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WE'LL START WITH, UH, ANY PUBLIC OR DO ROLL CALL FIRST.
I GUESS WE, UH, WE SEEM TO BE MISSING A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, BUT WE HAVE AGE GROUP OF HERE.
WE HAVE, UH, GILLY ROBERT DILLINGER AND TOM WRIGHT.
IS THAT A, IS THAT, THAT WORKS FOR CORE.
UM, SO THEN WE'LL GO TO, UH, ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO COMMENT.
[GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS: ]
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, LOOKING AT THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND.IT'S UH, ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO SINCE WE HAD OUR LAST WEEK.
UM, SO, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND, I DO, I HAVE ONE COMMENT.
SO THE, THIS LAST MEETING WAS MY FIRST MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO ACTUALLY WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE FOR THE PREVIOUS MINUTES FOR JANUARY, I ABSTAINED FROM THAT ONLY BECAUSE I WASN'T PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IT REFLECTS A FIVE.
IT REFLECTS THAT YOU DID, BUT YOU DIDN'T, I CAN FIX THAT IF YOU STILL WANT TO APPROVE THEM, WOULD THAT FIX, OKAY.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.
AND SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, DO WE WANT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, ALRIGHT.
GILLY'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION.
SO WE'VE GOT A SECOND AND A FIRST ALL IN FAVOR.
SO WE'LL PROVE THAT THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO WE'RE MOVING ON NOW TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD APPLICATION FOR STEEP SLOPES ON MINGO ROAD.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT REQUIRES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN THE FAMILY AT TWO 10.
MINGO IS LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY HAS SOME STEEP SLOPES ON IT.
SO THEY'RE GETTING THEIR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
THE PROPERTY IS A LITTLE UNDERSIZED.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT'S, IT HAS SEATBELTS ON IT, IT, IT REQUIRES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN.
IF THEY W IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR IF THEY WANT TO SEND THE ATTORNEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AS PART OF NORMAL THERE I'VE LOOKED AT IT.
I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY ISSUES WITH IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN COMMISSION IS FREE TO, WELL, IF OBVIOUSLY IF THE CONSULTANTS DON'T SEE ANY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, WITH THIS, WITH THIS, UH, ZONING BOARD? DO WE WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK SEND JOE OR, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THE SECTION FROM THE ORDINANCE IS NOT REALLY SERVING ANY PURPOSE? NO, REALLY NO COMMENTS.
IT, WE'RE GOING TO JUST PASS ON COMMENTS ON THAT, JEFF, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEND ANY, UH, UH, SOLICITORS OR ANYTHING.
SO WE'LL JUST, UH, LET THE HEARING BOARD, I'LL SEND THEM AN EMAIL TOMORROW AND LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU TAKE.
SO THEN THAT MOVES TO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS,
[APPLICATIONS TO BE HEARD ON MARCH 16, 2022: ]
UM, WHICH IS THE, EXCUSE ME, C I G O MINOR SUBDIVISION.AND IS THERE ANYBODY HERE REPRESENTING THAT GROUP, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND DRESS YOURSELF AND PLEASE PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME FOR ME.
CCO I OVER I OVER ENUNCIATED IT.
ARE YOU DOING, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I AM MICHAEL CICIO, THE THIRD, 1133
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SECONDS.MIKE, IF YOU COULD SPEAK INTO ONE OR TWO OF THE MIKES THAT ARE PICK ONE, UH, 1133 SECOND AVENUE.
UM, 1358 CERNAN LANE, BLUE BELL, PENNSYLVANIA.
JUST TO, JUST TO COVER ONE THING, I HAVE 10,009 SECOND AVENUE, BECAUSE MIKE'S JUST GONE THROUGH AN ADDRESS CHANGE WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY OF THE HOUSE THAT HE'S BUILDING THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE ADDRESS IS DIFFERENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHANGE IS OFFICIAL YET, BUT THAT'S, WHAT'S ON THE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT.
SO YEAH, IT SHOULD BE OFFICIAL, I THINK, AS OF THE 15TH.
SO JUST TELL YOU ABOUT GO FORWARD.
UM, SO WE ARE OUR PLAN TO SUBDIVIDE.
THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY JUST TO USE SECOND AVENUE, WHICH CUTS THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT AS THE DIVIDING LINE FOR THE TWO LOTS.
