES.
UH, THE GALMAN GROUP, I AM A VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF THE GAMMA GROUP AND EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT.
AND WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE GALMAN GROUP AND THE APPLICANT HOPWOOD HOMES, LLC.
THE GAMMA GROUP IS THE MANAGING AGENT FOR THE HOP WITH HOMES.
HAVE YOU BEEN AUTHORIZED TO APPEAR AND MAKE REPRESENTATIONS ON BOTH BEHALF OF THE GALMAN GROUP AND HOPWOOD HOMES LLC THIS EVENING? YES, I AM.
UM, AND WE HAVE MARKED AS EXHIBIT A THREE, A COPY OF THE DEED BETWEEN MCAULEY ASSOCIATES AND HOPWOOD HOMES, LLC DATED JUNE 9TH, 2022, AND RECORDED ON JUNE 22ND, 2022.
UM, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAVING SEEN A COPY OF THIS DEED DUE TO THE PROPERTY? YES.
UM, IS THE APPLICANT INTENDING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH 48 TOWNHOMES OR EXCUSE ME, TWINS ON BOTH SIDES OF HOPWOOD ROAD.
UM, AND HAVE YOU REVIEWED WHAT WE HAVE MARKED AS EXHIBIT A FOUR, WHICH IS A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS DATED NOVEMBER 4TH, 2019, AND RECORDED ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2019, WHICH CREATED CERTAIN COVENANTS THAT APPLY TO THE PROPERTY AND DEVELOPMENT OF IT WITH TWIN HOUSES? YES, I HAVE.
UM, AND IN PARTICULAR TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DOES THE DECLARATION REQUIRE CERTAIN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH RUSS LONG WILL TOUCH ON LATER IN HIS TESTIMONY? UM, OUTLINED IN THE DECLARATION TO BE COMPLETED SUBJECT TO PENN DOT APPROVAL PRIOR TO, OR CONCURRENTLY WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT OF TWIN HOMES ON BEHALF WOOD ROAD, PROPERTY? YES.
AND, UM, WELL THE DEVELOPMENT COMPLY, HOW WILL THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT, FOR INSTANCE, ARE YOU THE DEVELOPER OF A NEIGHBORING PROJECT WHERE SOME OF THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE? YES, WE'RE ALSO THE DEVELOPER OF, UH, UH, THE YORKIES APARTMENT COMPLEX ON YORKIES ROAD.
AND PART OF THAT PLAN IS TO, UM, UH, IMPROVE, UH, ROUTE 29, WHICH WE INTEND TO DO.
AND THAT GOES PART AND PARCEL WITH HOP WITH.
UM, AND DOES THE DECLARATION ALSO CONTAIN CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS WITH RESPECT TO DENSITY AND LAYOUT SPECIFICALLY FOR TWIN DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
AND WILL YOU ALSO BE COMPLYING WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS? YES, WE WILL.
AND WILL LISA THOMAS FURTHER ADDRESS THAT IN HER TESTIMONY? I THINK SHE WILL.
UM, WAS IT CONCEPTUAL RENDERING OF THE, OF THE TWIN HOUSE FACADE SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, WHICH I NOTED IS MARKED AS PART OF EXHIBIT A ONE? IT WAS, YES.
AND, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD FURTHER REFINE AND, YOU KNOW, INTEND TO UPDATE AS YOU GO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OR THE BOARD APPROVED THIS APPLICATION? YES, WE DO INTEND TO UPGRADE IT AND IMPROVE IT.
AND WOULD THE FINAL DESIGN CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SET FORTH IN THE Y M U DISTRICT THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO TWIN DWELLING UNITS.
AND FINALLY, DID YOU APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JULY 6TH, 2022.
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RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION? YES, WE DID.AND THEY DID APPROVE, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. UH, DO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS I'VE WITNESSED QUESTIONS? DO ANY OF THE PARTIES HAVE WITNESSED QUESTIONS? I HAVE, I I'M SORRY.
UM, YOU SAY YOU'RE ALSO THE DEVELOPER FOR THE YERKES TRACK? YES.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO, WHEN YOU INTEND ON DOING SOME OF THE ROADWORK IMPROVEMENTS DOWN ON 29, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT TILL, YOU KNOW, UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU DO THAT PROJECT AND PUSH OFF THE ROAD, WORK ON 29.
GIVE ME A, GIVE ME A GUESSTIMATE, NOT, NOT THAT YOU'D NEED TO BE SPECIFIC, BUT IN THE PROCESS OF THIS WHOLE THING, WHEN YOU START THE HOUSES, YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO START THE ROAD WORK.
I MEAN, OUR INTENTION IS TO PUSH THE APARTMENT PROJECT ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE STILL NEED TO GET, UH, HOP APPROVALS.
AND, UM, AS SOON AS WE GET THEM, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THE ROAD AND, AND GET THAT DONE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS YOUR INTENTION IS TO DO SOME OF THE ROADWORK PRIOR TO YOUR START ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOPWOOD YES.
I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT YERKES IS DOWN THE ROAD FOR, YES.
YOUR YERKES IS A BIG PROJECT FOR US AND WE WANT TO GET THAT UNDERWAY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND OF COURSE WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE DO THE ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN VERY AS QUICKLY AS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET ALL THESE APPROVALS, WHICH IS NOT A VERY EASY PROCESS.
DID YOU GET, DID YOU GET A GRANT FROM THE STATE FOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MUCH MONEY WAS THAT WE DID GET A GRANT.
WE, YOU KNOW, IS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE 29 MORE THAN I AM ABOUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED STRAIGHT THROUGH WITH TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR ME? IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT WAS IN THE PROS, I'M NOT SEEING FOUR LANES.
UM, IS THERE FOUR LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS OR TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS I'M IN, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS.
I THINK THAT WHEN WE GET TO REST LONG AFRICA, YEAH, SORRY.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHEN WE GET TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, HE CAN EXP HE'LL, I'LL HAVE HIM WALK YOU THROUGH THE EXACT SCOPE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
CAUSE IT, IT NARROWS BACK DOWN IN A CERTAIN AREA.
SO I WANT TO BE PRECISE ON THE RECORD IF THAT'S OKAY.
I THINK WHAT WOULD BE MOST INTERESTING IS UNDERSTANDING THE TIMELINE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO GO ON THERE.
AND THAT INTERSECTION IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN OUR TOWNSHIP.
AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE ADDING OHMS HERE AND ADDING TRAFFIC TO AN ALREADY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
SO FOR ME, THE MOST INTERESTING THING IS WHAT'S THE TIMELINE RELATION TO WHAT JOHN'S SAYING FOR THE 29 IMPROVEMENTS IN RELATION TO YERKES AND AS A, AS A PACKAGE AND OUR APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS SO FAR DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC TIMELINES, BUT WE DO HAVE THE, THE ROAD WORK DIRECTLY TIED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE JOBS THROUGH THE DEED RESTRICTION.
THAT IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S IN THE EXHIBIT PACKET THAT YOU JUST GOT.
UM, THEY'RE TIED TO DO THE ROAD WORK AS A PART OF ALL THIS.
THEY CAN STILL ELABORATE ON TIMELINE, BUT MAYBE MORE TO ANSWERING JOHN'S CONCERN.
UM, THEY ARE TIED TOGETHER LEGALLY AND THEY CAN'T JUST DO THE PROJECT AND THEN SLOUGH OFF THE RE 29 WORK.
THEY COULD START, THEY COULD, THEY CAN'T START EITHER OF THE PROJECTS HOPWOOD OR YERKES UNTIL THE ROAD GETS STARTED.
OR DOES THAT STAY MUCH IN BETWEEN OR WHAT, OR DOES THE ROAD IT IN? SO JUST TO SORT OF, YEAH, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, YERKES HAD ALREADY RECEIVED TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL AND PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE THIRD-PARTY EASEMENT AND RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION PROCESS, WHICH AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROCESS PROPERTIES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THAT FOR THE IMPROVEMENT AT HOPWOOD IN 29.
UH, ONCE WE RECEIVED THOSE PERMITS AND COME BACK TO YOU AND PRESUMABLY RECEIVE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL, THAT ROAD WORK WOULD BE CONCURRENT WITH THE YERKES PROJECT.
HOWEVER, WHAT JERRY IS SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE ONSITE STUFF IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TOO, SINCE THAT'S AN SIGNIFICANT APARTMENT PROJECT YOU DECLARATION, WHICH IS MARKED AS EXHIBIT A FOUR, THAT WE WERE JUST REFERRING TO SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES THAT THE ANY TWIN OR TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TWINS HERE ON HOPWOOD WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT ROAD WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE PRIOR TO, OR AT THE SAME TIME AS THE HOPWOOD PROJECT.
SO YOU COULD NOT PROCEED WITH THE TWIN DWELLING UNITS AND LESS
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THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ROAD WORK HAS TO BE DONE PLEADED.I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN'T BE DONE YOUR PROJECT, BOTH PROJECTS AND NOT HAVE THOSE ROADS.
AND I CAN CONCUR WITH THAT THROUGH ALL THE, ALL THE WORK THAT WE DID ON THIS PROJECT.
SO IT, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, THEY NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT IN ORDER TO GET ACCESS TO THE YERKES ROUTE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY TO GET INTO THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND TO ADD ANY SUBSTANTIAL TRAFFIC THERE.
THEY CANNOT OPERATE WITHOUT THOSE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS IN PLACE.
AND THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS I'M NOT GOING TO BE ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THE WORK STARTS ON THE ROAD ON EITHER PROJECT.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN AFTER WE SIGNED UP FOR THAT PERMITS OR THE FINAL CONTROL THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TIME.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN ONE IS GOING TO START EXACTLY VERSUS THE OTHER, BUT THE ROAD WORK HAS TO BE DONE FOR THESE PLACES TO BE OCCUPIED.
BUT JUST WHAT COULD, WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS THEY COULD BOTH BE BEING WORKED ON IN THE ROAD, COULD BE BEING WORKED ON IT.
AND THERE'S SECURITY POSTED OTHER SECURITY POSTED.
SO IT'LL GET DONE AND, AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO GIVE THEM BUILDING OCCUPANCY UNTIL THE ROAD WORK IS DONE, TOLD HER THAT IS IN PLACE.
SO THEY CAN'T INHABIT THE BUILDING.
THEY CAN HAVE THE CONTRACTORS WORKING ON THE SITE, BUT THAT MIGHT BE IT RIGHT.
THEY COULD PROCEED AT THEIR RISK WITH BUILDING THE BUILDINGS WHILE THEY ARE DOING THE ROAD WORK.
BUT YES, THE ROAD WORK WILL ALSO BE FINANCIALLY SECURED.
ARE THERE ANY OF THE PARTIES WHO HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS WILL MR. JOE? HI, IT'S JOHN GENTILE.
JERRY, DO YOU KNOW WHICH PROJECT YOU PLAN ON STARTING FIRST? IS IT HOPWOOD OR THE, OR THE APARTMENTS? PROBABLY YOUR ABS.
THAT'S OUR PLAN AT THE MOMENT.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHEN YOU THINK HOPWOOD WOULD START? UM, WELL, WE'RE STILL GETTING INTO THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY HONESTLY, BUT, UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET STARTED FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
YERKES PROJECT PRETTY BIG PROJECT.
WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT STARTED AND UNDERWAY FIRST.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO DO THE HOPWOOD ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS A SEPARATE PROJECT FROM THE 29 IMPROVEMENTS.
WE COULD GET, TAKE THAT SCHOOL, THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT APPROVED ALSO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE HOPWOOD PROJECT IS LIKE KIND OF FALLING BEHIND EUROPE, BUT THEY'RE BOTH MOVING FORWARD.
WE CAN'T GIVE YOU, IS, IS IT THE, IN YOUR INTENT TO BE THE BUILDER FOR HOPWOOD? YEAH.
UM, WE'RE CONSIDERING IT, BUT WE'RE ALSO ARE WEIGHING OTHER OPTIONS.
UH, I MEAN, WE WE'VE BEEN, UM, YOUR OLD BUILDING, SOME TOWNHOUSES DOWN ON THE JERSEY SHORE RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A PRETTY GOOD PROJECT FOR US.
AND SO WE'RE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING BUILDING IT OURSELVES, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT REALLY BY TRADE TOWNHOUSE BUILDERS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT AND WE'VE GOT THE STAFF, WE MOSTLY WORK WITH APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
SO, AND I JUST HAVE, I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
AND ALISON, I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS LATER, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON HOPWOOD.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR YOU ALL AS WELL.
JEFF, MAYBE TOO, BUT ARE, ARE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON HOPWOOD? LIKE THE, THE SOFTENING OUT OF THE CURVE AND ALL OF THAT IS THAT DEPICTED IN THIS, IN THIS SKETCHING.
AND HAS THAT BEEN REVIEWED? IT IS DEPICTED.
AND, UM, ONE OF MY LATER WITNESSES, RUSS LONG WILL ADDRESS IT.
AND IT HAS, THERE HAS BEEN A REVIEW LETTER ISSUED BY MCMANN.
ANY OF THE OTHER PARTIES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS? OKAY, SIR, CHRIS FALLS, TECH 15, 13 GREEN VALLEY JIVE.
MY QUESTIONS ARE, IS THE WATER THAT DRAINS OFF INTO MY BACKYARD AND DOWN TO THE CREEK.
HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED AND IN REGARDS TO ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE WELL, YOU'RE, THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY ONE WITNESS WHO'S SWORN.
AND IT'S REALLY THAT QUESTION IS FOR THE WITNESS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR ONE OF MY OTHER TWO WITNESSES TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WE WILL ADDRESS HONOR.
SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THE STORMWATER QUESTION WITH ANOTHER WITNESS.
DO ANY OF THE OTHER PARTIES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS? DO ANY
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OF THE OTHER CITIES, ANY OF THE OTHER CITIZENS IN THE ROOM HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS? OKAY.UM, NEXT I'D LIKE TO CALL LISA THOMAS.
I DO, UH, LISA L. THOMAS L I S A T H O M A S.
LISA, COULD YOU STATE, UM, YOUR EMPLOYER AND YOUR POSITION FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? UM, MY EMPLOYER'S BLACK AND THOMAS PANS, ZACK, AND MY FIDGET PHYSICIAN IS A PRINCIPAL OF BLACK ANTON SCREENS.
UM, ARE YOU A CERTIFIED PLANNER BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS? I AM.
ARE YOU ALSO REGISTERED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA? I AM.
UM, AND WE HAVE LISA THOMAS' CV MARKED AS EXHIBIT A FIVE.
UM, LISA, IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON YOUR BACKGROUND AND CONFIRM WHETHER YOU'VE TESTIFIED IN THESE TYPES OF HEARINGS IN FRONT OF MUNICIPAL BODIES LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, I DON'T NEED TO, WELL, SHE'S, SHE'S HOLDING TWO DIFFERENT CERTIFICATIONS REGISTRATION SUCH NORMALLY FOR, FOR HEARING OF THIS TYPE IS AUTOMATICALLY QUALIFY HER AS AN EXPERT TO SERVE.
SO WE'LL SAY THAT THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CV.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO QUALIFY AS AN EXPERT IN PLAYING, I WILL ASK, DO ANY OF THE PARTIES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS WITH RESPECT TO HER QUALIFICATIONS? BECAUSE THE BOARD WOULD BE INCLINED TO ACCEPT HER AS AN EXPERT WITNESS BASED UPON HER CERTIFICATIONS WITH THE STATE.
UM, ARE YOU THE PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT? I AM.
AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL SURROUNDING AREA AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ITS FEATURES? I AM.
AND ARE YOU ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCES? I AM.
UM, OR ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PREPARATION OF WHAT WE HAVE MARKED AS EXHIBIT A SIX, A TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN DATED MAY 16TH, 2022? YES.
AND WAS THAT SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION? IT WAS.
UM, WERE YOU ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PREPARATION OF EXHIBIT A SEVEN, A RENDERED TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN DATED MAY 16TH, 2022, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN? YES.
UM, IS, IS, DOES, ALTHOUGH ARE BOTH LABELED AS TENTATIVE SKETCH PLANS, DO THEY ALSO SERVE AS THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION OR PLAN FOR PURPOSES OF THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION? THEY DO.
I'M REFERRING TO EXHIBIT A SEVEN.
COULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY AND GENERALLY THE SURROUNDING USES? YES, THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 21.8 ACRES.
AND THE SITE IS BISECTED BY HOPWOOD ROAD.
AND I'M SHOWING YOU RIGHT NOW WHERE HOPWOOD ROAD IS, IS ON THE PLAN.
UM, IT, UH, IS, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND IT CONTAINS, UM, TWIN HOMES.
UH, THE LAND IS CURRENTLY, UM, UNDEVELOPED OR A COUPLE OF HOUSES ON IT OR BUILDINGS ON IT.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY FARMLAND IN TODAY.
IT'S FALLOW AND VEGETATION IS GROWING ON, ON IT IS INBUILT ON THE, ON THE SITE.
UH, THE PLANT, THE SITE HAS, UM, SLOPES OF US 15% AND PLUS PLUS, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
SO THE SLOPES ARE IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE ALSO, UH, THERE'S A FLOOD PLAIN ON, UM, WHAT I'LL CALL IS THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAWING A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN RIGHT HERE.
AND, UM, UH, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED COMPLETELY BY RESIDENTIAL USES.
WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, 48 TOWNHOMES TWINS WITH A 22 ON THE I'LL CALL IT THE NORTH SIDE OF HOPWOOD ROAD AND 26 ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, AND IF YOU COULD FURTHER WALK THROUGH WHAT'S PROPOSED IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHERE SIDEWALKS TRAIL CONNECTIONS ARE PROPOSED.
EACH, UM, SIDE OF THE ROAD OR EACH GROUP OF HOMES HAS TWO ENTRANCES AND A LOOP ROAD THAT SERVES THE HOMES AND THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE SAME THING, A PORTION OF THE FRONTAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY HOMES.
THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SOUTH SIDE, WHERE THERE ARE NO HOMES LOCATED, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A SIDEWALK THERE, BUT THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE STREET.
AND WE'RE CONTEMPLATING ACTUALLY PROVIDING CROSSWALKS IN AREAS ADJACENT TO THE HOMES.
SO YOU CAN CROSS THE STREET AND GET ON THE SIDEWALK.
THERE'LL BE PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROADS AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY PARKING
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IN THE DRIVEWAYS AND IN THE PROPOSED GARAGES, STORMWATER, UM, INCLUDES, UH, DETENTION, BASINS AND RAIN GARDENS.UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE FRONTAGE, IS THERE ALSO TRAIL AND SIDEWALK PROPOSED ALONG THE FRONT EDGE, IF YOU COULD WALK THROUGH WHERE THOSE ARE PROPOSED? YEAH.
SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOPWOOD WOULD BE A SIDEWALK CONNECTING DOWN, UM, AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE WOULD BE A 10 FOOT WIDE TRAIL THAT CONNECTS TO A MORGAN LANE.
AND WOULD THAT CONTINUE DOWN HOPWOOD ROAD, UM, WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE IS CONNECTIVITY BEING PROVIDED FROM THE IRAQI STATION DEVELOPMENT? YES.
UM, AS PART OF THE TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION, DID YOU PREPARE AN AREA IN BULK CHART SHOWING THE REQUIRED AND PROPOSED AREA IN BULK REQUIREMENTS, ALONG WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT'S SHOWN ON BOTH EXHIBIT A SIX AND EXHIBIT A SEVEN? YES.
UM, AND DOES THE DEVELOPMENT PER COMPLY WITH THOSE PROPOSED OR THOSE REQUIREMENTS? IT DOES.
UM, AND HOW MANY OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ONE TO TWO PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND SO HOW MANY ARE PROPOSED ON THE SITE? TWO PER DWELLING.
UM, AND YOU ALSO TOUCHED ON ADDITIONAL AREAS FOR PARKING, IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN WHERE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT.
SO IT'LL BE ON ONE SIDE OF EACH OF THE LOOP ROADS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, HAVE YOU ALSO REVIEWED THE DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT WE HAVE MARKED AS EXHIBIT A FOUR? I HAVE.
AND, UM, DOES THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COMPLY WITH THE MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENTS OF BOTH THE Y M U DISTRICT AND HAS THE DENSITY FURTHER BEEN LIMITED TO 48 DWELLING UNITS PER THAT DECLARATION OF RESTRICTION? IT DOES.
UM, DOES THE Y M U DISTRICT ALSO REQUIRE A SETBACK OF 100 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES THAT ABUT A RESIDENTIAL USE OR ZONE? IT DOES.
AND IT'S CLEARLY SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.
THERE'S A WHITE DASH LINE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY AND, UM, THE A HUNDRED FOOT IS LABELED ON, ON THE, UH, SIDE IN THE PERIMETER BUFFER AREA.
AND DOES, UM, THE Y IMU SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO THE SETBACK, UM, LIMIT WHAT CAN BE IN THERE.