UM, IT'S KIND OF A FUNKY PARCEL WHERE IT HAS TWO ADDITIONAL TRIANGLE PIECES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, UH, PICO EASEMENT THERE WITH SEPARATE PARCEL NUMBERS, BUT IT IS ALL UNDER THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING A, WHAT WOULD BE THE EXISTING LOT ON THE RAILROAD SIDE OF SECOND AVENUE, SEPARATE FROM THE EXHIBIT PROPOSED LOT TWO ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF SECOND AVENUE, UH, HELP US OUT HERE.
SO THIS IS YOUR NEW HOUSE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF SECONDS.
AND YOU YOU'RE PROPOSING TO SPLIT THE LOT THERE.
SO EVERYTHING ON THE, I GUESS THAT BE WHAT DIRECTION ON THE RAILROAD SIDE WOULD BE ONE LOT.
AND THEN TO THE RIGHT SIDE WOULD BE THE SECOND LAP.
AND THEY'RE JOINED TOGETHER TODAY.
WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL FOR THE ONE THE SECOND LOT, I GUESS, NO, NOTHING TO BE DONE TO IT.
HOW BIG IS IT THAT SECOND LOT WOULD BE JUST OVER 12 ACRES, UM, ABUSER AND THE LOCK ON THE RAILROAD.
SO I DON'T THINK HE'S THAT WHERE YOUR HOUSES, BY THE WAY I LIVE RIGHT NEAR THERE.
YOU HAVE NO OTHER PLACE FOR THAT EITHER AT THIS POINT.
SO YOU JUST WANT TO SPLIT THE LOCK THOUGH.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR THING.
YOUR JOE, I'M SORRY, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? THEY WANT TO PUT THIS LOCK.
YEAH, WE, UM, WE TALKED, WE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY AT A STAFF MEETING YESTERDAY AND I ALSO EMAILED JOE CLEMETT TODAY, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM.
HE'S REPRESENTING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
CAUSE I THINK HE EMAILED US ABOUT DROPPING OFF THE PLANTS.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THEN I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S NOT REPRESENTING YOU.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, I'VE BEEN REPRESENTING NANCY, ME WONDERING WHAT I WAS STUCK.
THEY DIDN'T DIDN'T HE SAY THAT HE WAS DROPPING OFF THE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN AND U2 SWAPPED AN EMAIL ABOUT THE CHECK OR WAS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE MINGO ROAD PIECE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR THE ZONING HEARING BOARD.
SO ACTUALLY I, AND I THOUGHT THAT JOE CLEMETT WAS HIS ATTORNEY FOR THE ZONING HEARING THAT HE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
AND IT WASN'T NOW THAT I'M STANDING HERE IN THE SAME SPOT.
UM, WE TALKED, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LANDLOCK HOUSE AND THIS IMAGE, I'M NOT MATCHING UP TO WHAT YOU DREW BILL AT THE STAFF MEETING.
SO I'M TURNED AROUND AND WHERE IT IS ON THIS SAME IMAGE.
RIGHT? WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COULD THE NEW LOT TOO, I GUESS IT IS, THIS IS THE HOUSE LOT.
THIS IS THE EMPTY SPACE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
BASICALLY NORTH IS TO YOUR RIGHT SOUTHWEST TO YOUR LEFT.
THIS IS THE PICO RIGHT OF WAY IN THROUGH HERE, THE POWER LINES, RIGHT.
HAFNER ROAD COMES ACROSS THE BACK HERE.
SO THERE'S A HALF IN A ROAD TRIANGLE.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS TRIANGLE THAT'S LANDLOCKED.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE LARGER PARCEL PROVIDED EASEMENT.
SO THAT, THAT TRIANGLE ISN'T LANDLOCKED THROUGH THE PICO EASEMENT, THE SECOND AVENUE, JEFF MIKE.
AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK LOT TWO BOUNDARY IS? DO YOU OWN THE PICO RIGHT AWAY? AND IT'S AN EASEMENT? NO, WE DON'T OWN THE PICO RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS SEPARATE PARCEL NUMBER.
BUT WE DO OWN THE TWO TRIANGLE PIECES ON THE OPPOSITE.
ARE THEY PART OF LOT TWO NOW OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOT THREE AND FOUR? THEY ARE ON THE PLAN.
HE'S NOT SHOWING THEM AS PROPOSED LOT TOO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM ALL IS LOT TWO, JUST TWO LOUD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THERE WAS THESE OTHER SMALLER ONES THAT WERE STUCK.
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THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE BOUNDARY OF HOW IT'S DRAWN IN BECAUSE OF THE PICO EASEMENT AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PARCEL ID NUMBERS.SO I GUESS HE, THE ENGINEER FIGURED IT WOULD BE LESS CONFUSING TO JUST SEPARATE THEM OUT ON AS THEIR OWN BECAUSE OF THE SEPARATE PARCEL ID NUMBERS.
SO, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO JOIN THEM NOW INTO ALL ONE PARCEL ON THE DEED.
THEY'RE ALL UNDER OUR NAME THAT WAS IN THE VERBIAGE OF THE DEED THAT THEY'RE ALL LISTED AS SEPARATE PARCELS.
SO IDEALLY I WOULD'VE LIKED THEM TO JUST ALL BE ONE PARCEL, BUT APPARENTLY WE HAVE TO LIST THEM AS ALL SEPARATE PARCELS.
BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS, YOU JUST WANT TO CALL THAT ALL LOCKED TO CORRECT.
AND YOU OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANT TO EVER DEVELOP THAT.
YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK HERE ANYWAY.
WE WOULD COME BACK AT THAT POINT, IF YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY IT.
SO, UM, IT SAYS EXISTING LOT, 24 ACRES.
THOSE TWO SMALL SECTIONS ARE PART OF THE EXISTING LOT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS AND NICOLE, ANYBODY MIKE, ADAM, THE AJS THING.
UH, THE LITTLE TRIANGLE LOG AFTER IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER ONE ACRE, I GUESS LANDLOCKED PIECES LIKE TWO AND A HALF ACRES AT THAT AT THREE AND A HALF ACRES, YOU'RE SAYING LOT TWO IS 12 ACRES.
SECOND AVENUE IS WHATEVER, 12 MINUS THREE AND A HALF.
THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK THE MATH IS FOR THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE THAT 12 PLUS THE ONE PLUS THE TWO AND A HALF.
PLUS THE 11.8 ON THE OTHER SIDE TO TOTAL THE 24 FROM THAT MISTAKE IN THERE JUST TO CONFUSE MATTERS A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST PULLED UP THE COUNTY DATABASE.
SO YOU SEE THAT IT, THIS IS WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.
IT'S ALL ZIED WITH EVERYTHING ACROSS THE PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NECESSARILY MEANS IN TERMS OF THE TITLE AND ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW THE COUNTY SHOWING IS ALL ONE PARCEL ON BOTH SIDES OF SECOND AVENUE ON BOTH SIDES OF SECOND AVENUE AND ACROSS THE PIECE.
RIGHT? SO REALLY IT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF JUST WITH THE, BUT TH TH THE PLAN IDENTIFIES IT AS THREE PARCELS ALREADY.
SO I, BY VIRTUE OF THE COUNTY HAVING THE Z ACROSS THEM THOUGH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE STAFF MEETING.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THE SUBDIVIDE OFF WHERE THE ROAD IS.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART ALREADY IS CONSIDERED, UM, IN THE SAME TITLE, SAME TITLE WOULD BE THREE PARCELS NUMBERS INSIDE THE SAME TITLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S THREE PARCEL NUMBERS THAT NEVER MADE SENSE TO ME.
CAUSE IF YOU CLICK ON IT IDENTIFIES THREE DIFFERENT PARTS NUMBERS THERE.
I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR TO SEE IF THEY'D MATCH UP WITH EVERY PLAN.
THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT OF COURSE.
BUT YOU CAN CLICK ON EACH ONE OF THOSE PARCELS SEPARATELY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I SAID THAT IF JEFF PRESSED THIS ONE, OKAY.
THAT'S CONSIDERED THE SAME AS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
WHICH IS WHY THEY WANT TO SEPARATE.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR DOING THAT, JOE? WELL, IF BILL THINGS IS RELATIVELY CLEAN, THEN WE WOULD JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO IN FOR MINOR APPROVAL.
NO, TO SERIOUS IT SUBTRACTS OUT THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY OF SECOND AVENUE.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY OF HAFNER ROAD IN THE MATH.
WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? AND THE ULTIMATE RIGHT AWAY OF SECOND AVENUE IS BEING IDENTIFIED AS BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE LOT AREAS, BUT NOT ALONG HALF AND ROW.
SORRY, MIKE, THAT LOT TWO AS IDENTIFIED HERE INCLUDES THOSE OTHER TWO PARCELS.
I MEAN, AS FAR AS ON THE PLAN GOES, WE COULD HAVE HIM LABELED THAT AS LOT TO YEAH.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT, BUT I GOT A FEELING THE ACREAGE MIGHT BE OFF A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN WE GOT A D DOCK, THE ULTIMATE RIGHT AWAY OF HALF NARROWED ALSO BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SHOWN AS BEING DEDUCTED.
ANY PLACE HERE IS AN OPTION OR OFFER YOU DID THAT WITH SECOND AVENUE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN DONE WITH AFTER.
THEN THAT'LL CHANGE THE MATH A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, BUT A LOT,
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BUT I'M SAYING, BUT THEY COULD DO THAT AS PART OF THAT REVIEW LETTER, RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.JOE, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT A NOTE ON, TO SAY ALL THREE ARE BARRED A LOT TOO OR SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THREE PARCELS PARCELS ARE PART OF LOT, TWO SOMETHING ALONG THAT.
I WOULD NEED A RECOMMENDATION OR A PROPOSAL FROM SOMEBODY SAYING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT THIS IS WE'RE PASSED THIS ON TO THE SUPERVISOR, SAYS OKAY.
WITH A LOT TO THE PROPOSED LOT TO CONSISTING OF ALL THREE PARCELS WITH THE CAVEAT OF A NEW MAP UP IDENTIFYING HALF AN A ROAD, UH, RIGHT AWAY.
IS THAT GOOD BILL? THAT'S GOOD.
AND I'M GOING TO ADD ONE MORE.
MIKE, DO YOU HAVE RIGHTS TO CROSS THE PICO RIGHT AWAY TO GET TO THAT LAND? LACK PEACE.
WE DO HAVE RIGHTS TO CROSS THAT.
COULD THOSE RIGHTS BE SOMEHOW IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN ALSO A NOTE OR REFERENCE TO A DEED OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE THING IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S, YOU CAN GET FROM A TO B.
AND THAT REALLY, REALLY RETURNS TO THE ONE LION LOCHLAN ONE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE IT FOR BOTH, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT I JUST KIND OF SAID ABOUT, UH, THAT WE WOULD MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE WITH THE CAVEATS OF, UH, WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
THE THREE PARCELS ON THE TWO LOCKS ARE UNLOCKED TOO.
AND THE, UH, THE NEW, UH, RIGHT AWAY DRAWN.
AND I REFERENCED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE PICO PROPERTY.
IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.
I'LL MAKE THE PROPOSALS THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
HEY, NICOLE'S GIVEN A SECOND ON OUR PROPOSAL AND WE'LL PASS THIS ON AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE TWO LOTS BE SEPARATED WITH LOT TWO CONSISTING OF THE THREE PARCELS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TWO THINGS THAT BUILT WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADD TO IT, TO THE PLATE ALL IN FAVOR.
HEY BILL, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ADD THOSE NOTES TO THAT REVIEW LETTER FOR ME? I CERTAINLY CAN DRAFT A NOTE FOR YOU.
UM, IF CAN YOU PROVIDE ME THE DEED OR REFERENCE THAT YOU SAY WHERE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO ACROSS PICO? YEAH.
YOU'LL BE ON THE SUPERVISOR'S AGENDA FOR MONDAY, GENERALLY ABLE TO COME IN AND SORT OF DO THE SAME THING FOR THEM.
UM, WE'LL BE READY WITH A RESOLUTION THAT SORT OF OUTLINES WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED HERE.
SO YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT AS MUCH.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, ONCE YOU GET THE PLAN CLEANED UP, YOU CAN GO TO RECORDING AND GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED.
OKAY, SO LET'S MOVE ON ON OUR AGENDA.
THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, OUR OLD FRIENDS FROM TOLL BROTHERS IN THE FOLEY TRACK.
AND ALLISON'S HERE TO BASIL ONCE AGAIN, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
IS THIS, IS THIS ON THE BRONZEVILLE? YEAH.