AND DOES THE DECLARATION FURTHER LIMITED TO PROHIBIT MAN-MADE ABOVE GROUND STRUCTURES, INCLUDING ROADS, DRIVEWAYS, PARKING, LOTS DECKS, PATIOS, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BASINS, AND ALCOHOL STRUCTURES, EXCEPT FOR UTILITY FACILITIES OR OTHER BELOW GRADE, OR AT GRADE STORM RUNNER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES IN THE 100 FOOT SETBACK WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ARE ONE ZONING.
UM, AND HAS THE PLAN BEEN DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS, UM, SPECIFIC TO, UM, THE
UM, BUT, AND LOOKING AT THAT IS THAT ALSO, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THEREFORE WOULD COMPLY WITH THAT RESTRICTION? YES.
UM, DOES THE DECLARATION FURTHER LIMIT THE PLACEMENT OF THE TWIN HOMES AS ALIGNED WITH CERTAIN PROPERTIES ON MORGAN LANE AND GREEN VALLEY DRIVE? IT DOES.
AND HAS THE PLAN BEEN DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT? YES.
UM, NEXT I'D LIKE TO TURN TO LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING IS A TYPE TWO, A BUFFER, INCLUDING EARTHEN BERMS REQUIRED ALONG THE SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED TONES AND THE ARWEN DISTRICT PURSUANT TO THE Y IMU REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND REFERRING TO EXHIBIT A SEVEN, COULD YOU, UM, IDENTIFY AREAS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE BUFFERED PURSUANT TO THAT REQUIREMENT? YES.
THE NORTHERN END OF THE SITE WILL BE BUFFERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
UM, AND OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING VEGETATION.
ALSO THE NORTHERN END ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE WOULD BE BUFFERED.
AND THE CODE ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO USE EXISTING VEGETATION, WHICH WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HAS, UM, UH, SOME WOODLANDS THERE AND THAT WOULD BE USED AS BUFFER PLANT MATERIAL.
UM, AND ON THAT SOUTHERN SIDE THAT YOU TOUCHED ON IS THE INTENTION BECAUSE THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES AND FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA TO LEAVE THAT AND UTILIZE THE NATURALIZED EXISTING VEGETATION.
UM, HAVE YOU ALSO IDENTIFIED THE LOCATION OF STREETLIGHTS ON EXHIBIT A SEVEN? THEY HAVE, THEY'RE SHOWN AS BLACK SQUARES ALONG HOPWOOD ROAD.
HERE'S ONE TO FOCUS YOU IN AND THEN BLACK TRIANGLES ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS.
AND WE'RE SHOWING BOTH STREETLIGHTS ON HOPWOOD ROAD AND ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL ROUTES AND WITH LANDSCAPING, BUFFERING AND LIGHTING, UM, FEW FURTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERED, SO TO SPEAK WITH PHOTOMETRIC
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LIGHTING PLAN, DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLANS, IF THIS CONDITIONAL USE WERE TO BE APPROVED AND DURING THE PRELIMINARY LAND DEVELOPMENT STAGE.UM, WELL THE COMMON FACILITIES, INCLUDING OPEN SPACE AREAS AND THE INTERNAL STREETS BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, AND HOW WOULD REFUSE TO BE HANDLED IN THE COMMUNITY? UH, IT WOULD BE A CURBSIDE PICKUP, UM, AT, WITH A LOCAL PRIVATE HOLLER THAT THE HOA WOULD SELECT.
UM, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD JUST BE, THERE'D BE NO.
SO THERE'D BE NO COMMUNITY DUMPSTERS.
IT WOULD JUST BE CREDITED WITH TRADITIONAL TRASH PICKUP, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE ONE HOLLER COMING IN RATHER THAN MULTIPLE HOLES.
HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE GILMORE AND ASSOCIATES REVIEW LETTER OF JUNE 29TH, 2022? I HAVE.
UM, AND IN YOUR OPINION, ARE THERE A COUPLE OF THINGS SPECIFICALLY, UM, ONE ZONING COMMENT, 12 THAT RELATES TO MULTIFAMILY RECREATIONAL AREAS, UM, AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING MULTIFAMILY HERE THAT YOU BELIEVE WITHIN APPLICABLE, CORRECT? YES, I DO BELIEVE IT'S AN APPLICABLE.
UM, BUT IS THERE ALSO A SEPARATE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE TWIN HOUSES PURSUANT TO THE APICAL SECTION OF THE Y AMU DISTRICT? THERE IS, UM, AND HOW MUCH, UH, IS REQUIRED.
30% OF THE TOTAL TRACT IS REQUIRED AND HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE IS BEING PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A SEVEN, UH, APPROXIMATELY 50%.
AND, UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OVER 10 ACRES.
IT WOULD BE, UM, WHERE THERE ARE ALSO A COUPLE OF REQUIREMENTS OR COMMENTS IN THAT REVIEW LETTER RELATED TO REVERSE FRONTAGE LOSS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY SEPARATELY LOTTED OUT LOTS FOR THE TOWN OR FOR THE TWINS BEING PROPOSED HERE? NO, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR ZERO LOT LINES AROUND THE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, IS THE APPLICANT ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE OTHER COMMENTS AND THE GILMORE REVIEW LETTER? YES.
LISA, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 180 2 DASH 2 0 4 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? I HAVE.
UM, AND IN YOUR OPINION, DOES THE APPLICATION COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS? IT DOES.
UM, IN YOUR OPINION, DOES, WOULD THE GRANTING OF THE CONDITIONAL USE ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST? IT WOULD NOT.
AND, UM, IN YOUR OPINION, WITH RESPECT TO MATTERS, YOU'VE TESTIFIED, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE WILL BE PROTECTED? I DO.
I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. THOMAS.
ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS? YES.
UM, YOU MENTIONED A TRAIL COMING DOWN THE NORTH SIDE OF, UM, HOPWOOD, UM, AND THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO 29.
THAT, THAT TRAIL CONNECTION WILL CONNECT TO 29.
WILL THAT TRAIL CONNECTION GO ACROSS 29 AND HOOKUP TO WHATEVER YOU'RE PROPOSING ON THE YORKIE'S TRACK? YES.
SO THEN THAT TRAIL THAT CONNECTS ON THE YERKES TRACK WILL CONNECT TO THE PERKIOMEN TRAIL THEN? YES.
AND IT'S A DOUBLE TRAIL, RIGHT? THERE'S A TRAIL.
SO ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE TRAIL THE 10 FOOT WIDE TRAIL.
AND I'LL CALL IT THE SOUTH SIDE IS A SIDEWALK ACTUALLY.
AND WHERE DOES THAT START? SOUTH SIDE.
DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY UP AND CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK OR JUST STARTS? THERE'S NO SIDEWALK, THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
AND THEN HOW WIDE ARE THE ROADS IN THE TWO CIRCULAR COMMUNITIES? 32 FEET.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT RIGHT.
HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROAD MAINTENANCE THEY'RE PRIVATE ROADS.
AND THEN THE TRAILS THAT RUN DOWN HOPWOOD WHO MAINTAINS THOSE, I'M NOT SURE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT UP TO THE TOWNSHIP, WHETHER IT WAS DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC TRAIL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT YEAH, I'M FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS GOING ON.
ZONING IS HOW ALLOWED TO USE YOUR LAND AND THEN THERE'S LAND DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS HOW YOU BUILD THE STUFF ON YOUR LAND THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD.
SO THIS HEARING IS A ZONING HEARING ONLY, ALSO ON THE AGENDA.
TONIGHT IS THE FIRST STEP OF THREE PLANNING DAYS ARE STAGES FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS PART IS, IS A ZONING HEARING.
AND THEN GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME IS LAND DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE GO THROUGH TENTATIVE APPROVAL, PRELIMINARY APPROVAL AND FINAL APPROVAL, ALL IN SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND DURING THAT SIDE OF IT IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE HARD DETAILS ABOUT THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
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FOR WHAT SOMETIMES WITH SOMETHING LIKE THE TRAIL.IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT BETWEEN THOSE HEARINGS, TRY TO WORK IT OUT WITH THEM, TALK TO STAFF.
DO WE WANT THIS ONE? WOULD THIS ONE BE GOOD TO BE A PART OF OUR SYSTEM? OR SHOULD WE MAKE THIS ONE BE SOMETHING THEY DO? WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE TO THAT POINT YET ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SIDE, BECAUSE THE FIRST OF THOSE THREE IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION LATER TONIGHT.
SO TENTATIVE IS A VERY CONCEPTUAL, ROUGH DRAWING OF WHAT'S INTENDED.
IT'S NOT IN SO PRELIMINARY APPROVAL THAT WE REALLY START NAILING DOWN THE DETAILS ON THE BUILDING SIDE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
SO A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE JUST NOT YET KNOWN WHEN WE'RE DOING AN EARLY ZONING HEARING.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, YEAH, I, UH, A QUICK ONE, I NOTICED THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL RAIN GARDENS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S PART OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TOO.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE AREAS THAT ARE MARKED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, ARE THOSE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BASINS? ARE YOU PROPOSING BASINS THERE? YES.
NOW, WILL THEY BE DRAINED OUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN OR WILL THEY BE OVERFLOW TYPE ONES AND THEN HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
AND WE, I, WE, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BUFFERING AND, UH, ALL THE BUFFERING ON THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE VEGETATION.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY BERMING ANYWHERE RIGHT.
WHERE'S WHERE'S THE BERMING AT? UM, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT BUFFERING IN BIRMINGHAM MEANS? LIKE HOW HIGH AND LIKE WHAT'S THE, SO A BERM IS, UM, KIND OF A HILL, I GUESS, IS AN EASY WAY TO DESCRIBE THE CODE.
ISN'T SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW HIGH IT TALKS ABOUT A BURN.
UM, SO A BURN WILL BE BUILT AND THEN VEGETATED TREES PLANTED ON TOP OF IT BECAUSE THERE'LL BE PLANTED WITH THE BERM.
WHAT IS THE REASONING FOR BERM AND THESE AREAS VERSUS JUST BUFFERING BECAUSE IT'S YOUR CODE? I BELIEVE IT'S TO GET THE PLANTINGS UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND TO PROVIDE A LITTLE EXTRA, UM, TYPOGRAPHY IN ORDER TO RAISE THE TREES IN CHARLOTTE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE WATER DRAINAGE FOR THE HOUSES ON THAT? SO THAT THE WATER IS NOT IMPEDED AND IT FLOWS APPROPRIATELY AND IT WOULD WATER.
SO THE GRADING, THE CIVIL ENGINEER, AND I WOULD WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE LOCATION OF THE BERM.
AND THEN THAT THE GRADES WILL BE DONE.
SO THE WATER FLOWS AROUND IT AND IT DOESN'T POND ANY WATER.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, SORRY, I'M JUMPING IN THERE.
UM, YOU HAVE NO SIDEWALK OR NO TRAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SOUTH LOOP WHERE THERE ARE NO HOUSES HERE, BUT COULD THAT BE CONTINUED AS SOME KIND OF IT'S REALLY THE, NO, THERE ARE NO HOUSES THERE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET.
I DON'T NOTICE ANY WAY OF CROSSING HOPWOOD ON HERE.
DID YOU MENTION, THERE'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO CROSS HOPWOOD, BUT I'D SEE CROSS WALKS ALONG HOPWOOD NOT TO GET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION? I MEAN, THAT, THAT WILL COME AS IT WOULD WORK THROUGH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PROCESS WITH THE SIDEWALKS.
I MEAN, WITH THE, AND THEN BACK TO MY TIMELINE QUESTION, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T ANSWER IT TONIGHT, BUT WITH CONNECTING THIS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 29 IS THE LIGHTING TWO IS THE BAND A LIGHT THAT THE WHOLE WAY DOWN AND WHO'S MAINTAINING THE TRAIL, I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS AT SOME POINT.
WHEN DOES THAT LIGHTING GO IN? IS THE TRAIL DONE BEFORE THE HOUSING'S DONE? SO I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF ALL OF THEM ALL AS ONE PACKAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THE TIMELINE'S APPROPRIATE, BUT WE'RE NOT DONE AND PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO GO PLACES AND IT'S NOT FINISHED.
I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT.
ARE ANY OF THE FOUR PARTIES? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS? WAIT, HANG ON A SECOND, SIR.
YOU HAD NOT SOUGHT PARTY STATUS WHEN WE BEGAN THE HEARING.
UH, JOHN GENTILE, 1704 MORGAN LANE.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED ALISON ABOUT ADDITIONAL PARKING LOCATIONS, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHERE THERE WAS OR PLAN? CAUSE I DON'T SEE THEM ON THE PLAN REQUIRED.
OH, IT'S ON STREET PARKING, NOT AS NOT A PHYSICAL SITE OF PARKING.
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RESPECT TO BUFFERING, UM, CAN I BORROW YOUR, ON YOUR REAL QUICK? WE'LL PUT, OH, I GOT IT.SO THIS IS MY HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO BUFFERING AND I DO OBVIOUSLY APPRECIATE THE BUFFERING UP HERE AND OVER HERE, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF THE HOMES, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A, AN E AN ENTRANCE IN WITH LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY SHINE RIGHT THERE.
I HAVE CONCERN OF BUFFERING SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AND HEIGHTS OF BUFFERING.
I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR UP TO A FOUR FOOT BUFFER, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN SECONDS YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAUGHT YOU'RE RIGHT FROM BIRMINGHAM.
UM, MY PREFERENCE, AND I KNOW THOSE AROUND ME WOULD BE FOR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF BERMING ALONG THIS SECTION.
AND FOR ME, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO LIGHTS.
UM, SO I WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND MR. PRESIDENT I'M I'M, UH, I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE TIMING OF THESE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, THIS ISN'T THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.
THERE'S OTHER HEARINGS AFTER THIS IN SEPARATE TIMES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR CONDITIONAL USE ISSUE, BUT ON LAND DEVELOPMENT.
SO LAND DEVELOPMENT WITH RESPECT TO THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE DISGUSTED THOUGH? THE FIRST ONE IS TONIGHT IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH IS TENTATIVE APPROVAL.
THAT'S WHERE THE APPLICANT COMES IN WITH A PRE ENGINEERING ROUGH IDEA TO PRESENT TO EVERYBODY SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT'S COMING.
THEN THE NEXT HEARING IS PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, WHICH ARGUABLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PHASE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING IS ENGINEERED AND REALLY GETS BUTTONED DOWN.
AND THEN THERE'S FINAL APPROVAL WHERE THE APPLICANT SHOWS THAT THEY MET ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU PUT ON A PRELIMINARY, AND THOSE TWO WOULD BE AT A SEPARATE TIME.
AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE HERE FOR PRELIMINARY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU CAN TWEAK THE BUG SPRAY AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY AND BACK.
UM, SO THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW, ALISON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO SHOW BUILDING STYLES AT THIS, AT THIS STAGE TONIGHT, ARE YOU, UM, EARLIER WE HAD SHOWN A PRELIMINARY ELEVATION.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE.
THAT DOES GO BACK TO WHEN THE PRIOR, UM, EQUITABLE OWNER HAD THE PROPERTY UNDER AGREEMENT.
SO CERTAINLY YOUR, THERE IS AN ORDER.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
IT TALKS ABOUT UNIFORM STYLE, CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS LATER IN THE PROCESS AS WE MOVE THROUGH AND START REALLY DIGGING DOWN.
BUT NOT TONIGHT, THIS WAS REALLY JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE SOMETHING.
WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS.
CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO BE MET PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS POINTED OUT BY, UM, BY SOME OF US WAS THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTING I KNOW ALONG HOPWOOD ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, OR I'M SORRY, ALONG MORGAN LANE, LIKE THERE MIGHT BE FOUR LIGHTS IN A HALF MILE DISTANCE, AND YOU GUYS HAVE LIKE SEEMINGLY A LOT OF LIGHTS.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF ORDINANCE, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTING BE IT A JUDICIOUS AMOUNT.
SO IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO THE, UH, ADJOINING HOMES.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IT FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
HERE'S YOUR POINT? DO ANY OF THE OTHER, SIR? YUP.
HI, JOSEPH MCGINTY, 1708 MORGAN LANE.
UM, ONE IS, IS MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUFFERING AND THE BERMING.
UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UH, I AM ALSO ON MORGAN LANE, A LOT OF VERY OLD, VERY MATURE TREES RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE PART OF THE PROCESS AS WELL.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE TREES AND SOME OF THE WE'RE ACTUALLY STRADDLING THE PROPERTY LINES.
SECOND IS I KNOW THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WERE KIND OF PENDING NOW IN TERMS OF THE FISCAL, THE ELEVATION STREETLIGHTS, A FEW THINGS, IF THAT GETS APPROVED, LIKE, IS THAT STILL OPEN TO, TO BE ADDRESSED LATER? OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THIS TODAY, IS THAT STILL, IS IT RORY NOW, TECHNICALLY WE'RE IN QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS.
SO LET'S SEE FIRST WHETHER THE WITNESS CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND THEN WE CAN GO MORE BROADLY.
SO WE'RE GETTING TENTATIVE SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL.
THE NEXT STEP IS PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH ALL THE DETAILS OF THE LIGHTING, UM, PARKING LANDSCAPING,
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ET CETERA, BERMING, GRADINGS, STORMWATER WILL BE WORKED OUT AT THAT TIME.SO IT WILL HAVE MORE DETAILS AND, UM, UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CODE IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF POSSIBLY KEEPING SOME OF THE VERY MATURE OR GROWTH TREES.
AND THEN THE SECOND, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS JUST IN GENERAL, I GUESS SOME THINGS WERE PENDING THAT WILL BE REVIEWED, LIKE THE ELEVATION, SOME OF THE OTHER, OTHER ITEMS LIKE THEY, ALTHOUGH THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE AND THAT THIS GETS APPROVED, THAT STILL WILL BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION THIS, THIS APPROVAL.
IF IT WERE GRANTED WOULD SAY, YOU CAN BUILD TWINS HERE.
IT DOESN'T SAY HOW YOU BUILD THEM ONLY THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO.
IS THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS? IS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE RESIDENTS TO KIND OF SAY BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THEIR PRELIMINARY MEETING, WHAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN AND WHERE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS CAN COME UP TO THEM COMING UP AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING? WELL, I KNOW SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH JEFF BETWEEN MEETINGS AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE CALLED ME FROM TIME TO TIME AND THEY'RE ALWAYS FREE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT, OR I HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED.
I THINK THERE WAS ONE, BUT THOSE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME.
UM, TONIGHT STARTS THE OTHER PART OF THE PROCESS WITH THE TENTATIVE.
SO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED WOULD WANT TO STAY FOR THAT, TO SEEK, GET THE FIRST LOOK AT WHAT, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY WHAT IT'S, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT SINCE THIS HEARING IS ONLY FOCUSED ON WHETHER IT CAN BE BUILT.
THE PLANS ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY TO COME LOOK AT BETWEEN, BETWEEN THOSE HEARINGS.
NOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT'S I ALSO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I, WHEN WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT I ANNOUNCED WHAT PLANS I'D GOTTEN IN, SO THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD.
WHEN WE HAVE A NEW SET OF PLANS, COME IN, A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY.
IF IT'S ALL APPROVED TONIGHT IS WAITING ON THE APPLICANT TO GET THOSE PLANS TO US.
WE MAY NOT SEE THEM FOR, IT WOULD BE MONTHS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THEIR WORKLOAD.
AND THAT'S A GOOD REFERENCE TO THAT.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT AND GIVING MY ANSWER, UM, EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD FOR A VOTE GOES FIRST TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT THREE HEARINGS.
IT'S REALLY SIX, SIX DIFFERENT NIGHTS.
IF YOU WENT TO ALL THREE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THESE THREE.
UM, THERE WERE OTHER PARTIES THAT WANTED TO ASK, COME ON UP, SIR.
I KNOW WE'LL GET TO YOU CHRIS FALSE TECH, 15, 13 GREEN VALLEY DRIVE.
UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE ALLOWING PARKING IN THE STREET.
UM, I DON'T SEE ON THEIR MAP, UH, ANY HIGHER ON YOUR HYDRANTS AND HAVE YOU TAKEN TO ACCOUNT, UH, THE FIRE CHUCK EGRESS INTO THE AREA? UM, WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAILED LOCATION OF HIGH HYDRANTS AT THE NEXT STAGE.
AND I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT THERE'S ACCESS FOR FIRETRUCKS, BUT WE CAN SHOW TURNING RADIUS FOR THAT AT THE NEXT PHASE.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS THAT YOU DISCUSSED, UH, HAVING PEOPLE WALK ACROSS 29, UM, BEING THAT WE'RE ALREADY BRINGING A LARGE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES IN, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS DIRECTLY, UH, SPECIFIC FOR YOU, BUT IF WE'RE NOW INTRODUCING PEOPLE THAT ARE CROSSING 29, IS THAT ONLY GOING TO ADD TO THE TRAFFIC AND THE, AND THE ABILITY TO GET OUT OR DRIVE DOWN HOPWOOD OR EXCUSE ME, DOWN 29.