UM, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY ELSE.
SINCE OUR OWN BEHALF OF 12, OTHERS WITH ME THIS EVENING IS BRIAN THERON.
UM, WE'RE HERE ABOUT THE FULLY TRACKED.
I KNOW WE HAVE ONE NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER THAT HAS NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF WRITTEN HOUSE ROAD.
UM, AND IT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR TWO.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A 54 SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING, UM, CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
THE PLAN RECEIVED TINNITUS SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL IN NOVEMBER FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND WE FILED A PRELIMINARY PLAN IN DECEMBER.
UM, WE'VE SINCE RECEIVED REVIEW LETTERS AND WE'VE ALSO MET WITH STAFF AND WE ARE INTENDING TO RESUBMIT THE PLAN FOR CLEANUP.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY SORT OF RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU TONIGHT.
UM, BUT WE HADN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT TRAILS AND SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS AND WHERE ALL THAT STUFF WOULD, SHOULD GO.
SO MY THOUGHT TONIGHT WAS JUST TO RUN THROUGH WITH YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING AND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE ITEMS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT THE THINGS THAT I SAID I DO, THEY'RE ALL IN HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO START.
MAYBE WE SHOULD START WITH THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, LIKE THE BLOWN OUT ONE.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SHOWED ON THE PLAN WE SUBMITTED.
AND THEN YOU GOT A PREVIEW OF THE ALTERNATE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
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THAT THE PROPERTIES ON BOTH SIDES OF RITTENHOUSE ROADS, UM, WE HAVE A POT OF HOUSING ON, ON THE LOWER PART OF THE PLAN, UM, THAT IS A SINGLE CALLED A STACK FROM RITTENHOUSE.UM, THAT GOES UP, THERE'S A LONGER CUL-DE-SAC THAT WILL ULTIMATELY NEED A WAIVER THAN A SHORTER CUL-DE-SAC.
AND WE ARE SHOWING, UM, A CONNECTION TO THE TOWNSHIP PIECE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN, UM, WHICH DOES HAVE SOME TRAILS IN IT.
WE WOULD BE DOING A FURTHER TRAIL CONNECTION THAT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS ON BOTTOM HALF, WE HAVE LONGER COL-DE-SAC, WHICH WE NEED JUST TO GET UP TO GRADE TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK, WE HAVE THIS CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN IT WILL CONNECT TO, AND THIS WILL ULTIMATELY FUNCTION BOTH AS TRAIL CONNECTION, UM, AND EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, WHICH WILL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTH LEWIS ROAD.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THIS, THIS TRAIL CONNECTION THAT COMES OUT HERE AND ALONG THERE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS SHOWN ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.
WE'RE NOT SHOWING SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES HERE, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE NO HOUSES ON THE SIDE.
WE SHOW SIDEWALK UP ON ONE SIDE OF THE INTERNAL ROADS.
UH, THERE WOULD THEN BE A CROSSING AT THIS MAIN INTERSECTION, THE POT OF HOUSING ON THE TOP SIDE OF THE PLAN.
UH, WE'RE SHOWING AGAIN, SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE INTERNALLY, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING A TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THE OPEN SPACE AND WOULD CONNECT BACK TO AND GO INTO AN ADDITIONAL TOWNSHIP AREA OF OPEN SPACE.
UM, ULTIMATELY THIS PART AND BRIAN CAN TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THIS, UM, CONNECTING TO, UH, WHAT WB IS DOING.
SO I KNOW THAT'S ALL CONCEPTUAL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A FULLY CONNECTED TRAIL SYSTEM IN THERE, BUT THAT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT IN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THEN AS WE PROCEED DOWN RITTENHOUSE ROAD, WE ARE SHOWING A TRAIL CONNECTION TO GET US OVER TO THE OTHER PART OF HOUSING.
WE ARE SHOWING INTERNAL SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THEN ON THE PLAN THAT WE FILED, WE ACTUALLY SHOWED A CONNECTION UP TO VALLEY VIEW AND A RAPID FLASHING BEACON CROSSING HERE AT VALLEY VIEW, WHICH WOULD GO ON TO THE HIGH SCHOOL PROPERTY.
UM, SINCE WE FILED THE PLAN, WE HAD MET WITH STAFF AND HAD DISCUSSIONS AND SORT OF STARTED LOOKING BACK THROUGH PLANS AND RIGHTS OF WAY AND WHATNOT.
AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A TRAIL SPUR THAT COMES OUT ON THE HIGH SCHOOL PROPERTY AT VALLEY VIEW, NO ONE'S BEEN ABLE TO FIND A FORMALIZED EASEMENT THAT ACTUALLY GIVES TECHNICALLY GIVES A PUBLIC EASEMENT RIGHTS.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND THE OTHER PLAN THAT JEFF JEFF HAS THAT I'LL HAVE HIM PULL UP IN A MINUTE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, INSTEAD OF DOING THIS CROSSING, DOING THE CROSSING HERE, RUNNING SIDEWALK FROM VALLEY VIEW SIDEWALK THAT EXISTS TODAY, ALONG OUR FRONTAGE OR TRAIL, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, UM, TO CONNECT TO THE TRAIL, WE'RE ALREADY PROPOSING HERE AND THEN ACTUALLY DOING THE RAPID FLASHING BEACON AT OUR INTERSECTION TO GET PEOPLE OVER THERE.
SO THEN YOU ACTUALLY WOULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THE CROSSINGS ACROSS A WRITTEN HOUSE, BUT YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO FUNNEL EVERYONE OVER TO THE PUBLIC TRAIL SYSTEM.
WE WERE ALREADY PROPOSING A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLANDS HERE, SO THAT RAPID FLASHING BEACON WOULD THEN BE WITH THAT PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND.
SO JEFF, IF YOU WANT TO PULL UP THAT OTHER SKETCH, I CAN EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
THIS SHOWS WE WOULD DO TRAIL ALONG THIS PART OF THE FRONTAGE WRITTEN HOUSE BRINGS YOU ACROSS HERE.
AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MORE FORMALIZE THAT CROSSING.
I MEAN, IT'S FOR ALERT EVERYONE TO THAT CROSSING, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY WITH THE FLASHER RIGHT HERE, UM, RATHER THAN DOING A SECOND CROSSING UP HERE WITH THE FLASHER.
SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE YOU HAVE YOU GUYS, I THINK I ASKED THIS QUESTION BACK, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE TIMES, IF YOU GUYS TALKED TO PJP AT ALL ABOUT ANY OF THIS, IF YOU GUYS MET WITH BJP ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SCHOOL BUSES AND ALL THAT, WE'VE, I'VE TALKED TO THEM ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA, WE'RE PROPOSING TO TIE IN SANITARY INTO THEIR PROPERTY IN THE ONE CORNER, UM, OUT IN BEHIND THE BALL FIELD.
SO WE'VE TALKED TO THEM, TALK TO THEIR COUNCIL ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS ARE COMING IN.
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PUSHED BACK OR ASKED ANY QUESTION THEY'RE SORTA LIKE, OKAY, WE GOT IT.UM, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD TO WORK WITH SO FAR.
SO, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THAT THE TRAILS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE FROM YOUR PROPOSAL, THERE'S REALLY NO RECORD OF PJP EVER SAYING, YEAH, THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER, BUT AS WE MET WITH JEFF AND STARTED DIGGING THROUGH, WE KNOW THAT YEAH.
I MEAN, I HELPED THEM DO SOME OF THEIR RESEARCH AND THEN A LITTLE DISCONCERTING FROM OUR STANDPOINT.
THE EASEMENTS ARE HARD TO FIND THE RECORDER.
I MEAN, AT THE COUNTY, I MEAN, THEY GET A DUMMY NUMBER AND THEY'RE ALL IN SOME GIANT BIN SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN'T FIND HALF THE TIME.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE APPROACH PJP AS THE TOWNSHIP AND ASK THEM, COULD WE CONNECT THAT TOGETHER? OR IS IT, I GUESS IT'S WORTHWHILE THE NEXT TIME.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE IN FOR SOMETHING ELSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO DIRECT JOAN, I'D HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THEM IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
WELL, I'M NOT LOOKING TO GIVE YOU WORK.