I THINK THAT'S A TRAFFIC QUESTION.
WE'RE STACKING UP QUESTIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER OF HE'S TAKING NOTES.
SO I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE THIS QUESTION WOULD FALL, BUT, UH, I MEAN, IN THE AREA, THERE'S NO OTHER TWIN HOMES IN THIS, IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE WHEN WE HAD A MEETING OR WHEN A MEETING WAS, THAT WOULD SAY THAT THIS TYPE OF HOME SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE TOWNSHIP THAT THIS CONDITIONAL USE HEARING THAT WE'RE HERE ON IS IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT FROM A MEETING, JUST FROM A MEETING OR FROM WHAT A GROUP OF PEOPLE SAID, IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AND IT BREAKS IT OUT BY SECTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE THIS MANY ACRES, YOU CAN DO THIS.
IF YOU HAVE THIS MANY ACRES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND THE TWINS ARE ALLOWED AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ACREAGE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ANY THAT HAPPENED TO BE RIGHT THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF, UH, LIKE THERE WAS A SPECIFIC MEETING JUST TO DO THAT FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS THAT THE, UM, THE TREES OR THE BUFFERS THAT YOU DECIDED TO CHOOSE, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE IN LINE WITH OTHER TREES AND THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THAT AREA? OR ARE YOU GOING TO JUST PUT LIKE A LOT OF NEWER DEVELOPMENTS PUT
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LIKE SMALL LITTLE PINE TREES? SO WE'LL BE MEETING THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.AND WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT, UM, UH, AS WAS DISCUSSED, UH, PRESERVATION OF WHAT, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES ON THE NORTH NORTHERN SIDE OF SOUTH OF OREGON LANE, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES THAT WE'RE LOOKING.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESERVATION OF EXISTING TREES IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF THE STEEP SLOPES AND, UM, ANY PRESERVATION OF MATURE TREES ALONG THIS EDGE.
WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR GRADING WORKS FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF GOING THROUGH PRELIMINARY PLAN AND STUDYING THE GRADING ON THE SITE TO SEE, UM, WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO PRESERVE.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO, IF THIS MEETING WORKS OUT AND SET YOUR FAVOR, UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE QUESTION OR THE ISSUE WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER TIME.
WHAT IF THAT ISSUE REQUIRES, IF, IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT ALLOWS YOU UNABLE TO PUT A MORE MATURE TREE AND YOU HAVE TO PUT, SAY A SUBPAR TREE, THE ORDINANCE HAS CERTAIN LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS SITE THAT WE WILL, UM, ADHERE TO.
UM, IF POSSIBLE, UM, ALONG THE AREAS I SHOWED YOU, WE WOULD, UH, ATTEMPT TO SAVE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF OUR GRADING PLAN AS WE DO OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND LAY THE SITE OUT.
UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING TO SEE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PRESERVE TREES.
UH LET'S LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE THE OTHERS FIRST, BEFORE WE CAN COME BACK TO, UM, UH, OR ANY OF THE OTHER TWO PARTIES THAT HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD WITH THE QUESTION? YOU HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YEAH.
MY NAME IS
IT IS A THAT'S THE BUILDING 2324.
THE FACT THAT THE FESTIVAL, MY GARAGE RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST, I HAVE A TWO CONCERNS OF ONE IS IT'S THE, THE, ANYTHING THEY PROTECT MY PRIVACY RIGHT NOW.
IT IS NO, NO, THERE ARE CRA MY, MY KARATE.
UH, AND THERE IS, IT LOOKS AT A NO LANDSCAPING IS ANYTHING THEY WILL BUTTE BETWEEN THERE.
YEAH, THERE THEY ARE FACING TO MY, UM, MY
UM, IS THIS YOUR HOUSE ON POINT? YES.
THAT'S MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND EDUCATION THERE NOW.
SO THERE'S NO TREES RIGHT NOW IN THERE.
SO THE PLAN I'M SHOWING THE AERIAL SHOWS EXISTING VEGETATION, HAS THIS BEEN REMOVED RIGHT IN HERE? W WHAT'S WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
AND THERE'S ONLY GRASS RIGHT NOW THERE, IF YOU HAVE NO TREES AND NO NUTRIENTS, THERE ARE THERE EXISTING TREES, EXISTING TREES, ALL REMOVED.
IT'S THE TREES ON MY PROMPT IS NO TREES.
IT'S NO TREES ON MY PROPERTY THERE.
THE OTHER BEAUTY IS THIS IS VERY, IS A BUDERUS THEY'RE ALREADY REMOVED LAST YEAR.
I AM, I'M MOVING IT'S LAST YEAR.
UM, SO THAT THERE IS NOTHING, BUT THERE'S THE, THE TREE, YOU KNOW, THE TREES ON THE, ON THE, ON THEIR VIEW, THE 23, 24 ON THE BACKYARD THERE, THEY SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE OF A TREE.
I DON'T KNOW THE NEW CONSTRUCT.
AND YOU REMOVE THOSE TREES, DESTROY THEM, OR STILL KEEP THEM ONLY.
WHY IS THE BIG TREE, BUT OTHERS AWESOME ARTISTS.
SO THEN IT'S JUST LIKE A PUSHES AND ALSO LOOK UP ANOTHER CONCERN IS YOU SAID YOU SHOULD BE 100 OR 100 THEATER AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY, RIGHT? LOOKS AT 2,324 IS ALREADY REACHED THERE.
THERE, THERE, THE TAKE IS THAT THE, DO THEY HAVE ANY BACKYARD FOR THE 2324? SO IT'S, THERE'S, IT'S ALL COMMON AREA.
THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC BACKYARDS FOR EACH UNIT.
UM, AND THE HOUSES ARE SET A HUNDRED FEET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO HERE, I'M SHOWING YOU THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO YOUR PROJECT, YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY, THEY'RE ALL SET UP A HUNDRED FEET BACK THE BUILDERS.
ANY LANDSCAPING OR TREES OR PLANT NUTRIENTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME PROPHECY FOR, SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A BUFFER, A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND A BERM.
UH, SO WHEN WE DESIGN IT AND DO THE GRADING BE ABLE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THERE.
THIS IS A LITTLE AHEAD OF THAT PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
THE LAST QUICK QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'M THE TRAP.
ONE, THIS A CONSTRUCTION STARTED,
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UM, THAT'S A ROAD ALL THE WAY.IT'S, IT'S, WHAT'S THE, I WISH THIS IS THE ADULT COULD BE BUILT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
OTHERWISE, EVERY DAY WE MIGHT GO OUT, IT'S ALL, ALL CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A COMMITTED, CONVENIENT AND FAST.
UM, IT'S, IT'S AN IN TIMELINE FOR THAT, FOR THE, FOR THE ROAD.
ALISON, YOU WANT TO CALL YOUR THIRD WITNESS? OH, WAIT, I'M SORRY.
UM, MR. GENTILE WANTED TO ASK ANOTHER UP QUESTION TO THE WITNESS, UH, TO, UH, MR. JAEGER'S COMMENT AND JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING HIS PROCESS.
SO IN THIS APPROVAL PROCESS TONIGHT, ARE YOU APPROVING THIS LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY AS A PART OF THE, OF AS, AS A PART OF CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, YOU ARE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GRANTING APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWINS, APPROXIMATELY AS SHOWN, BUT IT'S NOT THE APPROVAL OF A LAYOUT AS SUCH.
THEY DON'T, THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE A PENDING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
YOU DON'T EVEN, YOU COULD SEEK CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL WITHOUT EVEN HAVING THAT PENDING.
IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT THE ACTUAL APPROVAL OF THE LAYOUT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS LAYER.
AND MAYBE I SHOULD ADJUST THIS QUESTION TO YOU, ALISON, AND YOUR TEAM, THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS OVERALL STRUCTURE AND LAYOUT OF, OF THE A UNITS.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE ENGINEERING, SO THERE COULD BE TWEAKS, BUT I WOULD SAY GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT WE'RE PROPOSING ALSO, AS YOU HEARD, TESTIFIED TO PREVIOUSLY, THERE ARE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS ON THE UNITS THAT MAY ALIGN BEHIND YOUR HOUSE FOR THE DECLARATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE ADHERE TO EVEN IF WE HAD TO SLIGHTLY ADJUST THINGS, THE FINAL GRADING.
UM, ONE MORE WITNESS FROM JOE.
I MISSED ANOTHER HAND, I GUESS.
AND NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU GET THERE.
I I'M DOWN IF THIS IS WHERE I'M RIGHT DOWN HERE AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE DIAGRAMS TO THE TOPIC TOP OF THE GROUND THAT SHOWS THE SWELLS THAT WERE PUT IN WHEN WE MOVED HERE AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IT COMES DOWN HERE, THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY IS NOT USABLE.
THERE'S SO MUCH WATER TO COMES DOWN AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A BURN IN HERE BECAUSE THE SWALES RUN THIS WAY AND THEY DUMPED THE WATER DOWN TOWARD HOPWOOD ROAD.
AND THEN YOU PUT A BURN ACROSS THERE.
I HATE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WHEN WILL WE SEE THE PLAN FOR THAT? THIS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK, BUT MONDAY WHEN THEY AN APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, YES.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONE THAT HAS ALL OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF YOUR QUESTION.
AND REALLY MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED HERE TONIGHT.
UH, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE POINT AT WHICH THOSE THINGS GET DRILLED DOWN.
IS THAT IT'S A TON OF WATER COMING DOWN THERE.
AND AS I SAY, I CAN'T USE MY PROPERTY THE BACK OF IT AND YOU CAN'T WALK BACK THERE AND IT'S GOING TO COLLEGE VILLAINS GOING TO THE HOPWOOD ROADS.
UM, I'LL JUST MENTION TO YOU, YOU REPRESENT US.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IS THAT WHEN I MOVED THE, ALL THOSE HOMES UP THERE, WHEREVER THEY WERE, HOWEVER YOU OPERATE THIS THING, ALL THESE HOMES HERE, MINES DOWN THERE, WE PAID A PREMIUM FOR THAT PROPERTY.
WE HAD THOSE HOMES BUILT BECAUSE WE REZONED FOR ONE ACRE.
SO WE HAD THE ENVIRONMENT WE WANTED, WE'VE MADE AN INVESTMENT AND WE EXPECT IT FIVE HOMES BACK THERE, NOT 24 TOWNHOUSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IN A SENSE, I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE PERSON, BUT IN A SENSE, YOU'RE HARMING US FINANCIALLY FIRST WITH THE REZONING AND WITH THE MULTIPLE HOMES, I THOUGHT, I'D SEE SIX HOMES BEHIND ME.
NOW I WANT TO SEE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S 24, 48.
WE EXPECT YOU TO LOOK AFTER OUR INTERESTS AS WELL.
I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE LAW AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE MADE AN INVESTMENT THERE AND I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE PERSON, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU'RE GOING TO HARM US BY WHAT YOU'RE DOING FINANCIALLY.
AND AS FOR MYSELF, I WON'T LAY DOWN AND JUST ROLL OVER.
I KNOW THERE'S LITTLE I CAN DO WITH THE BUREAUCRACY THAT'S INVOLVED, BUT YOU ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
AND SO I'M GOING FROM SIX HOMES BEHIND ME TO 24 OR 48, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A FINANCIAL
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IMPACT ON ME.I'M NOT SURE YET, BUT I'LL FIND OUT.
SO I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THIS CONSIDER WHAT'S HAPPENING TO US HERE.
EVERY HOME, ALONG THAT HOPWOOD ALONG A MORGAN LANE PAID A SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT PREMIUM BECAUSE THEY HAD LARGEST LOTS AND THEY WERE SURROUNDED BY ONE ACRE ZONING.
AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN YOU GUYS HAD WAS EXCELLENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED IN HERE AND NOW YOU'RE DEVIATING FROM THAT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ME AND MY FINANCIAL INVESTMENT AND ET CETERA.
I GATHER THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE WATER ISSUES ON THE BACK OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU OWN SAY AGAIN, I SAY, I GATHER THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE WATER ISSUES ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
CAN I PUT A NEW SWELLING? IT'S IT'S GOING DOWN THE HOPWOOD ROAD.
IT WAS GOING STRAIGHT DOWN TO HUMP WOOD ROAD AND DOWN ON THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME.
AND I HAD TO PUT STONE SWALES AND TO GET SOME OVER IT OVER THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE.
BUT YEAH, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, I'M GOING TO GUESS 30 FEET ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT I CAN'T WALK ON AFTER A YEAR.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF WATER ROLLING DOWN TO COLLEGE HILL AND I LIVE WITH IT NOW, BUT I'M THINKING OF YOU PUT A BURN IN THERE, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA FOR PRIVACY AND ET CETERA, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT WATER.
UH, IT'S COMING DOWN FROM HOPWOOD ROAD IS COMING THE WHOLE WAY DOWN AND I'M DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM THERE.
SO IN ANY CASE OFF THE WATCH FOR THE RIGHT TIME, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE PLAN TO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DISPERSE THAT WATER, YOU HAVE JEFF, YOU HAVE PLANS OF WHERE THE SWELLS ARE RIGHT BEFORE THEY BUILD.
WELL, NOT SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT IN A SWELL, YOU DIDN'T COME IN NECESSARILY FOR A PERMIT.
SO WE DON'T TRACK DEVELOPMENT AS, AS YOU ALTER YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TRACK THAT OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY GO OUT AND THEY DO THEIR SURVEY WORK, THEY'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO CATCH WHAT SWELLS AND WHAT THE GEOGRAPHY OF THEIR PROPERTY IS.
AND WE WILL, WE WILL REVIEW THAT AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS YOUR PROPERTY.
TODAY, THE BUILDER THAT BUILT THOSE HOMES ON MORGAN LANE, HE PUT, HE HAD A PLAN THAT THE CA THAT THE COUNTY APPROVED, WELL, WE APPROVED IT TOO, BUT, BUT ALSO YOU'VE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR 20 SOME YEARS.
YOU'VE PUT IN MORE THINGS IN YOUR BACKYARD, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T THAT THAT ALTERS YOUR PROPERTY.
AND WELL, WE WILL CAPTURE SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THEIR PLANS, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC SURVEY WORK OF YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IF THEY BUILD THESE HOMES, CERTAINLY, I MEAN, OUR ENGINEER WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY WHAT IMPACT THE CURRENT RAINWATER AND STORM WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY AND ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND IF THEY'RE CALCULATING IT RIGHT? SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT.
OH, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY WHEN THAT PLAN SHOWS UP, IT WILL BE HERE.
YOU CAN COME IN AND YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND IF YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER, THEY'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND WHEN THEY REVIEW IT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR REVIEW LETTER.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
JEFF, WHEN, WHEN, BEFORE WE BUILD THIS, DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THE WATER FLOWS? AND WE GET AN OPINION? CAUSE NOW THERE'S LIKE A BUFFER BERM AND YES, THAT'S ALL REVIEWED WHAT I CALL HARD ENGINEERING.
ALL THE HARD ENGINEERING WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN STAGE.
AND THAT INCLUDES WHERE THE WATER COMES ONTO THE PROPERTY, WHERE THE WATER LEAVES THE PROPERTY, HOW THE WATER IS RETAINED, DETAINED ON THE PROPERTY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THE BEST SUGGESTION WOULD BE OFFERED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
THEY'LL TAKE THEIR BEST SHOT AT IT.
AND WE'LL RELY ON GILMORE ASSOCIATES LIKE WE HAVE FOR DECADES NOW TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING THE TOWNSHIP IN THE NEIGHBOR'S BEST INTERESTS.
HANG ON EACH TIME WE THINK WE'RE DONE.
MR. VAGNOZZI HAS A QUESTION OF THE LAST WITNESS.
UM, ALVIN NOSY, 1 28 PATRIOTS.
I HAVE A BUNCH OF THINGS, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE FIRMS, UM, HISTORICALLY AS A SUPERVISOR, WE DON'T, WE DON'T PLACE TYPICALLY DON'T PLACE BERMS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE ARE PLACED BETWEEN, UM, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
WE'VE DONE IT ON, UM, DOWN AT OAKS.
WE DID IT, WE PLACED IT UP BEHIND THE LEEDLE THE LYTLE, SORRY, LAURA, HOW I GOT THAT.
AND THEN, UH, WE DID THE ABOMINATION OVER BY WAGMAN'S THAT MONSTER SPERM, AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY UNSIGHTLY AND THEY DO HAVE WATER ISSUES.
UM, LIKE YOU SAID, MR. BREAKFAST, THEY DO.
AND, UH, I OPPOSE A BERM FOR THIS, FOR THIS, UM, PROPERTY.
THERE'S A 100 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THE HOMES AND THE PROPERTY LINES WILL MORGAN PLUS THERE ARE MORGAN LANE, THEY HAVE LARGE HOMES, SO THERE'S A 200 FOOT BUFFER PROBABLY BETWEEN THE HOMES AND A BUFFER
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AGAIN, IT'S IT? IT DOES CAUSE WATER ISSUES.THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN AND THERE'S A WIDE SWATH HERE AND, AND WE'VE HAD MEETINGS, WE'VE ALL BEEN IN MEETINGS TOGETHER.
UM, AND UM, THEY ORIGINALLY WANTED HIGH BERMS, BUT A BERM IS JUST REALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD THING, BUT IT GENERALLY IS.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WITNESS.
UM, NEXT I'D LIKE TO CALL RUSSELL LONG AND THERE WILL BE A FINAL OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO OFFER COMMENTS TO THE BOARD PRIOR TO ANY VOTE.
I DO, UH, RUSSELL TIMOTHY LONG, R U S S E L L L O N G.
UH, RUSS, WHO IS YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER? AND WHAT IS YOUR POSITION WITH THAT EMPLOYER? UH, CURRENT EMPLOYER IS BOJACK ENGINEERING.
AND WHY MISSING PENNSYLVANIA? AND I AM PROJECT MANAGER.
UM, ARE YOU ALSO A CIVIL ENGINEERING DESIGNER AND WORK ON BOTH SITE DESIGN AS WELL AS, UM, TRAFFIC ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT DESIGN? YES.
UM, AND DOES YOUR FIRM DO BOTH OF THOSE, UH, ENGINEERING DISCIPLINES, SO TO SPEAK BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE THINK ABOUT SITE ENGINEERING AS ONE THING AND TRAFFIC AS ANOTHER.
UM, AND WE HAVE YOUR, UH, CV MARKED AS EXHIBIT EIGHT.
UM, IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE TYPE OF PROJECTS YOU'VE WORKED ON, UM, AND WHETHER YOU'VE TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF OTHER BOARDS PERTAINING TO YOUR MAYBE EVEN WHAT LICENSES HE HOLDS.
WELL, HE, HE DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY HOLD A LICENSE.
UM, HE IS NOT THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, BUT HE IS THE SITE, UH, CIVIL DESIGNER, WELL AS DOING DESIGN WORK ON THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO HE WAS GOING TO SAY, HE'S, HE'S MORE, OBVIOUSLY HE HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN THE AVERAGE LAY PERSON, BUT I FEEL LIKE I PROBABLY DO NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE TO QUALIFY.
UM, I'VE HAD A, MORE THAN TWO DECADES OF CIVIL DESIGN, TRAFFIC DESIGN EXPERIENCE OF LARGE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AS WELL AS, UH, SEWER AND WATER PROJECTS.
UM, AND DO THEY ALSO INVOLVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN.
UM, AND, UH, YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON SEWER, YOU WERE REFERRING TO SANITARY SEWER, CORRECT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, YOUR CV MARKED AS EXHIBIT EIGHT, UM, WHICH OUTLINES A NUMBER OF THE PROJECTS, UH, THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO QUALIFY, UH, MR. LONG IN, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC DESIGN, I THINK FOR PURPOSES OF A ZONING HERE, A ZONING HEARING, SUCH AS A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING THAT PROBABLY IS ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO CARRY THE DAY.
IT MIGHT BE CLOSER IN, YOU KNOW, IN COMMON PLEAS COURT.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY ENOUGH QUALIFICATIONS TO TESTIFY HERE.
ALTHOUGH I WOULD OFFER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE FOUR PARTIES REGARDING QUALIFICATIONS.
I'LL BE ADMITTED AS AN EXPERT.
UM, RUSS, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY? ITS FEATURES, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA? YES.
UM, IS, AND WE TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT IS BODA YOUR COMPANY ALSO THE, UM, CIVIL ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT? YES.
UM, AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP ZONING ORDINANCE? YES.
UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON WATER AND SEWER, WHICH WE HAVE NOT TOUCHED ON REALLY AT ALL.
UM, POINTER WE'RE STILL REFERRING TO EXHIBIT A SEVEN, WILL THE DEVELOPMENT BE SERVED BY BOTH PUBLIC SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER? YES.