I'M JUST SAYING, HEY, IF EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE GUYS THAT ARE PLAYING, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THEIR PROPOSAL, THEIR ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME, BUT I MEAN, IF THAT WORKS, YOU KNOW, THEIR PROPOSAL HERE, BRING IT, BRING THE TRAIL BACK AROUND.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME, IT'S STILL SERVED TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, VALLEY VIEW TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION, BRING US DOWN, FUNNEL EVERYBODY IN ONE LOCATION ACROSS TO CONNECT OVER TO THE PUBLIC TRAIL SYSTEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO KEEP GOING AND GO UP AND THEN CONNECT THIS WAY AS WELL.
I APPRECIATE DOING THE OVERVIEWS.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY JOINED THE COMMISSION ON THREE QUESTIONS, THE FIRST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THE DISCUSSION OF POPE JOHN PAUL, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED INCREASED PLUS TRAFFIC WITH SPRING FORWARD AND WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE? WE HAVEN'T HAD A FORM OF DISCUSSION WITH THEM YET, BUT WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM.
UH, SECONDLY, WITH AN ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON THESE TRAILS, WOULD THERE BE PART OF THE PROPOSAL LIGHTING ON THE STREET? IT'S PRETTY DARK ROAD.
WE HAVE NOT PROPOSED REALLY HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT TRILLS.
AND THEN ON THE TOWNSHIPS PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE, I'M GOING TO LIGHTING LIGHTING WAY INTERSECTION OF RITTENHOUSE, TYPICAL LIGHTING STREET, INTERSECTION LIGHT, BUT NOT ALONG THE TRAIL.
THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD TOWNSHIP HAS THAT NONE OF THE TRAILS I'M AWARE OF IN THE TOWNSHIP OR USE AFTER DUSK OR WHATEVER.
I THINK EVERY, ALL THE PARKS AND EVERYTHING ARE ALL CLOSED AT DUSK.
SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S TRIED TO LIGHT PARKS OR TRAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS UNIQUE.
RESIDENTS MIGHT ASSUME IT'S A SIDEWALK.
AGAIN, WE DON'T LIKE THE SIDEWALKS EVEN.
I MEAN, WE, LIKE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HIT MOST STREETS HAVE LIGHTING, BUT WHEN THEIR SIDEWALKS, BUT WE WOULD BE DOING STREET LIGHTING AT THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO THERE WOULD BE THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NECESSARILY LIKE MR. DINGMAN IS SAYING THE PRO'S ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ALONE.
AND THEN, UH, CAUSE I'M COMING IN LATE IN THE GAME, THE INTERSECTION IS A STOPLIGHT OR NO STOP.
JUST TRAFFIC IS FLASHING YELLOW WARNING.
SLOW DOWN OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND HOW MANY DIVISIONS IS IT AGAIN? IT'S 54 HOMES.
UM, SO IT'S DIVIDED INTO THOSE THREE PODS.
WE DO, WE DO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY TO MCMAIN HAS REVIEWED.
UM, AND SO THIS, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THIS SHOWS YOU CONCEPTUALLY OUR MAIN INTERSECTION OF THE TWO ROADS ROAD D UH, GOING ACROSS THIS IS SHOWING YOU WHERE PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLANDS WOULD BE.
UM, AN ESSENTIALLY SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL IN THAT AREA.
AND ON THAT ALTERNATIVE PLAN, WE'RE NOW PROPOSING TO SHIFT THAT RAPID FLASHING BEACON UP FROM VALLEY VIEW DOWN TO HERE, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEN CORRESPOND WITH PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND.
IF YOU WANT TO CROSS THE STREET, YOU'VE GOT THAT RAPID FLASHING BEACON.
YOU HAVE AN ISLAND WHERE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, REST, SO TO SPEAK IF THERE'S TRAFFIC AND THEN FINISH GOING ACROSS THE STREET.
DOES THAT EQUATE TO A CHANGE OF SPEED LIMIT ON THE STREET THEN? UH, NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
I THINK IT'S A 35 MILES AN HOUR OR 45 35.
SO 35 MILES AN HOUR, UM, MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT AN INTERSECTION.
UM, IT'S A STANDARD, UM, SPEED LIMIT FOR THAT TYPE OF APPLICATION.
UM, IT WAS Y YOU KNOW, WE FELT IT, IT WAS A PROPER APPLICATION TO HAVE THE CONTROL CROSSING.