UM, AND IF YOU COULD FIRST, UM, WITH REFERENCE TO EXHIBIT A SEVEN, IDENTIFY WHERE PUBLIC SEWER WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE SITE? UH, YES.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A SMALL PUBLIC SEWER LINE THAT RUNS DOWN HOPWOOD ROAD AND JOINS RIGHT HERE IN THE DINING, BROOKE TINY WAY, A PUBLIC SEWER.
AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THEN THE MAIN WOULD BE EXTENDED UP AND SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND IS THAT, UH, SEWER PROVIDED TO THE SITE THROUGH TOWNSHIP COLLECTION AND CONVEYING SYSTEM WITH, UM, TREATMENT AND DISPOSAL AT THE LOWER PERKIOMEN VALLEY? REGIONAL SEWER AUTHORITY? YES.
UM, W IF YOU COULD THEN TOUCH ON WHERE WATER WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE SITE? UH, YES.
ACCORDING TO PA AMERICAN, THEY OWN A, NOT SURE IF IT'S AN EIGHT OR 10 INCH MAIN THAT RUNS THIS WAY UP HOPWOOD THE ENTIRE FACE
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OF THE PROPERTY.AND SO THEN YOU WOULD EXTEND THAT MAIN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PERFECTLY.
UM, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO PENNSYLVANIA AMERICAN WATER COMPANY AND HAVE THEY CONFIRMED FOR YOU VERBALLY, UM, THAT THERE IS WATER AVAILABLE TO THE SITE? YES.
UM, AND WILL ALL UTILITIES BE PLACED UNDERGROUND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE Y IMU PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? YES.
UM, NOW YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TONIGHT.
SO NEXT I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST TOUCH ON AND WALK THE BOARD THROUGH GENERALLY, UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED CONCEPTUALLY AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THIS SITE.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, PARTS OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
THERE'S A DETENTION BASE IN HERE.
THIS IS ANOTHER DETENTION BASED ON ABOVE GROUND GRASS LINE.
ALSO, THERE ARE SMALL RAIN GARDENS, WHICH WILL GRASS LINE FOR THE MOST PART, CONTAIN SOME WETLAND TYPE MATERIALS FOR, UH, UH, FOR WATER MANAGE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THERE'S ONE HERE, THERE'S ONE THERE AND HERE AND HERE.
UH, ALL OF THESE AREAS ARE ALSO THERE'S THE OTHER RAIN GUARD RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE ALSO BEING TESTED FOR INFILTRATION CAPABILITY, SO THAT WE'LL RETURN SOME OF THE WATER TO THE GROUND PER DP REQUIREMENTS.
AND WHEN YOU TOUCH ON DEP, UH, WOULD NOT, NOT ONLY WOULD THE TOWNSHIP REVIEW THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN AS IN TOUCHED ON TONIGHT, BUT WOULD YOU ALSO NEED AN NPDS PERMIT FROM THE PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON MORE SO FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, JUST WHAT AN NPDS PERMIT IS JUST BRIEFLY, UH, NATIONAL POLLUTION, DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM.
IT IS GEARED TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS DIRTY WATER.
IF YOU BUILD THAT LEAVES A SITE, UH, IT KEEPS THE CONTAMINANTS LOCAL SO THEY CAN BE ABSORBED INTO THE GROUND.
UH, DP HAS A VERY LONG LIST OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MUST MEET IN ORDER TO OBTAIN AN MPDS PERMIT.
UM, AND WOULD THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY THEN BE MAINTAINED LONG-TERM BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WOULD THE, WOULD THE, UM, OWNER BE REQUIRED TO ENTER INTO A TOWNSHIP STORMWATER OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AS WELL AS THE COVENANT THAT DEP REQUIRES TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY AND THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, WAS YOUR OFFICE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PREPARATION OF WHAT WE HAVE MARKED AS EXHIBIT 89, WHICH IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR 1 24 YERKES ROAD AND 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD DATED JULY, 2021? YES.
UM, AND WITH REFERENCE TO 1 24 YERKES ROAD, IS THAT THE OTHER PROJECT, THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO YOU TONIGHT? UM, SO YOUR, YOUR OFFICE WAS CHARGED WITH PUTTING TOGETHER A JOINT TRAFFIC STUDY.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, AND HAS THAT TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN REVIEWED, UM, BOTH BY THE PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AS WELL AS MCMAHON ASSOCIATES, THE TOWNSHIP TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UM, AND EVEN THOUGH HOPWOOD ROAD IS NOT A PENN DOT ROAD, IT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT STUDY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD QUESTIONS TONIGHT, THIRD TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT RELATE TO BOTH.
IS THAT, IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WAS DONE? CORRECT.
UM, AND HAVE YOU ALSO REVIEWED EXHIBIT A FOR THE DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS PERTAINING TO HOPWOOD ROADS? YES.
UM, AND DOES THE, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ENCOMPASS THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO PROCEED PER THE DECLARATION? YES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC EXHIBIT AS IT RELATES TO ALL OF THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE REALLY DRIVEN BY AND SHOWN ON THE YERKES PLAN.
BUT IF YOU COULD BRIEFLY TOUCH ON FOR THE BOARDS SINCE THERE'VE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY INCLUDED ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I DO HAVE THE HELPFUL FOR YOU.
DO YOU HAVE THE SUMMER? LET'S SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG, UH, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD FOR THE YERKES PROJECT INVOLVE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UH, CROSSWALKS WITH THEIR OWN SIGNALS, UH, TO THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, TURNING LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FOR ACCESS TO BOTH THE YORKIE SITE AND THE HOPWOOD ROAD, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OF THE YERKES ROAD AND COLLINSVILLE ROAD INTERSECTION AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OLD COLLEGE VILLE ROAD INTERSECTION WITH THE HOPWOOD AND
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YOUR, UH, COLLEGE HILL ROAD INTERSECTION.UM, AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO, ARE THERE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, SOME OF WHAT'S LISA TOUCHED ON, UM, TRAIL IMPROVEMENT, INCLUDING A, A DESIGNED REFUGE AT THE CROSSOVER OF 29 HOPWOOD ROAD.
UH, AS WE SPOKE EARLIER, THE TRAIL WILL CONNECT THE SIDEWALK HERE.
MORGAN LANE TRAIL STARTS, COMES DOWN CROSSWALK HERE, DOWN THIS SIDE, A CROSSWALK HERE AROUND AND CONNECTS WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT EXISTS HERE, UH, IN THIS INTERSECTION, THE SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE CONTINUES DOWN FOR A LITTLE WAYS, AND WE WILL CONNECT TO THE END OF THAT SIDEWALK RIGHT BEFORE THE UNNAMED TRIBUTARY TO THE DONNY BROOK.
AND THEN THAT WILL CROSS OVER 29 TO A PEDESTRIAN SAFEWAY THAT HAS A ADA RAMPS THAT WILL CONTINUE ACROSS 29 AND THEN, UH, BRANCH TO, UH, TO THE SOUTH, TO THE YERKES DEVELOPMENT BRANCH TO THE NORTH, UH, TO THE NORTH, ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
THAT IS YOU'RE AT A DINING BROOKE.
AND THEN IT WILL TURN TOWARDS THE PERKIOMEN TRAIL THROUGH THE YORKIES DEVELOPMENT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PERKIOMEN TRAIL.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHEN I SAY THIS PROJECT, THE ONE THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION HOPWOOD ROAD, IS THERE ALSO A SPECIFIC ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROPOSED FOR HOPWOOD ROADS? YEAH.
THE, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENT HERE FOR HOPWOOD ROAD IS TO SOFTEN THIS CURVE HERE WITH THIS MUCH LARGER CURVE HERE TO, UH, MAKE THE TRANSITION EASIER.
ALSO THE, THIS CURVE HERE AND THIS CURVE WILL BE SOFTENED SLIGHTLY TO ALLOW FOR BETTER TRANSITION HERE, UH, FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, COULD YOU BE SLIGHTLY MORE SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF STARTING YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY STARTING FROM THE SOUTH AND WORKING UP AND DOES THE AERIAL SHOW WHERE THE EXISTING HOPWOOD ROAD IS TODAY THAT YOU WOULD BE ADJUSTING? YEAH, THE EXISTING HOPWOOD ROAD IS THIS PIECE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE VERY, IT'S A STRAIGHT SECTION HERE, AND THAT WILL BE REALIGNED TO BE THIS ARCH.
AND IS THE, UM, IS THAT REALIGNMENT PREDOMINANTLY PUSHING SOMEWHAT INTO WHAT WE'LL CALL THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOPWOOD ROAD PROPERTY? YEAH, THE MAJORITY OF THIS REALIGNMENT WILL OCCUR ON OUR, ON THE 1 72 HOPWOOD PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU PROCEED SORT OF NORTHWEST, UM, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL SOFTENING OF THE CURVE.
ADDITIONAL SOFTENING OF THE CURVE HERE, ALONG WITH THE WIDENING AS WE GO UP AND ALLOW FOR TURNING LANES AND FURTHER NORTH, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF SOFTENING HERE AND WIDENING AS WE GO BACK UP TO WHERE IT EXISTS, UH, CURRENTLY WITH MORTON LANE.
UM, AND DID MCMAHON ASSOCIATES IS YOUR REVIEW LETTER FROM THIS PROJECT DATED JUNE 8TH, 2022.
AND DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT LETTER? YES.
UM, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAIVERS THAT WE POTENTIALLY THINK WE MIGHT NEED THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT PARTICULAR LETTER, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, AND I KNOW THOSE ARE MORE SUBDIVISION LAND DEVELOPMENT RELATED, BUT, UM, SO WE CAN TOUCH ON THEM AT THAT TIME.
AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMENTS IN THERE ABOUT APPROPRIATE SCOPE AND DETAILS, UM, THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR THE HOPWOOD ROAD DESIGN.
AND YOU WOULD WORK WITH MCMAHON ON THOSE.
UM, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 180 2 DASH 2 0 4 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? YES.
AND IN YOUR OPINION, DOES THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE COMPLY WITH THE STANDARD OF AFFECTION? YES.
I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LONG.
AND I, I WOULD JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE IN CONNECTION WITH SOME OF THE TESTIMONY, WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS COME IN AND IF PRELIMINARY FINAL EACH TIME THEY GET DISTRIBUTED OUT TO THE TOWNSHIP STATE, UH, CONSULTANTS, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, CIVIL ENGINEERING, JEFF, AS THE PLANNER, ME AS THE ATTORNEY, THOSE CONSULTANTS COME BACK WITH LETTERS WHERE THEY'VE REVIEWED EVERYTHING AND THEY SAY, HERE'S OUR COMMENTS.
THOSE ARE, THOSE LETTERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR WORLD BECAUSE THOSE LETTERS SET THE STAGE FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF APPROVALS.
THOSE LETTERS HAVE ALL THE HARD DETAILS THAT EVERYBODY'S ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT.
SO I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN, WHEN ALISON ASKS ABOUT, DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER FROM MCMANN? I WANT TO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THAT? IT MEANS THAT MCMAHON ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE TOWNSHIP REVIEWED THE PLAN TO OFFER COMMENTS THAT LOOK OUT FOR THE TOWNSHIP'S INTERESTS.
THOSE REVIEW LETTERS ARE, ARE WHAT ARE INCLUDED IN OUR APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS.
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THOSE ARE WHAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH MOVING FORWARD.SO THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE REFERENCE TO THE LETTERS.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.
I HAVE A COUPLE, UH, ON THE, WHERE THE SEWER LINE COMES UP.
NOW YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS A SMALL, IS THAT GOING TO NEED TO BE IMPROVED TO CONNECT? SMALL WAS PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD.
SHORT WOULD PROBABLY BEEN THE BETTER.
IT ONLY, IT ONLY EXTENDS UP TO A CERTAIN POINT HERE THEN EXTENDED THE REST OF THE WAY.
SO WHAT IS THAT LIKE AN EIGHT INCH MAIN, I BELIEVE IT'S AN EIGHT INCH MAIN.
UM, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SOFTEN THE CURVE? AND I ACTUALLY, I GUESS, RELOCATE THE ROAD.
WILL YOU BE REMOVING THE EXISTING ASPHALT, UH, WHERE THE OLD ROAD WAS? ESSENTIALLY? I WOULD ASSUME SO, BUT FURTHER DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE NEEDED ON WHAT, WHAT WE END UP DOING WITH THIS AREA.
ONCE THE ROAD IS REALIGNED DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, UTILITY COMPANIES, THERE IS A GAS MAIN IN THAT PART OF THE ROAD AND THE WATER MAIN IS THERE ALONG WITH THE LIGHT, OVERHEAD ELECTRIC.
ALL THOSE PARTIES WILL HAVE TO BE PART OF A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT WE DO WITH THAT EXTRA PIECE.
AND WILL WE SEE THAT IN THE PRELIMINARY? YES.
YOU HEARD ME ASK EARLIER ABOUT TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS ON 29.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, WILL THERE BE ANY SECTION OF ROUTE 29 THAT ENDS UP JUST HAVING ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION? I BELIEVE AS WE COME DOWN FROM COLLEGE HILL TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION, THERE'S A SINGLE LANE CURRENTLY THAT WILL SPLIT INTO TWO LANES AS IT APPROACHES THE, UH, THE NEW INTERSECTION.
THEN THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AS TWO LANES AND UP THE HILL TOWARDS 4 22.
WHEN YOU SAY TWO LANES, YOU MEAN TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS? YES.
THE TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS DOWN TO THE LIGHT AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE LIGHT TOWARDS PERKIOMEN WOODS, TWO LANES, HOW FAR DOWN THERE WILL THE, WHETHER IT BE TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, EXACT DISTANCE, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE TO LOOK AT A PLAN.
I DON'T HAVE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT I WANT TO, I, I, MY, MY PURPOSE, MY, JUST TO MY QUESTION IS TO GET TWO LANES OF GOING DOWN THERE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, WE HAVE UPPER PROVIDENCE COMES INTO THIS AREA WITH TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
COLLEGEVILLE COMES INTO THIS AREA WITH TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BOTTLENECK THERE TO JUST SEEMS TO, YOU KNOW, THROUGH TRAFFIC UP.
AND I'M JUST INTERESTED IN GETTING IT SO THAT THERE'S TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? THERE ARE TWO LANES OF BOTH DIRECTIONS AT THE INTERSECTION THAT WE ARE IMPROVING.
YEAH, NO, IT DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COLLEGE FIELD ORDER.
WELL, HOW DO I GET YOU GUYS TO DO THAT? FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S AN OFFSITE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT.
THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE BEYOND WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING.
YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING AN EXTRA $2 MILLION FOR YOUR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE STATE.
THE SCOPE OF THE SCOPE OF THE OVERALL IMPROVEMENT HAS ACTUALLY INCREASED FROM THE ORIGINAL TIME THAT MR. SILVER LOOKED AT IT.
UM, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL, THERE ARE TWO CULVERTS THAT ARE BEING REPAIRED AND THERE IS ADDITIONAL WIDENING THAT'S INCLUDED.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THERE IS A POINT WHEN THE PROJECT DOESN'T BECOME FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO DO THE ENTIRE WIDENING ALL THE WAY TO COLLEGE THOUGH, EVEN WITH GRANT MONEY.
I MEAN, THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LOT SINCE, YOU KNOW, PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO IT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
I THINK THE TOWNSHIP RECEIVED A COPY OF IT RELATED TO ALL OF THE GRANT IMPROVEMENT MONEY.
THE ENTIRE ROUTE WAS THE GRANT TEAM.
HOW DO I GET YOU TO DO THAT? DO I JUST, DO I VOTE? NO.
I MEAN, I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS A GENERAL STATEMENT AND THINK YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE.
I THINK I'VE ANNOYED YOU WITH THIS BEFORE.
UM, YOU, YOU CAN NOT REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO MAKE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY CAN ONLY BE REQUIRED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR SITE OR EITHER THROUGH A HIGHWAY OCCUPANCY PERMIT.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE STATE HAS BROUGHT HER POWER THAN, THAN YOU DO, OR UNDER ACT 2 0 9 IDENTIFIED INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE PAYMENT, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE AN APPLICANT MAKE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
NOW, THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE IT OCCASIONALLY HAPPENS WHERE AN APPLICANT AGREES TO DO THAT, AND BECAUSE THEY NEED HELP WITH SOME OTHER PART OF IT.
AND THERE'S, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALKING
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AND WORKING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM.AND THEY'LL OCCASIONALLY AGREE TO MAKE AN OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENT, BUT THEY CAN'T BE COMPELLED TO DO SO.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE DOING OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY AS PART OF THE EUROPEAN PROBLEM.
NOT EVERYTHING IS ON THE FRONT, I GET IT.
BUT MY, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN THERE.
UH, YOU'VE ALREADY TESTIFIED THAT YOU'RE A STORM WATER GUY HERE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.
WE HAD A GENTLEMEN SPEAK UP A LITTLE WHILE AGO ABOUT WATER GOING DOWN THE BACK OF THAT BURN THERE.
CAN YOU ADDRESS HIS ISSUE? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
I MEAN, SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY STUDIED THE STORMWATER, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.
UM, WITH THE, THE SITE DOES DRAIN IN A GENERAL DIRECTION OF THIS WAY DOWN TOWARDS HOPWOOD FROM MORGAN.
SO WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF A BERM, UH, OF ANY KIND ALONG THIS AREA, WE'LL NEED TO APPLY SOME, UH, STORM WATER CONTROLS THERE THAT WOULD CAPTURE THAT WATER BEFORE IT CAME.
UH, EITHER WHERE BEFORE WOULD EITHER COME TO THE BACKS OF THESE HOUSES OR BEFORE IT WOULD RUN OFF THIS SIDE, UH, THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS THE, YOU MUST CONTROL THE WATER THAT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY.
SO IT DOESN'T DAMAGE SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
SO WE WOULD COLLECT ANY OF THE WATER THAT CAME ONTO OURS BEFORE IT WOULD FALL OFF THIS SIDE IN THE COLLECTION AID AND THEN DO A COLLECTION FACILITY AND INLET SOME PIPES.
AND, UH, EVENTUALLY IT WOULD, WOULD END UP IN THIS SPACE IN HERE TO BE MANAGED.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU'RE PUTTING A BERM UP ALONG THAT WHOLE BACK PROPERTY, THEIR WATER'S COMING DOWN, THEY'RE HITTING A BURMAN RUNNING OFF ON HIS PROPERTY.
ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL THAT THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THAT IS YET TO BE SEEN? ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL THE WATER GOING ON THAT GUY'S PROPERTY? I NEED TO LOOK CLOSER AT THE CONDITION OF THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY AND WHERE THE WATER IS GOING AND WITH THE PROPER GRADING ON OUR PROPERTY, WE CAN CONTROL THAT WATER THAT IS ON OUR PROPERTY HERE SO THAT IT DOESN'T GO OFF ONTO HIS PROPERTY.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL THE WATER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OFF OF THAT BERM AND HIS PROPERTY? YES, WE'LL PUT IT IN WE'LL, WE'LL DIRECT IT WITH THE USES OF, UH, INLETS PIPES OR SWALES, SO THAT IT GETS INTO ONE OF THE SEVERAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
YEAH, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, MR. BARCLAY MENTIONED THAT THIS LAND WAS REZONED, AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF, WAS IT REZONED? YES, IT WAS RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.
AND AS PART OF THE, UM, YERKES MIXED USE THE APARTMENTS AND, UM, DEVELOPMENT ALONG 29, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT THIS WAS, THIS PARCEL WAS INCLUDED IN THAT, IN THAT REZONING, BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
DO ANY OF THE FOUR PARTIES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS ONE UP, SIR? UM, SO CHRIS FALLS, SEC 15, 13 GREEN VALLEY DRIVE.
UH, MY HOME IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE.
DID YOU, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DID YOU SAY YOU WERE PUTTING A BERM IN THIS AREA AS WELL? I BELIEVE SO WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE TO PUT A BERM THERE, UH, AND THE LOCATION IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
THE EXACT LOCATION IS YET TO BE DETERMINED AND SIMILAR TO WHAT I WAS SAYING ON THE OTHER PROPERTY.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE WILL NEED TO ADDRESS HOW THE BERM IS PLACED SO THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY UNDER STORM WATER FLOWING ONTO YOUR PROPERTY OR A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY OF YOURS.
SO FOR THE MITIGATION EFFORTS, HOW DID, HOW WERE THE DESIGNS WERE THEY DESIGNED FOR, UH, DOES GENERAL CURRENT STANDARDS, OR WOULD THE STANDARDS UPDATED FOR, UM, THAT YOU DESIGNED TO IN REGARDS TO IRMA AND THE ADDITIONAL WATER THAT'S COMING WITH MORE FREQUENT STORMS LIKE THAT? CURRENTLY THE ONLY GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE, OR THE TOWNSHIPS ORDINANCE FOR STORM WATER AND ANY REQUIREMENT THAT DP WOULD HAVE THROUGH THEIR MPDS PERMIT PROCESS.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE EFFORTS THAT YOU USE COULD STILL NOT MITIGATE THE WATER THAT'S COMING DOWN IN THIS DIRECTION, WHICH WOULD THEN FORCE THE WATER ONTO
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BOTH MY NEIGHBORS PROPERTY, MY PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTIES OF THE RESIDENCES OVER HERE.ONE OF DPS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MPDS PERMIT IS THAT WE DO NOT DISCHARGE STORMWATER ONTO ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE PIPING THAT BROUGHT THAT STORM WATER COLLECTED HERE INTO THESE RESERVOIR AREAS.
AND WHERE IS THESE? WHERE ARE THESE RESERVOIR AREAS GOING TO BE DISCHARGING THE WATER? AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE CREEK THAT IS LOCATED DOWN HERE? SURE.
UH, AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH THIS TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE AND DP, AGAIN, UH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO REDUCE THE RATE VOLUME OF THE WATER THAT WE COLLECT DUE TO THE INCREASE IN PREVIOUS AREAS.
SO AS WE REDUCE THE RATE AND VOLUME OF THAT WATER, THE NET VOLUME OF WATER WILL BE LESS THAN IT WAS BEFORE OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE WILL BE RELEASING LESS WATER INTO THE CREEK AND ULTIMATELY LESS WATER WILL RUN OFF ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT IS NOW, UH, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW MY, MY QUESTION WAS ADDRESSED.
WHERE IS THIS WATER GOING TO GO INTO THE CREEK? BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE GOING TO REDUCE THE WATER GOING INTO THE CREEK.
IF YOU'RE COLLECTING MORE WATER HERE, HERE, AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, THAT'S BEING BUILT UP HERE THROUGH ROADWAYS.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW YOU'RE REDUCING THE WATER WHEN NORMALLY IT WOULD SATURATE INTO THE GROUND, UH, THE IDEA BEHIND THE POTENTIAL FACE AND THIS TO COLLECT THE WATER UNDER CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS AND RELEASE IT SLOWLY RATHER THAN ALL AT ONCE.
BUT AGAIN, YOU JUST, YOU JUST MENTIONED TO ME THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE RELEASING LESS WATER, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.
YOU'RE JUST RELEASING IT OVER A SLOWER PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT WITH THE INFILTRATION REQUIREMENTS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE, THE VOLUME OF WATER WILL BE LESS.
ANY OTHER PARTY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MANY OF THE OTHER CITIZENS? MA'AM KAREN GENTILE, 1704 MORGAN LANE.
I JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION, CORRECT ME IF I'M CORRECT OR WRONG, BUT COMING OFF OF 29, GOING INTO COLLEGE BILL COMING FROM WHITEMAN IS GOING INTO COLLEGE BILL THERE'S PRESENTLY TWO LANES.
IT GOES DOWN INTO ONE LANE, RIGHT BY YERKES.
THEN YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO TWO LANES AT THE SITE OF THE BOTTOM OF HOPWOOD, AND THEN BACK TO ONE LANE INTO COLLEGE BILL, IS THAT GOING TO BE ALL TWO LANES COMING? IT'S GOING, SO WHERE NARROWS DOWN TODAY, THAT WOULD BE WINE THAT YERKES AND THEN IT'LL GO THROUGH OUR SITE.
WE'RE JUST NOT CONTINUING IT ALL.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE TWO LANES THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.
YOU'RE GOING TO WIDEN IT 2, 1, 2 AT THE SITE BACK TO ONE, RIGHT? OKAY, THANKS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE? I DON'T.
I JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH MAKING ONE COMMENT THAT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BERMS, UM, THE ORDINANCE REFERENCES BERMS, BUT ULTIMATELY WHATEVER DECISION SHOULD THE BOARD WANT TO THE BERMS REQUIREMENTS WEARING LAND DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD EVERYONE DECIDE THEY WANT A BERM? W WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW CODE.
UM, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE IT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WE'RE REFERENCING THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CRITERIA FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.
SO I KNOW IT CAUSED A LOT OF DISCUSSION, SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH.
YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT OVERLAP IN CONDITIONAL USE HEARINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT LAND DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.
AND THERE'S A NATURAL PUSH PULL WITH THAT, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
WELL, YOUR EXHIBITS, UH, A ONE THROUGH EIGHT, NINE ARE ADMITTED.
UM, W DO ANY OF THE PARTIES HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY WISH TO TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE THAT THEY WISH TO MAKE A PART OF THE RECORD? SORRY.
UH, JOHN GENTILE, 1704 MORGAN LANE.
I'M NOT SURE MR. RESIDENTS, THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR TESTIMONY, BUT I DID WANT TO ADDRESS THIS, UM, ONGOING DISCUSSION REGARDING BERMING.
UM, SO WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENT THAT BERMING IS NOT TRADITIONALLY DONE IN THIS TOWNSHIP BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, IT'S DONE
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BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.IF SOMEBODY BUYS A HOUSE AND YOU'RE A BUDDING UP AGAINST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHILE YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO TO, UM, MR. BARKLEY'S COMMENT ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF, UM, MONEY THAT WAS PAID FOR, UH, THE HOUSES ON MORGAN LANE, UH, BUDDING UP TO HOPWOOD FARM.
WE BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES WHEN IT WAS ZONED R ONE, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE FORESEEN HAPPENING TO US.
IT WAS BASICALLY FORCED UPON US.
SO WITH RESPECT TO BIRMING AND CONSIDERATIONS, WITH RESPECT TO BIRMING, THE THING THAT I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IMMEDIATELY IMPACTED, NOT SOMEBODY, A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY, AND CERTAINLY NOT CONSIDERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO TRADITIONAL PROCESSES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP OF BERMING, BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND, UM, AND RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THERE'S A DIFFERENT, UM, SITUATION HERE.
AND I JUST HOPE YOU APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL CLOSING COMMENTS BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
I EXPLAINED IT TO BEGINNING, CONDITIONAL USE SITS IN BETWEEN USES YOU CAN'T DO IT AND USE IT.
YOU CAN DO IF YOU SATISFY ADDITIONAL CRITERIA.
BUT THE LAW SAYS IS IF THE APPLICANT PROVES THAT THEY MEET THOSE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA, THEN THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THE RELIEF.
IT'S NOT CONDITIONED ON WHETHER THE BOARD LIKES THE JOB OR DOESN'T LIKE THE JOB, OR WHETHER THE PUBLIC LIKES THE JOB, OR DOESN'T LIKE THE JOB.
IF THEY MEET THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THE REQUESTED RELIEF UNLESS OPPONENTS COME FORWARD WITH SUFFICIENT CONTRARY EVIDENCE, WHICH OF WHICH THERE ISN'T ANY REALLY PRESENTED TONIGHT.
MOST OF THE QUESTIONS REALLY ARE LEGITIMATE LAND DEVELOPMENT CONCERNS, AND IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED.
UM, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE IS ITS OWN SEPARATE THING UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND, UH, THE OBLIGATION OF THE BOARD, UH, WHEN THE, UM, CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET IS PRETTY CLEAR IN THE LAW.
NOW, WHETHER THEY'VE MET ALL THE CRITERIA, I'M SUMMARIZING IT TO SAY IT WOULD APPEAR.
SO LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA LAID OUT ON MY SCREEN AND ALISON TOOK THEM THROUGH EACH OF THOSE CRITERIA WITH UNCONTRADICTED TESTIMONY THAT THEY MEET THOSE, UM, THAT SAID THE BOARD DOES NOT HAVE TO VOTE TONIGHT.
IF ASSUMING WE ARE CLOSING THE HEARING, THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR.
WE HAVE A WAY WAVING HAND FROM THE BACK, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
MAYBE THE EVIDENCE IS NOT QUITE CLOSED, BUT WHEN THE EVIDENCE IS CLOSED, WE HAVE 45 DAYS IN WHICH FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION, WE CAN ALSO DELIBERATE PRIVATELY TONIGHT BEFORE YOU DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, OR WHETHER YOU IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DEFER.
UM, SO I WANTED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE PROCEDURALLY WHERE WE ARE.
UM, MR. VAGNOZZI HAS SOMETHING HE WISHES TO ADD.
SORRY FOR EXTENDING THIS, BUT I WOULDN'T BE BRIEF.
UM, THE DEVELOPER RE REQUESTED A RELIEF OR A RELIEF TO NOT PUT SIDEWALKS IN ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
I MAY HAVE SEEN THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, UNLESS THEY AGREE TO REMOVE THAT WE EITHER HAVE SIDEWALKS, OR WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA TWICE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE HERE IS, UM, UM, WE HAVE THE YERKES PROJECT IN THIS PROJECT AND WE'VE THEY'RE RELATED AND I WOULD JUST LIKE THEM AND JEFF TO CONSIDER YOU GUYS ALL THE MONEY.
I KNOW YOU NEED TO RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT AWAY ISSUES.
JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO GAP AT DONNYBROOK.
CAUSE IT STARK DOWN THERE AND IT CREATES KIND OF WAVY AS YOU KNOW.
SO IF YOU CAN WORK ON A LIGHTENED PLAN THAT CONNECTS BOTH DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN PUT A MAN ON THE MOON.
YOU CAN PUT SOME LIGHT IN BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS, MAYBE A HUNDRED YARDS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, ONE LAST THING, WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE PRICE POINT IN THE HOME BROCCOLI WITHOUT THROWING UP.
WE'RE WE'RE UM, THE RECORD IS CLOSED AS TAR IN TERMS OF THE RECEIPT OF ANY EVIDENCE.
NOW THE PARTIES HAVE COME FORWARD WITH, UH, ANY EVIDENCE, BUT THERE ARE, THERE IS STILL AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO, TO MAKE ANY COMMENT THAT THEY WISH TO MAKE, UH, REGARDING THE PENDING APPLICATION, WHETHER YOU'RE A PARTY OR NOT.
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WE'LL ASK FOR THE PARTIES FIRST, CHRIS FALSETTO, 15, 13 GREEN VALLEY DRIVE.I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, UM, WHEN THE REZONING HAD HAPPENED FOR THE YERKES DRIVE, WERE ALL THE RESIDENTS SUPPOSED TO BE NOTIFIED OF THAT REZONING? BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I WAS NOTIFIED THE REZONING WAS PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
HOW WAS THAT ADVERTISED? BECAUSE I'VE RECEIVED A LETTER IN THE MAIL THIS TIME, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A LETTER IN THE MAIL FOR THE LAST TIME IT WAS ADVERTISED, POSTED, AND MAIL.
AND IF WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT LETTER, I WAS MORE THAN THREE YEARS AGO.
AGAIN, IF I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT LETTER, WHAT, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW IT IS THAT PROCESS COULD HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITHOUT NOTIFYING ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
I KNOW WE NOTIFIED WITHIN 500 FEET OF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES, MY, MY HOUSEHOLD, AGAIN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, SIR.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK FIVE YEARS TO TRY TO, AND JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THIS BECAUSE IF A, IF A REZONING HAD HAPPENED, I WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THAT MEETING AS WELL AS OTHER NEIGHBORS.
AND I KNOW THAT I SPECIFICALLY DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER FOR THIS.
I'VE BEEN ON, I'VE BEEN ON THIS SINCE I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT.
SYSTEM IS SOMETIMES IMPERFECT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REVISIT THAT.
NOW WE HAD A HEARING, WE INTRODUCED THE RECORDS OF THE MAILING AND THE POSTING JUST LIKE WE DID HERE TONIGHT, IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOURS, THAT IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE'RE NOT DOUBLING BACK TO THAT NOW.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A LETTER AND HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AT THE REZONING TO ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, CLOSING COMMENTS? OKAY.
UH, THE RECORD WILL REFLECT NON SO INDICATED, UM, BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FREE TO A BREAK NOW, SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT PRIVATELY IF, IF YOU, IF ANYBODY WOULD PREFER.
SO THERE ARE ONLY TWO ACTIONS ON THIS.
AND I FIRST IS WHETHER WE AGREE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING CRITERIA WERE MET.
THAT'S OUR FIRST VOTE AND THAT'S THE ONE WE CURRENT WE CAN LEAVE AND CONVENE ABOUT.
AND THEN THE NEXT WILL BE, AND THEN WE HAVEN'T STARTED THAT PROCESS YET.
WE'LL BE THE TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND CORRECT ON THE FIRST ONE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE TONIGHT, BUT YOU CAN VOTE TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'D LIKE TO, YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAN FEW MINUTES.
I'D LIKE TO RECONVENE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UM, FIRST I'M GOING TO ASK FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE HEARING, AND THEN I WILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOW'S THE TIME? YEAH, JUST, JUST TO COMMENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, LITERALLY A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THAT AND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT.
UM, I WAS NOT HERE FOR THE REZONING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE REZONING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA HERE.
UM, BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU MEET AND, UH, SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USE.
BUT, UH, BUT I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT AND THE TIMELINE, AND, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHERE THE ROAD WILL JUST BOTTLENECK, LIKE, SO WE, WE NEED TO TAKE TIME AS BOARD AND AS A TOWNSHIP.
I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON SPOT HERE AND EXPLAIN THE ROADS SINCE THIS IS REALLY IS A COUPLE PEOPLE COME UP AND ASK ABOUT THAT.
YOU GO THROUGH, WELL, HANG ON.
THE RECORD, THE, THE RECORDS CLOSED THE, THE, THE, THE EVIDENCE IS CLOSED.
SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN TAKE BOARD COMMENTS, BUT WE CAN HAVE CASEY ADDRESS ALL THIS IN THE TENTATIVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA VERY SHORTLY.
BUT NOT AS A PART OF THIS HEARING.
IF THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GRANT CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE PROJECT AT 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR 1 72 AWKWARD ROAD.
I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE AT 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANKS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE.
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TO GET INTO A TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT.I BELIEVE YOU'VE TOLD US EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO.
YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY I COVERED ALL OF THIS.
I AM HAPPY TO, I WILL NOTE JUST SORT OF FOUR MINUTES RECORD, ET CETERA.
UM, TENNIS SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FILED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, SAME PLAN THAT YOU SAW EARLIER.
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HAVE REVIEW LETTERS FROM GILMORE AND ASSOCIATES DATED JUNE 29TH, 2022 MCMAHON LEE LETTER DATED JUNE 8TH, 2022.I WILL NOTE THAT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW LETTER IS OF THE OLD PLAN.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS IN THERE THAT ARE WHAT I'LL CALL CORRECTED OR NOT RELEVANT.
WHEN I SAY THE OLD PLAN, THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT THAT WAS SHOWN BY THE PRIOR EQUITABLE OWNER.
SO THERE WERE DEAD END STREETS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS SHOWN ON THERE.
I NOTICED, I NOTE THAT SEVERAL OF THOSE COMMENTS RELATE TO THAT.
THE PLAN THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT TONIGHT DOES NOT SHOW THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE DO ALSO HAVE A REVIEW LETTER FROM MCMAN DATED JULY 27TH, 2022, WHICH SPECIFICALLY IS A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT, UM, PENN DOT HOP SUBMISSION.
AS WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER SINCE THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS FOR BOTH SITES, UM, IN TERMS OF WHERE HOPWOOD IS IN THAT TYPE OF REVIEW, IT'S MUCH FARTHER ALONG.
I MEAN, THIS IS TRAFFIC REVIEW, NUMBER SEVEN THAN WE WOULD TYPICALLY BE AT THE TENANT SKETCH PLAN PHASE.
OBVIOUSLY WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE SUBMITTED IT ALL YET, BUT WE HAVE.
AND ALSO, I MEAN, AS LONG AS THE QUESTION IS STILL KIND OF FRESH AND HANGING IN THE AIR, NOW WE COULD HAVE KCO PINE.
YOU, YOU DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO TENANT, BUT I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT CASEY WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE LANES.
UH, HANG ON, HANG ON A SECOND.
IS IT JEFF, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE DRAWING OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT OF 29? IF YOU CAN THROW IT UP THERE WITH YOU FIND IT BY CASING? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
UM, SO EVERYONE IS AWARE WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED PROBABLY THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT, THE PRIOR APPLICANT NOW THE CURRENT APPLICANT AND THE ENGINEERS, ALONG WITH PENN.TO COME UP WITH A ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
THE CONCERN IS THE SINGLE LANE TO THE TWO LANES AND THE POTENTIALLY THE TWO LANES BACK TO ONE LANE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IS HOW DO WE KEEP THE TRAFFIC FLOWING AND MAKE SURE THAT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ACTUALLY ADEQUATELY HANDLE THE TRAFFIC AND KEEP THE TRAFFIC FLOWING AND MAKE IT SAFE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SIGNAL.
SO, UM, FOR PURPOSES, I'M GOING TO CALL ROUTE 29 NORTH SOUTH BECAUSE IT'S NORTH SOUTH.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM 4 22 IN THE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER AREA, YOU'RE IN MULTIPLE LANES, UM, HEADING TOWARD THIS SITE, UM, AS YOU HIT THE TOP OF THE HILL, UM, YOU ARE MERGING FROM TWO LANES IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION ON 29 APPROACHING THIS SITE AND COMING DOWN THE HILL IN A SINGLE LANE, AS YOU COME DOWN THAT SINGLE LANE AND YOU ARE APPROACHING YERKES ROAD, BREAST IS GOING TO BE MY, UH, UH, PICKED OR YOU'RE IN A SINGLE LANE.
AS YOU COME DOWN THAT HILL, AS YOU APPROACH YERKES ROAD, YOU ARE NOW GOING TO OPEN UP TO TWO LANES AT YERKES ROAD.
AND THOSE TWO LANES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROJECT THROUGH HOPWOOD ROAD AND ALL THE WAY NORTHBOUND INTO COLLEGE HILL, NEVER MERGING BACK TO ONE LANE.
UH, THERE WAS, UM, ONE POINT IN TIME, UM, AT PERKIOMEN BOULEVARD, THE CURB LANE WAS STRIPED AS A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO PERKIOMEN.
SO IT WAS A SINGLE LANE, BUT BOTH OF THOSE LANES WILL CONTINUE, CONTINUE THE WALL WALL, THE, TO THE CVS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO YOU WILL NEVER GO BACK TO ONE LANE IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF COLLEGE ADVIL.
UM, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, SO I'M SORRY.
SO, UH, IN COLLEGEVILLE BOROUGH, UH, THERE IS TWO LANES COMING SOUTHBOUND, TWO, THERE'S A LIKE A PROFESSIONAL CENTER ACROSS FROM THE WAWA.
BUT AS YOU GET PAST THAT PROFESSIONAL CENTER WHERE THERE'S A SIGNAL, THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD IN THAT SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION THAT HAVE RETAINING WALLS IN FRONT OF THEM AND THE STEPS ABOUT THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THEY COULDN'T TAKE THE TWO LANES THROUGH AND COLLINSVILLE.
SO THAT ROAD BECOMES A SINGLE LANE AS YOU'RE APPROACHING PERKIOMEN BOULEVARD.
AND AS YOU PASS PERKIOMEN BOULEVARD, I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 400 TO 500 FEET OR SO PAST THAT IT OPENS UP TO TWO LANES AS, AND IT'S IN, IT'S A TWO LANE APPROACH THEN TO HOPWOOD ROAD.
AND AS YOU GET THROUGH HOPWOOD ROAD, THOSE TWO LANES CONTINUE AND COME UP THE HILL AND CONNECT INTO THE TWO LANES UP THERE.
SO IT NEVER EMERGES BACK TO A SINGLE LANE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AUXILIARY LANES AT THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, WHICH THEY'RE NOT TODAY.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS, UM, AT HOPWOOD ROAD IS THERE'S NO LEFT TURN LANE INTO HOPWOOD ROAD TODAY, BESIDES THERE'S NO SIGNAL, THERE IS NO LEFT TURN LANE TO GET IN THERE,
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THERE'LL BE LEFT TURN LANES.UM, ALONG THIS SECTION, THEY'LL ALSO BE A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROJECT.
AND ALL THIS IS FACILITATED BY THE, THE BRIDGE THAT'S THERE.
THE CULVERT THAT'S, THERE HAS TO BE EXTENDED TO ALLOW FOR ALL THESE MULTIPLY.
SO THE DEVELOPER'S DOING ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE CREATING THAT TRAIL CROSSING.
UH, THE OTHER IMPROVEMENT THAT'S BEING DONE IS OLD, UM, OLD 29 OLD ROUTE 29, WHICH IS THAT LITTLE SEGMENT RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT ON THIS PLAN, IT'S A PRETTY OLD, THIS IS AN OLDER SKETCH, BUT I KNOW JEFF, YOU DID THE BEST YOU, SO RIGHT NOW THAT THAT KIND OF TIES INTO HOPWOOD ROAD IN YOU.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE DANGEROUS INTERSECTION, BUT THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE ON IT.
WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH PENN DOT AND BOJACK ENGINEERS IS THAT IS GOING TO CURL IN AND BECOME LIKE A FIFTH LEG TO THE SIGNAL.
SO IT'LL ONLY BE CALLED IF THERE'S SOMEBODY SITTING ON THAT, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THAT LITTLE OLD ROUTE 20 TO 29, BUT OTHERWISE THE INTERSECTION IS GOING TO FUNCTION AS A FORM, LIKE AN INTERSECTION, BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THOSE PEOPLE COMING OUT THERE AND THE PEOPLE ON HOPWOOD ROAD NOW THAT'LL COME IN AT, AT AS A FIFTH LEG TO THAT.
SO THIS HAS ALL BEEN ANALYZED IN GREAT DETAIL WITH PENN DOT.
WE DID SIMULATION ANALYSIS TO SHOW THAT IT'LL WORK.
AND AT SOME POINT WHEN ANYBODY DEVELOPS PROPERTY, LET'S SOUTH OF EUROPE, THESE ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, WE HOPEFULLY THAT WIDENING TO CONTINUE UP THE HILL.
IS THAT EXPLAINED, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TERM.
KAREN GENTILE, 1704 MORGAN LANE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING NORTH, YOU ARE GOING TO STILL HAVE THE MERGE INTO THE ONE LANE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, YOU KNOW, YOUR MERCHANT AT THE TOP OF THE HILL AND YOU'RE COMING DOWN INTO ONE, THEN YOU GO, AND THEN AT YERKES, IT'S OPENING BACK UP INTO TWO AND YOU'RE STAYING TWO ALL THE WAY.
SO I DO, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 20, 26 YEARS.
UM, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC, CAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S DOWN.
IF I GO THAT WAY EVERYDAY MANY TIMES AND PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY LIKE FIGHTING YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THE POLICE OFFICERS FIGHTING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FLYING UP TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU.
PEOPLE ARE BREAKING AND YOU'RE IN ONE LANE GOING INTO TWO PEOPLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A STOPLIGHT.
NOW AT THE END OF THAT ROW, THAT THE BOTTOM OF HOPWOOD AND 29 CARS ARE GOING TO BE STOPPING.
AS CARS ARE MERGING AND GOING INTO ONE LANE OPENING UP TO TWO AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING, UM, THE DESTRIA GUNS AND PEOPLE IN BICYCLES CROSSING 29.
I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I KNOW, BUT STILL, I GOTTA TELL YOU PEOPLE IT'S, IT'S GOING TO GET BACKED UP AROUND THAT CURVE UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CURVE WHERE YOU'RE MERGING INTO ONE AND OPENING UP INTO TWO.
I JUST, I MEAN, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT, BUT I WILL SAY IF IT WAS TWO LANES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT MERGING INTO ONE LANE, GOING TO TWO LANES, HAVING PEOPLE GOING, TRYING TO GET INTO THE TURNING LANE, HAVING STOPPED TRAFFIC.
I MEAN AT RUSH HOUR THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S THIS CAR AFTER CARMI I SAT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF HOLLYWOOD ROAD TRYING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, A RIGHT A RIGHT-HAND OR LEFT-HAND TURN FOR 10, 15 MINUTES.
SO, I MEAN, I KNOW IN ALL THERE'S SO MANY CARS COMING BOTH WAYS AT A, AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED, RIGHT.
I MEAN, IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE A FLASHING LIGHT AT THE TOP UP THERE TO WARN PEOPLE THAT LIKE, YEAH.
SO AS, AS WE GET THROUGH THIS DESIGN AND THE FINAL DESIGN, UM, IF THERE IS A RED SIGNAL AHEAD SIGN THAT WE NEED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE MAY NEED TO ADD THAT.
UM, BUT, UM, THE FACT IS THAT WHEN WE OPEN IT UP TO, TO THE MULTIPLE LANES, WE'LL MOVE MUCH MORE TRAFFIC MORE QUICKLY THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION.
SO, UH, HOPWOOD ROAD, HOPWOOD ROAD, WE'LL GET THE GREEN LIGHT, BUT THEN THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE GREEN LEFT ON, ON 29 TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE OLD, UM, COLLEGEVILLE ROAD.
SO, CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS A SIGN THERE YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BLOCK THAT.
AND IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN NORTH ON 29 AND COMING IN AND YOU HAPPEN TO LIVE ON THAT ROAD, THERE'S BEEN CARS THAT HAVE COME IN AND TRIED TO TURN AND THERE'S A CAR THERE AND THEY ALMOST WRECK IN AND THERE'S A CAR WRECK INTO THAT CAR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR CARS COMING SOUTHBOUND.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SAT THERE LIKE, OH
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MY GOSH.I MEAN, IT'S HORRIFYING, BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT INTO 29.
SO THIS ROAD TODAY CONNECTS STRAIGHT TO HOPWOOD.
IT'S GOING TO CURL DOWN INTO THE INTERSECTION, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN HOPWOOD, YOU CAN MAKE A RIGHT INTO THAT ROAD TODAY.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN THIS ROAD AND ALVIN.
SO FOR THESE TWO HOMES HERE, SOMEBODY LIVES THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN 29 OR DOWN HOPWOOD TAKE RIGHT ON 29 THIS WAY.
AND THERE'LL BE A LIGHT COMING OUT OF OLD COLLEGE VILLE ROAD, THEN IT'LL BE A FIFTH LIGHT OUT.
SO IF A CAR'S COMING DOWN THIS WAY, THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO THE LIGHT.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE GREEN LIGHT AND THEY TURN HERE OR THEY CAN TURN IT THIS ROAD.
SO YOU CAN ONLY GO INTO THAT AND THEN COMING OUT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE LEFT? IF THEY WANT TO COME INTO GO 29 NORTH, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT? COMING HERE? THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR OWN PHASE.
SO IT'S GOING TO STOP EVERYBODY ELSE.
IT WOULD BE, IF THEY COULD MAKE THAT TWO LANES COMING ALL THE WAY IN, I'D FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER ABOUT IT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'D HATE TO SEE LOTS OF ACCIDENTS AT THE TOP OF THAT, WHERE PEOPLE ARE EMERGING AND THE LIGHTS RED FOR SO LONG THAT IT'S BACKED UP AT 29.
WE'RE GOING TO PIECE THAT TOGETHER.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAD TO LOOK AT ON THAT, ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THEY DON'T CONTROL THAT PROPERTY.
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A VERY NICE IMPROVEMENT TO A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST MORE DIALOGUE AROUND IT THAT I THINK, BUT I, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE NICE TO HAVE THAT.
AND, AND THE, AND THERE'S ALSO A CULVERT HERE THAT THEY'RE EXTENDING AS WELL.
UM, CAUSE THEY'RE WIDENING HOPWOOD ROAD FROM ONE LANE OUT OF HOPWOOD TO TWO LANES THAT CULVERT US TO BE EXTENDED.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT FAR ENOUGH BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT TRAIL, THAT THEY'RE TALKING, THAT TRAIL IS GOING TO CONTINUE UP THAT SIDE OF HOPWOOD ROAD.
SO THEY'RE ACCOMMODATING THREE LANES OF TRAVEL PLUS PLUS THE TRAIL, THAT AREA.
WELL, THAT WAS A LITTLE EXTRA INFORMATIONAL.
UM, WE'RE STILL ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS GRANTING, UH, RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 30, GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
I THINK WE KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN WE NORMALLY KNOW AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME.
SO, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND JOE, THIS IS THE PRESIDENCY.
THIS, THIS IS TO TAKE THE STEP FORWARD NOW TO HASH OUT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE BERMS AND THE SIDEWALKS AND THE LIGHTING AND ALL THIS IS SAYING, OKAY, LET'S GO AND GET THAT OUT.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE THREE STEPS, TENTATIVE SKETCH APPROVAL.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 30, GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 30, GRANTING TENTATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 1 72 HOPWOOD ROAD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
NEXT IS A CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 31.
GRANTING FINAL FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 3 57 GREENWOOD MEADOWS AT LONG VIEW FOR WB HOMES.
JUSTIN STRAY, BORN WITH WB HOMES.
WE ARE THE DEVELOPER OF THE MEADOWS AT LONGVIEW.
ALONG WITH ME THIS EVENING IS JAKE PICKERING, OUR ENGINEER WITH BOHLER ENGINEERING.
UM, JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A QUICK UPDATE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR PROJECT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THE ENGINEERING SPECIFICS, ADDRESSING THE REVIEW LETTERS FROM THE TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS I'M WORKING ON OUR OUTSIDE AGENCY PERMITTING.
UM, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF THE FINAL, UM,
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CONSULTANT REVIEW LETTERS, UH, FROM THE TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS.THOSE LETTERS ARE CREE AND MOSTLY ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE.
WE AGREE TO ALL THE CONDITIONS IN THOSE LETTERS AT THIS POINT.
AND AS YOU'RE ALL WELL AWARE OF ON AUGUST 3RD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND FINAL PLAN APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO REQUEST FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND HAVING SAID THAT, I'M GOING TO TRY AND KEEP THIS BRIEF.
SO I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CORRECT.
AND THAT EXTENDS DOWN TO KNOLL DRIVE.
IF YOU RECALL, FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOME STREAM BANK REPARATIONS.
YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? SURE.
I'M ACROSS THE STREET, THIS IS TOWNSHIP OPEN SPACE.
I BELIEVE IT'S AN UNNAMED TRIBUTARY TO SCHOOLHOUSE RUN IS A SOUND RIGHT.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT EROSION ALONG THE BANKS OF THAT STREAM.
AND WE AGREED TO INSTALL 500 FEET OF STREAM BANK RESTORATION, UM, AS WOULD GET, UH, THE TOWNSHIP WILL GET CREDITS ON THEIR MS FOR REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL PUMP HOUSES PUT IN FOR WHAT WAS THERE.
AM I THINKING OF A DIFFERENT ONE? SORRY, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WITH THIS IS GREENWOOD CUTTINGS COMES DOWN AND IT'S RIDGE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT INTEREST, IS THERE ANY BEEN ANY STUDIES MAYBE CASEY THERE WITH THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION THAT I'VE BEEN BACK THERE AND TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT ON THE RIDGE.
IT'S A BLIND SPOT, VERY DANGEROUS TALKING RIDGE AND GREENWOOD.
SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TOWARD A SIGNAL EVALUATION THAT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO COMPLETE FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
SO WE HAVE DONE ONES IN THE PAST AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND UH, NOW THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING ALONG GREENWOOD AVENUE, THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN PROPOSED IT'S TIME TO REDO THAT.
AND THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING A, A PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THAT SO THAT THE SIGNAL CAN POTENTIALLY BE INSTALLED THERE.
HOW DO WE GET APPROVAL FOR THAT? WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? YEAH.
SO THAT, SO THE, UM, THE STUDY AND THE PLAN HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO PENN DOT FOR APPROVAL AND, UH, THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAL.
SO WE'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY IF WE STARTED THAT WHOLE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY UPON YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO GET THAT ALL APPROVED AND THEN PROBABLY IT WOULD LINE UP AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYBODY IN THESE HOMES UNTIL THE ALL THEIR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE DONE.
I DON'T THINK I JUST TALKED TO HIM PRIOR TO MEETING.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD START CLEARING THE LAND TILL LATER IN THE FALL, UH, IF THEY GOT THEIR APPROVALS AND THAT THEY WOULDN'T START BUILDING HOMES THEN UNTIL ESSENTIALLY THE SPRING TIME AND THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE DONE NEXT SUMMER.
SO ALL THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE AND YOU COULD NOT A 2 0 9, IT'S NOT AN ACT TWO AND NINE INTERSECTION.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO, TO FUND THIS, TO GET THE SIGNAL RIGHT AT 2 0 9 CAN BE LOOKED AT AGAIN, IT CAN'T BE AMENDED.
BECAUSE ACT 2 0 9 PINPOINTED, PENNYPACKER AND RIDGE PIKE.
EXPECTING DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT IS NO LONGER REALLY A VALID INTERSECTION FOR THAT.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT THE ACT 2 0 9 NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN, AMENDED AND MOVE THAT SIGNAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED FOR PENNYPACKER ENRICH BIKE DOWN TO GREENWOOD AND BRIDGE PIKE.
AND THAT WOULD KIND OF CHANGE THE PICTURE HE IS.
AND IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND DOING WELL, I MEAN THE PROCESS TO AMEND THE TOTAL ACT 2 0 9 IS GOING TO TAKE MUCH LONGER THAN IT IS TO DO THIS ISOLATED INTERSECTION EVALUATION.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UM, THAT'S A MORE OF A, PROBABLY AN IN, IN ABOUT THREE MORE YEARS, UM, WE WOULD DO A TOTAL RE RE UPDATE OF THE ACT 2 0 9.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TREND AND WHERE IT WAS HAPPENING, WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION TO IMPROVE IT, LORI, AT THIS TIME, I AGREE WITH YOU, PENNY PACKERS, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ACT TWO, A NINE COULD BE AMENDED FOR THIS INTERSECTION WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A MASSIVE OVERHAUL OF THE WHOLE THING THAT TAKES THREE YEARS.THE PLANNING WORKSHOP WAS LOOKING AT THE FEE AND YOU CAN MEET YEARLY TO JUST SAY, WE WANT TO INCREASE THE FEE OR CHANGE THE FEE TO X.
UM, AT THAT MEETING YOU, YOU DID MENTION TO LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION.
I'M STILL TRYING TO GET THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY PICK A MEETING DATE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK IN TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THE PLAN WE'D HAVE TO OPEN UP TO REDO ONE INTERSECTION.
MY CONCERN IS YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP THE ENTIRE PLAN AND ALL OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO RE, TO, TO INCLUDE THIS ONE.
IF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WB IS GIVING US AND SOME OTHER MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TOWNSHIP, IF WE CAN USE THAT MONEY TO GET THIS INTERSECTION DONE QUICKER, IT'S PROBABLY MORE BENEFICIAL THAN OPENING EVERYTHING UP AND THEN HOPING MORE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LIGHT THERE.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY ULTIMATE GOAL.
I THINK THAT'S, CASEY'S ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET THE LIGHT THERE.
WE, WE REALIZED THAT MAYBE THAT WAS A FLAW OF THE PLAN THREE YEARS AGO, THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT INTERSECTION.
YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND CHANGE THE PAST, BUT WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN BORROW MONEY FROM THE ACTUAL NINE FUND IF WE SO CHOOSE TO DO THAT AND PAY IT BACK EVENTUALLY OVER TIME, THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO OBVIOUSLY NOW, BUT THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN FUND THIS INTERSECTION FASTER THAN WE COULD PROBABLY AMEND THE 2 0 9 PLAN.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS STUDY OR THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR PART OF THE STUDY.
THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE STUDY AND THE EVALUATION YET.
WHAT'S A STUDY CAUSE SHE'S YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT 16, 16.
IT'S IT'S IN OUR LETTER 16, 6, 6, 16,000.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR 40% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S THE LIGHT GOING TO COST? JUST GIVE ME A GUESSTIMATE.
SO THE LIGHT, SO THE GOAL IS TO GET THE STUDY DONE AND MAYBE GET A GRANT TO PUT THE LIGHT IN THAT LIGHT'S GOING TO COST YOU AROUND $200,000, 200, 250,000, BUT IT IS ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT I THINK IF WE CAN GET THE PLAN DEVELOPED AND WE CAN GET IT, IT'S GOING TO GRANT GETTING A GRANT FOR SOMETHING FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OF A CHALLENGE.
GREENLIGHT GO, THERE'S VARIOUS OTHER GRANTS OUT THERE.
AND $200,000 IN A TRANSPORTATION GRANT.
I KNOW YOU CALL IT JOB CHANGE.
BUT IF WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR $200,000, THAT'S PRETTY LOW COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT GRANTS OUT THERE.
AND IT'S KIND OF HITS THE SWEET SPOT WITH THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION GRANT ON THERE THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE NEIGHBOR WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY IF THERE WAS A LIGHT THERE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPY.
WHEN, OR WHERE IS THE EXISTING HOME THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESERVED ON THE PROPERTY THERE IN THE BOSS.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO PONDS HERE.
THESE HASHED AREAS, THE EXISTING FARMHOUSE IS RIGHT THERE.
A LOT 26, JUST TO THE LEFT OF, OF WHERE IT SAYS 26.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVING IT, ARE WE GOING TO RENOVATE IT AND SELL IT? OR HOW ARE WE PRESERVING THAT? SO OUR GOAL AT THIS POINT IS WE WILL SELL THAT LOT AND SELL THE HOME AS IS, OKAY.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A TENANT IN THERE NOW IT'S BEING RENTED.
BUT OUR GOAL IS TO SELL THE HOME, NOT KEEP IT AS A RENTAL.
UM, JEFF AND I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION SORT OF, UH, FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE, UH, IN CONTACT WITH.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH OTHER OUTBUILDINGS CONNECTED WITH THAT HOUSE IN A SMALL CEMETERY, CONNECTED WITH THAT HOUSE.
I'M, I'M UNAWARE OF A CEMETERY.
THERE IS A SMALL SPRING HOUSE IN THIS BACK CORNER HERE THAT IS TO REMAIN ALSO, BUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND THAT SPRING HOUSE IS TO REMAIN.
THERE IS, THERE ARE REMNANTS OF, I GUESS IT WAS THE BARN, BUT THERE'S NO WALLS.
IT'S MORE OF JUST SORT OF LIKE A STONE FOUNDATION THAT IS NOT SLATED TO STAY.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO, WHO'S GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT POND.
I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ASK THAT I CAME, PREPARE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
I THINK BASED OFF OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND JUST WHAT MAKES SENSE.
OBVIOUSLY OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND OPEN SPACE IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED AND OWNED BY A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WE ARE GOING TO WRITE IN THAT LARGE POND, THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN THAT POND.
EVEN THE PORTIONS THAT ARE ON LOT 26, BECAUSE SO, UM, PERSON CAN'T LIKE THE HOA CAN'T CUT THEIR SIDE AND THEN LOT 26, LETS IT GO.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE RECORDED HOA DECLARATION AND PLAN THAT THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN THAT POND.
SO IF THEY NEED ACCESS TO THAT OTHER PORTION OF THE POND,
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THEIR LAND USE EASEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN PUTTING THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE POND AND THE DRIVEWAY.CAUSE IT'S LIKE SIX INCHES APART.
WE THOUGHT JUST TO KEEP A CONSISTENT LOOK TO AMONGST THE POND AND ONE SIDE DOESN'T GET UP CAP.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN IT.
ALONG WITH THAT PATH ACROSS LOT 26, THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN THAT PATH THAT, OKAY.
SO IT DID NOT MAKE SENSE FOR YOU TO, TO GIVE THE WHOLE POND TO THAT HOUSE, THAT HOUSE AND LEAVE IT IN THERE.
HE DID NOT FROM A LAYOUT STANDPOINT FROM NO TO.
AND IT JUST MADE MORE SENSE FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE THE HOA IN CHARGE OF CONTROLLING THE FONT, WHICH IN CASE ANYBODY KNOWS MY DOG WENT ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE IN THAT POND AND LITERAL, LITERAL.
HE WAS CHASING THE GEESE IN THE POND AND THEY OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WOULD FLY AWAY WHEN HE GOT CLOSE.
HE HAD A GRAND TIME, BUT DIDN'T CATCH ANY SO LOTS OF 10 AND 11, IS THAT A SINGLE ACCESS POINT BACK TO TWO, THEN IT SEPARATES INTO TWO DRIVEWAYS, CORRECT? IT'S A SINGLE, IT'S A SINGLE DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE WATER COURSE THERE.
AND THEN IT SPLITS TO THE, TO THE TWO INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
AND OUT OF THAT, DOES THE HOA DO THE INDIVIDUAL PIECE OR HOMEOWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE DRIVEWAYS? THEY'RE ON FEE SIMPLE.
LOTS OF THE HOA IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SHARED PIECE.
HOW DO YOU REGULATE BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS WHOSE ONE HOME OWNER SAYS, FORGET IT.
YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF IT AND YOU PLOW IT OUT.
HOW IS THAT IN THE HOA OR HOW IS THAT MANAGED, UH, PEOPLE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART AND THEIR NEIGHBOR.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET OUT, YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE.
I THINK, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE HOA TO WHOM THE HOMEOWNERS TO MANAGE THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY.
SOME IT'S A SHARING AGREEMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S FINE.
WHY WAS IT, WHY WAS IT DECIDED TO HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ACROSS THE WATERCOURSE IS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF AREA THAT WAS BEING DISTURBED.
I JUST SEE POTENTIAL FUTURE PROBLEMS. DO WE NEIGHBORS WHO DON'T GET ALONG? YEAH.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, IF NOT, I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 31.
GRANNY FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 3 57 GREEN WOOD MEADOWS AT LONG VIEW A SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 31 GRANTING FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR 3 57 GREENWOOD THE MEADOWS AT LONG VIEW.
AND UH, NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LED LIGHTING.
NO THAT WE'RE ALREADY IN FAVOR OF THIS OR YOU CAN MOVE REALLY FAST.
WE CAN SKIP TO, OH TOM, WHY DON'T YOU GET THE, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MIKE FOR, FROM KEYSTONE LIGHTING SERVICES TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY, MIKE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK TO GET US READY FOR THIS PROGRAM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.
SO WE WERE LOOKING TONIGHT FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DRP PC STREETLIGHT PROGRAM TO CONVERT OUR 536TH STREET LIGHTS TO LED TO HELP FROM GRANTS AND REBATES FROM PICO AND DVR PC.
SO WE CAN JUST GO TO SLIDE NUMBER FOUR.
UH, I'LL JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THESE REAL QUICK.
THE REASON THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO UPGRADE YOUR LED STREETLIGHTS IS FOR OPERATIONAL SAVINGS, BOTH IN ENERGY AND MAINTENANCE SAVINGS AND A MUCH MORE CONTROLLABILITY OF THOSE LIGHTS.
SO WE CAN GO ON TO THE, TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THE NEXT ONE, I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT DVR PC DID PUT TOGETHER THIS PROGRAM, IT'S CALLED THE REGIONAL STREETLIGHT PROCUREMENT PROGRAM.
WE'VE IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS HAVE UPGRADED, UH, STREETLIGHTS AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN OVER 40 I'M SORRY, 60 MUNICIPALITIES REPRESENTING OVER 40,000 STREETLIGHTS WITH A VERY GOOD RESULTS.
I THINK ALMOST ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE IT AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACTS OF THAT.
AND I'LL JUST MENTION THAT DVR PC PUT THIS TOGETHER AS A TURNKEY PROJECT.
SO WE HANDLE EVERY ASPECT FROM THE ORIGINAL FEASIBILITY STUDY TO THE DESIGN, THE ANALYSIS, AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND THEN ONTO, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE PICO REBATES FOR YOU UPDATING THE PICO BILLS TO GET THOSE CORRECT.
SO IT'S ALL, UH, UH, DONE FOR YOU.
UH, I'LL JUST MENTION, THIS IS A VERY GREEN, SUSTAINABLE, UH, PROJECT ALSO.
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MONEY ON YOUR BILLS, BUT IT'S ALSO REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AT PICO.SO WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE AND WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THE NEXT ONE, I'M JUST TRYING TO GO QUICKLY HERE.
UH, BASICALLY WE'RE AT THE END OF PHASE TWO, THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT OR THE DESIGN PHASE, YOUR DECISION WOULD BE TO, UH, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO CONSTRUCTION TO ACTUALLY UPGRADE, UH, THESE LIGHTS AND, UM, THAT'S PHASE THREE AND FOUR.
WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT, UH, WE COULD, DEPENDING ON SUPPLY CHAIN, UH, WITH APPROVALS IN THIS TIMEFRAME, WE CAN STILL BE, UH, INSTALLING THESE LIGHTS THIS YEAR, UH, THE REBATES, WHICH ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, THAT MIGHT, UH, BLEED INTO Q1 OF NEXT YEAR.
SO WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THE NEXT ONE.
AND WE'LL GO ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
UH, WE DO WANT TO MENTION THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM IS THAT WE DO IDENTITY.
WE DID A FULL, COMPLETE AUDIT, A GIS BASED AUDIT THAT WE TURN OVER ALL THAT GIS DATA TO YOU.
IT'S A GREAT ASSET IN AND OF ITSELF.
EVEN IF YOU WERE NOT TO DO THE PROJECT, YOU'VE PAID FOR THAT.
AS PART OF THE DESIGN PHASE, WE DID FIND A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL FIXTURES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IN TOTAL WE FOUND 138 FIXTURES.
UH, WHAT THAT IS GOOD IS BECAUSE WE GET THE PICO BILL UPDATED, UM, AND IT WAS NOT, UH, COMPLETELY UPDATED, BUT THIS PROJECT WILL GET IT CORRECT FROM HERE GOING.
SO YOU'LL PUT THAT INTO RGS GSI SYSTEM.
WE CAN GET, YEAH, WE CAN COORDINATE WITH YOU TO HAVE IT EXPORTED FROM OUR SYSTEM INTO.
SO WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO REFRESHER A, YOU HAVE 231 OF THESE COBRA HEAD UTILITARIAN STREET LIGHTS.
WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE ALL OF THOSE JUST BY CHANGING THE FIXTURE HEADS.
WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, NINE OF THESE SHOE BOX FIXTURES THAT WILL UPGRADE ALSO TO A, UH, TO AN LED FIXTURE.
AGAIN, TAKE OFF THE HEAD AND PUT ON THE NEW HEAD.
AND IN BOTH THESE CASES, THE ARMS, THE POLES, WHILE THE POLE STAYS IN THIS CASE, WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, THIS IS YOUR LARGEST COUNT.
YOU HAVE 305 OF THESE DECORATIVE FIXTURES AND WE KEEP THE POLE.
SO YOU HAVE A BRAND NEW LED HEAD.
THIS IS NOT JUST A RETROFIT KIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH DON'T HAVE LONG WARRANTIES.
THIS IS A, UH, AT ALL THESE NEW LUMINAIRES ARE BUILT WITH THE LEDS INTEGRATED INTO THE, TO THE HEADS.
AND THEREFORE WE HAVE 10 YEAR WARRANTIES ON ALL OF THESE FIXTURES.
UH, WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THESE ARE SOME THAT WE'RE NOT UPGRADING JUST TO BE COMPLETE.
WE DO HAVE TO TELL PICO THAT YOU HAVE THESE AS PART OF YOUR, UH, STREETLIGHT SYSTEM, BUT THERE'S SOME OF YOUR MORE HIGH-END DECORATIVE FIXTURES YOU HAVE IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THOSE ARE ALREADY LED, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO UPGRADE THOSE.
WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, WE DID LOOK AT MULTIPLE CONTROL OPTIONS BECAUSE LED IS DIMMABLE.
AND, UH, UH, YOU'LL SEE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PIQUA REBATES ARE STRUCTURED, THEY BASICALLY ARE GONNA PAY FOR YOU TO PUT IN THESE, THIS MANUAL CONTROL SYSTEM, WHICH GIVES YOU THE ABILITY.
WE'LL SET IT TO THE LEVEL WE WANT IT AT, UH, BASED ON DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS, BUT IN THE FUTURE, YOU COULD GO UP OR DOWN.
IF YOU HAVE AN INTERSECTION THAT MAYBE IS MORE DANGEROUS, YOU WANT TO TAKE THE LIGHT UP A LITTLE BIT, OR THERE'S SOME OTHER REASON YOU WANT TO TAKE THE LIGHT DOWN.
YOU'LL HAVE THAT FUTURE FLEXIBILITY BY PUTTING IN THIS MANUAL CONTROL.
IT'S BASICALLY A DIMMER INSIDE THE FIXTURE.
IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT FIXTURE AND MAKE A, AN ADJUSTMENT.
IT'S NOT AS SOPHISTICATED NETWORK CONTROL.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE DIMMER SWITCH INSIDE OF EACH FIXTURE.
AND THIS IS REALLY THE PREFERRED OPTION FOR, FOR YOUR PROJECT.
UH, WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE AND LOOK AT FINANCIAL RESULTS.
I'M GOING TO GO PASS THE SLIDE, BUT I'LL TALK TO THESE POINTS.
UM, THE FIRST LINE ITEM HERE IS THE INVENTORY ADJUSTMENT IMPACT.
SO BECAUSE WE FOUND SO MANY ADDITIONAL FIXTURES THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY ON YOUR BILL, WE DO HAVE TO ADJUST IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A MUNIS, THE MUNICIPALITIES RESPONSIBILITY TO WORK WITH PICO TO ACCURATELY REFLECT YOUR STREETLIGHT BILLS.
IT WILL INCREASE YOUR, YOUR BILL EVEN BEFORE WE DO THE UPGRADE, EVEN IF WE DID NOT DO THE UPGRADE, UH, THIS IS AN ADJUSTMENT THAT HAS TO OCCUR.
UM, WE HAVE FOUND THAT PICO IS VERY HAPPY WORKING WITH OUR PROGRAM AND GETTING THE BILLS CORRECT GOING FORWARD.
AND WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANY INTEREST IN THEM TRYING TO COME BACKWARDS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, MISSED BILLING.
SO, UH, SO THERE IS, UH, THERE'S THE $15,000 THAT WOULD HAPPEN WHETHER WE DO THE PROJECT OR NOT THAT YOUR BILL WOULD GO UP PER YEAR.
UM, BUT THIS PROJECT HELPS YOU KIND OF OFFSET THAT, UM, AND, AND, UH, ACTUALLY GET SAVINGS, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CORRECT INVENTORY.
SO THE BASE UPGRADE IS WITHOUT THAT, THAT MANUAL CONTROL, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S
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GOING TO GENERATE $14,000 IN ANNUAL OPERATING SAVINGS AT A PROJECT COST NET OF THE REBATE THAT PICO GIVES YOU A 207,000.THE BOTTOM ONE IS THE, WITH THE MANUAL CONTROLS.
YOU SEE, IT GIVES YOU ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME SAVINGS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE REBATE'S LARGER, EVEN THOUGH THE MATERIAL COSTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE REBATE, MORE THAN OFFSETS THAT.
SO THE NET PROJECT COST SAVINGS ARE ACTUALLY LESS AT 200,000.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE, UM, UH, OR THE MUNICIPALITY BUDGETED $230,000 FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR, FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE UNDER THAT BUDGETED AMOUNT AND I'LL JUST GO TO THE, WE CAN GO TO THE VERY, THAT LAST SLIDE REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT IS, UM, UH, YOU CAN, UH, IF YOU TAKE ACTION ON, UH, THE RESOLUTION, YOU MOVE ON TO PHASE THREE, AND THEN JUST FROM THERE, WE'LL GET THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SIGNED, UH, YOU'RE AUTHORIZING MANAGEMENT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AFTER, UH, THE RESOLUTION HAS PASSED, WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY, UH, ORDER MATERIALS AND, UM, UH, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, LIKE I SAID, IN Q4, GET INTO INSTALLATION, UH, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A 20 TO 30 DAY INSTALL.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LOW IMPACT WEEK AND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES WE'VE DONE, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE INSTALLATION PROCESS.
THEY'RE ONLY AT EACH LOCATION FOR 15, 20 MINUTES, AND THEN THEY MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
AND, UH, SO IT'S VERY CLEAN AND STREAMLINED AND LOW IMPACT AS I SAID.
SO, SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
AND JOE, YOU'VE READ A, SOLICITOR'S READ ALL THE, UH, LEGAL DOCUMENTS YOU'VE DONE THAT.
I HAVE, I REPRESENT SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG THAN YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION A FEW TIMES AND LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS.
IF YOUR TIME SUPER GOOD, WAS THIS THE SHORTEST PRESENTATION? YOU'VE SPED IT UP.
ARE WE DOING WITH, OR WITHOUT THE MANUAL CONTROL ONCE WE'RE, ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH THIS PHASE FOUR, WOULD, WOULD USE YOUR SERVICES IN THE FUTURE OR IS IT ALL ON US THEN MOVING FORWARD? SO, UH, WE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING INTO THE FOURTH ROUND OF THIS PROGRAM.
SO MY FIRM IS STILL AROUND CONTRACTING WITH DB RPC.
SO I'M GOING TO BE AROUND THROUGH THE WHOLE ONE YEAR PROJECT.
UH, THE, THE INSTALLER THAT YOU CONTRACT WITH, THEY HAVE GIVE YOU A ONE-YEAR LABOR AND PRODUCT WARRANTY, AND I'LL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, WE DO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES IF YOU WANT TO UPDATE YOUR ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO REFLECT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS PROJECT.
SO, UH, SO I'D SAY FOR AT LEAST A YEAR AFTER INSTALLATION IS DONE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE KICKING AROUND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING FOR MORE YEARS WITH THIS PROGRAM.
AND I STILL SUPPORT, UH, MUNICIPALITIES PICK UP THE PHONE AND ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS FROM THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 32, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AND PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT FOR PHASES THREE AND FOUR OF THE REGIONAL STREETLIGHT PROCUREMENT PROGRAM ADMINISTERED BY THE DELAWARE VALLEY, REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, I'LL SAY, ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, UH, OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS ITEM, NUMBER 10, UH, CONSIDERED AN ACTING ORDINANCE 5 96, AND MANY OF THE TOWNSHIP CODE CHAPTER 71 CURFEW SECTION 71 DASH TWO RESTRICTIONS ON MINORS.
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MAKE THEM, UH, CHIEF FRIEDMAN, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHIEF ABOUT IT, UM, I REVISED THE CURFEW ORDINANCE TO, SO THAT IT INCLUDES, UH, AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEDICATED OVER TO THE TOWNSHIP, BUT THAT ARE USED BY THE PUBLIC.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE SORT OF, UM, LOOPHOLE OR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BEEN ENFORCING THE EXISTING LANGUAGE.
SO THAT WILL ALLOW A PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER PARKING LOT SIDEWALKS.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT CURFEW? NOTHING NOTHING'S CHANGED ABOUT THE CURFEW HOURS, UH, OR, OR ANY OTHER DETAIL ABOUT THE CURFEW ORDINANCE? I THINK IT'S, UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S T 10, 10, UNLESS YOU'RE DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY HOME FROM A JOB OR A SCHOOL EVENT OR, OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE, TO TACKLE.
UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
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OH, TOM, I'M SORRY.I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION AT ACT ORDINANCE 5 96, MENDING TOWNSHIP CODE CHAPTER 71 CURFEW SECTION 71 DASH TWO RESTRICTIONS ON MINORS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT ON YOUR BEHALF, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 5 96, AMENDING THE TOWNSHIP CODE CHAPTER 71 CURFEW SECTION 71 DASH TWO RESTRICTIONS ON MINORS, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
NEW BUSINESS CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR A TERM THROUGH THE END OF DECEMBER 20, 22ND, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, APPOINT OR, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT WILLIAM FELTON.UH, I THINK I SENT AROUND HIS RESUME TO EVERYONE AND HE SPOKE AT OUR FIRST, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL AND HE HAS, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH SUSTAINABLE PROJECTS.
ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT WILLIAM C FELTON TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR A TERM THROUGH THE END OF DECEMBER, 2022.
I'LL SECOND THAT WHO WAS THE GENTLEMEN WAS, IS A GENTLEMAN THAT WAS IN HERE EARLIER.
IS HE ON AIR COUNCIL? NO, THAT'S MR. MOK AND HE IS NOT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK HIM TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COUNSELOR.
UH, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR THEN YOU SECOND THAT TIME.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO A POINT WILLIAM FELTON TO THE ENVIRONMENT ADVISORY COUNCIL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
HEAD REPORTS, FLOOD GAUGES.WELL, I DON'T GO TO BED FOR 45 MORE MINUTES TO TAKE YOUR TIME.
I TOOK A NAP OR PAST MY BEDTIME.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I STARTED HERE, YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU WANTED ME TO GET THE FUCK UP AND WORKING.
SO, UH, BOTH NATE AND I HAVE WORKED ON THIS AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST TIME I HAVE TO REPORT ON THIS.
SO, UM, IF YOU GO TO, IF YOU GO TO THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE AND I, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE NEW WEBSITE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TO PUT THIS ON THE, UH, ONE OF THE BANNERS ON THE TOP.
SO IT'LL EASIER TO GET TO, BUT IF YOU GO TO DEPARTMENTS AND THEN FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND THEN DOWN TO THE FLOOD GAUGE MONITOR BRINGS YOU INTO THE FLOOD GAUGE, UH, PAGE.
UH, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE NOTIFYING PEOPLE IS THROUGH READY MAKO.
AND THERE IS A WEBSITE LINK HERE TO GET THE READY MONTCO, UH, AND IT REQUIRES, UH, RESIDENTS TO SIGN UP FOR IT.
IT GIVES YOU A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CHOICES OF HOW YOU WANT TO RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS, TEXTS, EMAILS, PHONE CALLS.
THERE'S ALSO AN, UH, APPS THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ONTO YOUR PHONE, WHICH IS THE SIMPLEST WAY TO GET IT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR W WE HAVE, WE SET IT UP THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN USE READY.
ONE IS WE CAN JUST PUT GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS OUT TO THE RESIDENCE.
UM, COMMUNITY DAYS, WE CAN PUT THAT OUT THERE, ROADS CLOSING, ANYTHING THAT WE WANT NON EMERGENCY.
WE CAN PUT OUT AN EMERGENCY ALERT TO THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP.
AND THEN WE HAVE A THIRD SECTION THAT PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR AND IT SUPPORT PROVIDENCE MONTCLAIR ALERTS.
AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY FOR THE FLOOD NOTIFICATIONS.
UM, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN CHOOSE ONE OR ALL THREE.
I WARN YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE MORE THAN JUST UPPER PROVIDENCE, IF YOU CHOOSE RED HILL, YOU MIGHT GET TRASHED NOTIFICATIONS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU CHOOSE, UM, UPPER PROVIDENCE, YOU CAN CHOOSE A SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
YOU CAN CHOOSE THE COUNTY, BUT YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL AS TO WHAT YOU'RE SELECTING, BECAUSE YOU'LL GET NOTIFICATIONS ON ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE IS PUTTING OUT.
UM, IF YOU WOULD GO TO THE LINKS THERE, UM, WE WE'VE ALSO PUT IN, UH, THE SCHOOL RIVER AT NORTH, AND WE PUT IN THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER AT POTTSTOWN.
WE PUT IN THE POKEMON CREEK AT GRATERFORD AND THE PERKIOMEN CREEK UP AT, UH, ABOVE ZANESVILLE.
UH, SO THERE'S, PEOPLE CAN COMPARE AND SEE WHERE THE I'M SORRY.
IT SAID EAST GREENVILLE, NOT ABOVE SINGLES, UH, SO THEY CAN COMPARE AND LOOK WHERE THE FLOOD COMING DOWN IS WHERE THE RIVER COMING DOWN.
UM, BUT IF YOU CLICK ON WE'LL CLICK ON THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER, ROUTE 29, AT THIS POINT, IT SHOWS EVERYTHING IN FEET.
IT WAS C-LEVEL OF ANNOUNCE IT FEET.
SO IT'S MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
SO IT'S ON THE ROUTE 29 BRIDGE IN MONTCLAIR, AND IT'S ON THE ARCOLA ROAD BRIDGE, UM, FOR THE PERKIOMEN CREEK.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PERKIOMEN RIGHT NOW IS RUNNING ABOUT TWO FEET.
IT'S WHAT HAS BEEN RUNNING AT, AND THE SCHOOL'S AT ABOUT SIX FEET, WHICH IS WHERE IT'S ALSO BEEN AT THE ON GAUGE.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS IT FLOODING ON THIS GAUGE? SO WHAT, WHAT THAT WILL DO IS OUT THE GAUGE WILL ACTUALLY GO UP AS THE WATER LEVEL GOES UP.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST SEWING ZERO.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE PERKIOMEN AND IT SHOWS ZERO TO 12, IF IT GOES 12 TO 20, THAT GAUGE WILL REFLECT THAT.
SO AT 11 FEET ON THE PERKIOMEN, IT'LL GIVE US A, AT THAT AT THE TOP, IT'LL TURN YELLOW
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AND IT'LL SEND A NOTIFICATION TO THE STAFF HERE.AND WE WILL SEND OUT THE FIRST NOTIFICATION ON MAKO, READY SAYING THAT THE FLOOD, THE POKEMON CREEK IS THAT A FLOOD LEVEL, AND YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION.
AND I I'M QUITE WORKED OUT THE WORDING, BUT THERE'LL BE SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF IT'S AT FLOOD LEVEL NOW, AND IT'S RISING, OR IT'S A FLOOD LEVEL.
NOW IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO RISE ANYMORE, DEPENDING ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET AT 14 FEET ON THE PERKIOMEN IT'LL TURN RED AND THEY WILL GET ANOTHER NOTIFICATION, THE STAFF, AND WE'LL SEND ANOTHER MAKO READY, ALERT OUT SAYING IT IS NOW CRITICAL.
AND THE PERKIOMEN CREEK IS NOW WELL ABOVE FLOOD STATION.
YOU NEED TO BE TAKING PRECAUTIONS.
IF YOU'RE IN A FLOOD ZONES, THE
SO AT 15 FEET, IT TURNS YELLOW, SAME NOTIFICATION, 18 FEET.
IT TURNS RED, SAME NOTIFICATION.
UM, SO IF YOU GO TO, UM, OVER TO IMPACT STATEMENTS, IF YOU WOULD, JEFF, PLEASE, ALL THE WAY OVER, YOU'LL SEE HERE.
NOW THIS, THIS IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THE, WITH WHERE THE FLOOD GAUGES ARE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE COULD ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT THE WATER LEVELS, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
SO WE TOOK, UM, JENS FROM TOOK THREE ELEVATIONS FOR US ON THE SCHOOL.
SO IT 21 FEET, IT'S UNDER THE RAILROAD BRIDGE ON THE PHOENIXVILLE SIDE AT 21 FEET, 7 21 POINT 17 FEET.
IT'S AT THE TOWPATH WHERE THE, WHERE THE WALKWAY COMES DOWN AND AT 28 FEET, IT'S AT THE INLET OF ORIGINAL ONE.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FLOOD GATES, YOU'LL SEE AS IT'S GOING UP THERE, AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF WHERE YOU NEED TO BE OR WHERE THE WATER IS AT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS.
AND IT'S THE SAME THING FOR THE PERKIOMEN THERE.
WE DID BOTH SIDES OF THE BRIDGE, UH, THE INLETS BECAUSE OF THE LOWEST, AND IT'S 15, 15 FEET WILL SLIDE ON THE LOWER PROVIDENCE SIDE AND 20 FEET IT'S FLOODING ON OUR SIDE.
SO, SO HOW, HOW EASY IS IT TO CHANGE OR ADD THESE THINGS? BECAUSE THE FIRST THINGS THAT FLOOD THAT DOWN IN, IN, IN POOR PROVINCE, UH, MONTCLAIR AREA IS CANAL STREET, THE LOWER CANAL AND POOR PROVIDENCE ROAD.
SO IF THAT'S THAT'S, UH, AT, I DON'T KNOW, UH, 14 FEET, UH, AS A FLOOD STAGE, AND YOU PUT THAT ON THERE THAT SAYS, HEY, AT 14 FEET THAT NO, WE CAN'T BECAUSE THE ELEVATION AT WHERE THE BRIDGE IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ELEVATION IS DOWN THERE.
WE TRIED THAT FIRST AND WHEN WE WENT DOWN THERE, WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE WERE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT THE FLOOD GATES WAS SAYING, AND WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WET.
AND WE WEREN'T, WE, WE TRIED THAT, BUT IT HAS.
THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH JUST WHAT WAS PARALLEL WITH WHERE THE FLOOD GATES WAS.
IT'S JUST IN, BECAUSE OF HOW THE ELEVATION CHANGES ON THE RIVER.
IF IT SAID 18 FEET HERE WAS AT 16 FEET DOWN HERE.
AND SO IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, WE DID, AND WE DID TRY THAT.
THE OTHER TWO THINGS ARE ON HERE, UM, ARE JUST THE, IF YOU GO TO OUR COAL ROAD IN THE PERKIOMEN CREEK, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS A FLOATING GAUGE.
AS THE WATER GETS HIGHER, IT'LL, IT'LL ALSO GET HIGHER.
THE GAUGE WILL GO UP TO AS HIGH AS THE WATER GOES.
AND IT DOES THE SAME THING FOR THE SCHOOL.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AND WATCH WHICH DIRECTION THE WATER'S GOING AS, AS, UH, THROUGH THIS YES.
THAT GAUGE CAN GO UP TO 40 FEET OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I JUST SET MYSELF UP.
NOW, BOTH GAUGES ARE ABOVE WHERE IDA WAS.
SO WE, WE MET ON THE 29 BRIDGE ABOVE WHERE THE WATER WAS AND SAME THING WITH THE PERKIOMEN.
UH, IT GOT REALLY CLOSE ON OUR COLA ROAD, BUT, UH, HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T.
WE, WE LOST SOMEONE AT THE DOG PARK.
IT'S SOMEWHERE IN PHILLY, I GUESS, UM, ON THE LINE GRAPH, HOW OFTEN ARE THE PINGS? I'M LIKE EVERY HOUR, EVERY 15.
IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY TWO HOURS, 1800, 2000.
IS THERE ANY OPTION DOWN THE ROAD THAT THIS SYSTEM COULD BE LINKED IN WITH NOW, YOU'RE SITTING, WATCHING TV AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING, OR A FLASH FLOOD WARNING COMES ACROSS THE TOP OF YOUR TELEVISION.
UM, THE NOTIFICATION THAT WE GET ON ANY OF THE FLOODS, WHEN IT GETS TO 11 OR 14 FEET, MONTGOMERY COUNTY ALSO GETS, UM, WE'VE ADDED THEM TO THE SAME EMAIL LIST.
WE'VE ALSO CONTACTED, UM, MADE CONTACT WITH THE, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I MAY, I DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, THROUGH NOAH AND TO, TO TRY AND GET THIS INFORMATION TO THEM.
THEY NEED TRACK HISTORY WITH THIS FIRST, BEFORE THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM, BUT THEY DO HAVE IT AT THIS POINT.
AND SO THEN THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK TO SEE IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT.
AND THEN FROM THERE, THERE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION, BUT BY LINKING IT TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY TAKING THIS BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE,
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THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT SEEING THIS.IT JUST GIVES THEM THAT MUCH INFORMATION.
SO WHEN THEY PUT THEIR NOTICES IN THERE, THERE ARE ALERTS OUT IN OR WARNINGS OUT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BASE THAT ON THIS INFORMATION HERE.
SO W CAN WE GET BACK JEFF, UH, BACK TO OUR, TO THE, TO THE WEBSITE PAGE, UH, GO TO A SCREW RIVER OR GO TO POKEMON CREEK AT GREATER FOR PLEASE.
THESE ARE, THIS IS WHAT'S COMING FROM THE USDS.
UH, SO IT IS SHOWING BASICALLY THE SAME INFORMATION WE HAVE EXCEPT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENCES.
ARE THERE GAUGES READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP OR HAS READ FROM THE TOP DOWN? UM, SO DURING IDA, THIS AT GRATERFORD, THIS WAS THE TOP WAS 20 FEET.
UM, SO WENT TO 23 FEET ABOVE THAT.
SO THAT JUST STOPPED RECORDING THAT POINT.
UM, SO WE, WE ADDED THIS INFORMATION IN THERE, SO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK BACK AND SAY, OKAY, GREAT.
OR FOR THAT NOTIFIES FLOOD STAGE AT 11 FEET, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 13 FEET THERE AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME ELEVATION, SAME WITH EAST GREENVILLE, UM, THERE ISN'T A SCHOOL GAUGE ABOVE POTTSTOWN.
SO I PUT NORTH SANTA POTTSTOWN JUST BECAUSE, WELL, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY WERE THE ONLY TWO WE COULD USE.
UM, JUST AS A REFERENCE, JUST TO HELP AS PEOPLE LOOK AT THE WEBSITE TO TRY AND MAKE SOME JUDGMENTS AND, UM, MAKE THEM MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
WE, WHEN WE DID THE SMOKE ALARM BLITZ DOWN IN MONTCLAIR, IN PORT PROVIDENCE, WE HANDED OUT PAPERS TO EVERY RESIDENT DOWN THERE THAT THIS WAS UP TO GO ON THE READY MONTCO TO PUT THIS OUT.
UM, WE CONTINUE TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.
UH, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY WE'LL GET, UH, THROUGH THE SOCIAL MEDIA SITE, THROUGH AMBER.
SHE CAN WORK ON GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT.
MAKO, THERE'S 42 RESIDENTS DOWN IN THE POOR PROVENANCE MONTCLAIR AREA THAT HAVE SIGNED UP WHERE WE TESTED IT THIS MORNING, UH, AROUND 10 O'CLOCK.
I PUT A TEST MESSAGE OUT, UM, AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
SO THAT, THAT PART'S WORKING, YOU KNOW, THIS, BUT THE FIGURES THAT YOU SHOW HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN ARE, ARE, ARE TYPICAL OF WHAT I SEE WHEN I'D HAVE GONE TO NOAH'S SITE FOR LIKE, UH, LIKE THE POTTSTOWN POTTSTOWN GAUGE, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD TO USE AS YOU WILL GO UP THERE.
SO THAT WHEN IT SAYS A FLOOD STAGE IS 11 FEET, MODERATE FLOOD STAGES OF 13, WHEN, WHEN IT HITS 13, I GOT TO START MOVING STUFF OUT OF MY BASEMENT, WHERE I USED THAT TO.
UM, AT THE START MOVING STUFF THAT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD FIGURE TO KNOW SO THAT I NEEDED TO START.
I NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THE, UH, 11 AND 14 FEET ON THE PERKIOMEN.
CAUSE THE ACTION FIGURES IS A REALLY GOOD TERM TO USE.
NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED OH YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A VISUAL, WE, WE, I CAN TALK WITH NATE AND I CAN TALK WITH THE, YEAH.
IT WAS GOING TO SAY, YEAH, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, OKAY.
BUT, BUT HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS AT THAT AT WHAT FOOT LEVEL DOES IT TURN RED ON HERE ON THE PERKIOMEN NO, NO.
SO THE GAUGE, THE GAUGE WILL BE UP HIGHER AS IT GOES UP AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT SAYS WHAT'S RED AND IT MIGHT ONLY THE, THE BLUE MIGHT ONLY BE A CERTAIN LEVEL, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW FROM LOOKING AT THIS, THAT WHEN IT HITS 16 FEET, IT'S GOING TO TURN RED.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT THING, RYZEN YEAH, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
FIRST TIME USERS NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT.
WE CAN FIND OUT THAT I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NORMAL UM, GO TO EITHER OUR COLO OR SCHOOL.
[03:05:01]
NEXT TO WATER ELEVATION.IS THERE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO MAKE THE PINGS IN SHORTER INTERVALS DURING AN EVENT? AGAIN, WE CAN ASK, UM, IF THE INTERVALS CAN BE 14 MINUTES OR SOMETHING, AN EVENT WE CAN ASK ABOUT WHAT THE PUTTING SOME SORT OF INFORMATION OUT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT ACTION NUMBER IS ON THERE.
I CAN, I CAN SEE, IT'D BE INTERESTING IF IT, IF ONE FOOT, ONE FOOT BEFORE FLOOD, IT STARTS PINGING IT EVERY 15 MINUTES YOU SHOULD SEE.
ON THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH, THE VERTICAL LINES ARE EVERY TWO HOURS.
BUT IF YOU NOTICE WHERE THE WHITE DOTS ARE, THAT'S ONE EVERY HOUR.
BUT I CAN SEE WHAT YOUR POINT IS AS IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO FLOOD STAGE, THEY MAKE SHOULD PROBABLY PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN.
I MEAN, IN THE CASE OF IDA STORM WAS 15 MINUTES LONG.
I MEAN, HE WOULD'VE, BUT, BUT, BUT THAT BEING THE OTHER STORMS HAPPEN AND IT COMES UP RIGHT.
AND IT COMES UP, IT CAN, WITHIN TWO HOURS, IT CAN CHANGE A LOT.
THE PERKIOMEN FLASH FLOODS VERY FAST AND VERY, AND IT MOVES VERY, VERY QUICKLY TO SCRIBBLE DIFFERENTLY, NOT JUST SQUIGGLES A SLOWER RISER.
UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S BRUTAL, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL GOOD POINTS WE CAN FIND OUT FROM THE COMPANY THAT, THAT IS WORKING WITH TSUNAMI ALARM SIGNAL.
NOW THIS IS AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET.
I APOLOGIZE, CHIEF, WE'RE GETTING REAL.
TSUNAMIS STOPPED THE CHERRY HILL, NEW JERSEY, BUT, WELL, I'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, THAT THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS AND POINTS THAT WE CAN TRY AND CONTINUE TO TWEAK ON THIS, UM, AND MAKE IT MORE, USER-FRIENDLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN GET OUT TO THE PEOPLE IS THAT WHEN, WHEN IT'S FLOODING THE SAME MINUTE, IT'S TIME TO LEAVE.
YOU CAN'T STAY, YOU KNOW, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED THROUGH IT AND STAYED IN THEIR LOCATION.
AND DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GET BAD AGAIN.
IT'S TIME TO GET OUT WHEN IT'S TIME TO GET OUT.
YOU WANT TO TALK TO US ABOUT, UH, THE TRASH ORDINANCE INQUIRY? YOU GUYS, UM, GOT MY HIGHLIGHTS REPORT LAST WEEK.
UH, NUMBER 12, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRASH PICKUP ORDINANCE, UH, JOE BREZA AND THEN I, UH, DID A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, INVESTIGATION, JUST A LITTLE RECAP.
WE HAD A RESIDENT, UM, ASKING US TO CONSIDER, UH, RESTRICTING TRASH RECYCLING PICKUP TO NO LONGER TO NO EARLIER THAN SEVEN.
HE CITED AN ORDINANCE SITE, I THINK IN CONSHOHOCKEN, BUT MOST OF OUR, MOST OF THE TOWNS THAT WE SURVEYED AND I NOTICED SOME OF THE JOE'S CLIENT TOWNS AND SOME OF THE, UM, INQUIRIES I MADE, UH, IT'S PRETTY NORMAL TO HAVE A SEVEN O'CLOCK START TIME.
AND I THINK JOE, YOU HAD SOME, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH MASCARA AND WHITE TAIL.
UM, EVEN IF WE WERE EVER TO CONSIDER CHANGING IT, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH OUR, WITH OUR HOLLERS, BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE IT'S TIME OF THE SUZANNE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY A CONFLICT WITH THE SCHOOL BUS SCHEDULE TOO.
SO I HAVE A REASON NOT TO CHANGE.
UM, IT JUST A QUESTION ON THE, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE THAT THAT'S AT THE TAIL END OF THIS.
WHAT IS THE CUTOFF TIME AT NIGHT? IS IT 10 OR 11? IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER IT'S 11, 11:00 PM.
W WHY, WHY IS IT 11? ESPECIALLY DURING THE WEEK, I CAN SEE, I MEAN, I CAN SEE IT BEING 11 ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, BUT I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS PARTYING LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A SCHOOL NIGHT OR A WORK NIGHT AND THE ORDINANCE IS MOSTLY ADDRESSING, UH, REPETITIVE INDUSTRIAL TYPE NOISE OR NOISE THAT IS FROM MACHINERY.
IT DOESN'T REALLY, THERE'S ALWAYS DISTURBING THE PEACE NUISANCE.
THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET TO THE ALL NIGHT PARTIERS THAN A NOISE ORDINANCE, NOISE ORDINANCES ARE REALLY A DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
SO, SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF SOMEONE'S PARTYING ALL THE TIME, EVERY NIGHT, TOO LATE, THAT THEY JUST NEED TO CALL, WELL, I KNOW THERE WAS ANOTHER EMAIL CIRCULATED TO THAT EFFECT FROM A RESIDENT, SOMETHING ABOUT HOURS PLAYING LOUD, AMPLIFIED MUSIC, YOU KNOW, DURING THE WEEK AT LATE HOURS, UM, WE COULD LOOK AT THE NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE
[03:10:01]
AS THOSE EMAILS POINT OUT, IT USES SOME ARCHAIC REFERENCES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, STEAM WHISTLES AND BUGGY WHIPS, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, SO MAYBE IT DOES NEED TO BE UPDATED, BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE ALL AT ONE TIME.AND NOT JUST IN RESPONSE TO TRASH OR JUST IN RESPONSE TO THIS ONE THING, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE OVERALL ORDINANCE TO UPDATE IT, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS A DEBATE OVER WHETHER TO USE DECIBEL METERS, I'VE DRAFTED OTHER NOISE ORDINANCES, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, UH,
[CONSULTANT REPORTS]
CONSULT REPORTS, UH, ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT UPDATES GEN THANK YOU, JEN.AND, UH, NEXT WE'RE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TO THE ESCROW LIST AND, UH, WE HAVE ONE ESCO OR ESCROW RELEASE THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED THIS MONTH.
SO, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO DISCUSS HERE.
UH IT'S FOR THE RIDGEWOOD BASED TWO A, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
THE MOTION IS THERE UNDER ITEM 15.
AGAIN, IT IS A QUESTION ABOUT THIS DIDN'T WE TURN THESE DIDN'T.
WE TURN TWO REQUESTS DOWN FOR RIDGEWOOD.
TH THAT WAS A REDUCTION IN THE, UH, FOR THE, THE MONEY, THE MAINTENANCE MONEY THAT WE WERE HOLDING.
UH, THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE REDUCTION THAT WE CAN HOLD.
THIS IS ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE GONE ON OUT THERE.
IT'S THE NEXT RELEASE REQUEST? THAT PREVIOUS ONE WAS 14.
THIS ONE'S BEEN INSPECTED IT'S FOR ACTUAL IMPROVEMENT.
THIS IS A GOOD, THIS IS A GOOD SPOT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ESCROW RELEASE.
NUMBER 15 IN THE AMOUNT OF $38,690 AND 17 CENTS FOR RIDGEWOOD PHASE TWO, A ALSO, ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ESCROW RELEASE.
NUMBER 15 IN THE AMOUNT OF $38,690 AND 17 CENTS FOR RIDGEWOOD PHASE TWO.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, UH, MR. SOLICITOR, ARE YOU WORN OUT? ARE YOU GOT A REPORT? YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
AND NOW WE'RE ON TO SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS.I'M GOING TO TAKE JUST A MOMENT AND I HATE THAT I'M TALKING TO AN EMPTY ROOM, BUT FOR THE RECORD, UM, YESTERDAY THERE WAS AN OUTSTANDING ARTICLE IN THE TIMES, HERALD ABOUT THE HEROIC AND BRAVE ACTIONS OF TWO OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS, ACTUALLY MORE THAN TWO, BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE THAN TWO INVOLVED, BUT THE TWO WHO WERE INITIALLY THERE AND RECEIVED SO MUCH, UH, GUNFIRE DIRECTED AT THEM.
UH, SO I WANT TO COMMEND, UH, OFFICER JOHN BIRD SAW AN OFFER, OFFICER MICHAEL SHEEHAN AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE AND THANK ALL OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS FOR OUR SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE PAY THEM A GOOD SALARY.
AND, UH, WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THAT.
AND EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE'RE AT THAT, BUT WE DON'T PAY THEM FOR WHAT WE ACTUALLY ASKED THEM TO BE PREPARED TO DO SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE, PLEASE PASS THAT ON TO YOUR GUYS.
AND, UH, THAT'S IT FOR ME, UH, TOWN, UH, DOVETAILING INTO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE, ONE OF THEM IS BACK IN SERVICE, CORRECT.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS STILL RECOVERING.
AND I JUST WANT TO HOPE THAT HE, YOU KNOW, RECOVER AS WELL AND SOON.
UM, MY FURTHER COMMENTS I HAVE, I HAVE ONE TO ASK EITHER JOE OR TIM OR SOMEBODY, WHERE ARE WE? UM, UM, SIDEWALKS ON SPRINGWOOD AVENUE INTO A BRIDGE PIKE.
[03:15:01]
THAT'S STILL KIND OF LIKE BEING INVESTIGATED IN TERMS OF GOING AFTER TRYING TO GET SOME LAND, TO BE THAT SIDEWALK.I'M GETTING SOME BLANK STARES, UH, WHAT WAS BILL TRYING TO GET INTO YOUR POCKETBOOK? OKAY.
SO WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GONE OUT TO FIND OUT IF WOULD BE WILLING TO LET US BUY SOME PROPERTY FROM THEM, FOR DOUGLAS.
HASN'T GOTTEN TO THAT STAGE YET.
ONE MORE COMMENT THEN IS, YOU KNOW, MY BOOK THING, UH, I RECOMMEND ZERO FAIL BY CAROL LENNOX.
IT'S ABOUT THE SECRET SERVICE.
AND ALSO I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND A COUPLE OF PODCASTS.
ONE IS CALLED INTO AMERICA AND THERE'S AMICUS AND ALSO SISTERS IN LAW.
I HAVE A COMMENT I'D LIKE TO, UM, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK
UM, I WENT TO A CONCERT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
THE GUYS WERE PLAYING SOME BEATLES TUNES.
IT WAS REALLY NICE TO BE AT, UM, IT WASN'T OVERLY POPULATED, BUT IT WAS WELL ATTENDED.
THEN I WENT TO, UM, I GUESS IT WAS LAST WEEK I WENT TO THE DOG.
DAYS OF SUMMER WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.
THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE, THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED, UM, AND, AND SUE AND SARASOTA WERE THERE.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO PUBLICLY THANK THEM FOR THE JOB THAT THEY'VE DONE.
UM, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE SUPERVISORS THAT SHOWED UP FOR THE DUNK TANK TONIGHT.
MEANING JOHN, OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
NO MORE COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO QUICKLY REVIEW THE MEETINGS AND THEN ASK FOR A MINUTE.UM, OUR NEXT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 19TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS.
UH, THE AUGUST 17TH MEETING WAS CANCELED, MEET SEPTEMBER 7TH AND NEXT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, SEPTEMBER 22ND AND NOVEMBER 16, 6:00 PM PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE, SEPTEMBER 14TH AND OCTOBER 12TH, 6:00 PM.
MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY MEETS OCTOBER 6TH AND DECEMBER 1ST 7:00 PM.
AND, UH, THE ZONING HEARING BOARD YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK ONLINE TO SEE WHEN THEIR NEXT HEARING IS SCHEDULED.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.