I THINK IT'S PROVIDES THE BEST SAFE MEANS OF CROSSING.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT YOU WANT TO BRING UP NOW, ANTHONY? I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW PROCESS AND THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY,
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I THINK WE'VE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR REACTION AND FEEDBACK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE.I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO TURN LANES OR ANYTHING THAT WERE WARRANTED AS ASSOCIATED WITH THE IMPACT, UM, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED ON THE PLANS AND INCLUDING SOME OF THESE CHANGES, I GUESS, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFSET ESSENTIALLY THE PEDESTRIAN INCREASE, I GUESS, UM, AND THE WALKABILITY, I GUESS, SCENARIO, BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, ON SIMILAR LANES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NONE OF THOSE WERE REQUIRED.
UM, SO WE, WE FEEL THAT THERE, THROUGH THESE THINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE MITIGATING THEIR IMPACT AND THE OTHER.
SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CONCEPT PLAN FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS SHOWING IF WE DID DO A CROSSING AT VALLEY VIEW WHERE THAT WOULD GO, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A THIRD PLAN WHICH LEADS INTO WHAT ANTHONY WAS TALKING ABOUT OF A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WOULD ALLOW, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL WIDENING AND TURN LANE UP TO, UM, SOUTH TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD.
AND I BELIEVE IN THE STUDY, YOU WERE RECOMMENDING THAT IT'D BE A RIGHT TURN INSTEAD OF A LEFT TURN.
UM, SO THIS CONCEPT WAS BASED ON OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE SUBMITTED AND THEN ALSO LENGTHENING WHAT WE WERE SHOWING ON HERE, WHICH WE BELIEVE CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IN ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ACCURATELY.
THEY PRESENTED THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, ALONG RITTENHOUSE ROAD WITH THE CROSSING DOWN AT THIRD NEW INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE CROSSING UP AT VALLEY VIEW.
CERTAINLY THAT SEEMS TO BE A BETTER SIGHT LINE.
W THE FIRST PROPOSAL, IT SEEMS TO BE IN A BETTER LOCATION.
AND IT SEEMS, SEEMS TO KEEP ALL OF YOUR CONNECTIONS INTERNALLY.
WELL, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE.
SO, UM, BUT, UH, I THINK YOU HEARD, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT.
WE ALL THINK IT'S PRO IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD PLAN.
WELL, WE ARE GOING TO CLEAN UP AND RESUBMIT AND WE WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE.
PROBABLY MY GUESS IS IN MAY, IS PROBABLY WHEN WE'LL BE BACK.
YOU KNOW, I JUST MAKE A COMMENT, BUT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THEM SPRINGBOARD, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION NOW FOR FIVE YEARS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE SPRINGFIELD SCHOOL DISTRICT, AS AN EVER HAVE COMMENTS, IT DOESN'T SEEM ON ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH IS SOUNDING ME TOO, THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES AND KIDS AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY, UM, SEND ANY COMMENTS TO THESE MEETINGS.
THEY ARE GIVEN ALL OF THE PLANS.
ANY PLANS AT THAT COMES IN ONE COPY, GOES DIRECTLY TO THEM.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF THEM.
AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, THEY HAD AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WHOSE NAME I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT WHO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THEM SHOWING THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT DECADE OR SO.
AND THAT GENTLEMAN AND I SAT DOWN AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, OTHER PROPERTIES THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM JUST MY ANECDOTAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS, AND IF I'VE EVER GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, A NIBBLE ON THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND I HAVE THAT REPORT BURIED IN MY FILES SOMEWHERE.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, OF, OF WHAT THERE STANDS ON, ON SOME OF THIS, BUT HISTORICALLY THEY HAVE NEVER COME TO A MEETING TO, TO, TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS IDEA.
WE DON'T LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TOO MANY KIDS IN THE THEY'VE HISTORICALLY NOT DONE THAT.
AND WE'VE ASKED, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I SAID, BEEN INVITED AND THEY HAVE NOT CHOSEN NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT MASKS, BUT WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THAT.
JUST AS A QUICK ASIDE TO THAT, IF THIS TRAIL, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES IN, WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES INTO OUR, NOW, IF YOU'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT PRETTY MUCH FROM THE TARGET UP HERE, WHICH IS THIS LARGE WHITE BUILDING, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONNECT A TRAIL FROM RIDGE PIKE DOWN THROUGH THIS PIECE HERE.
WELL, THIS PIECE HERE, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT, A, THE TAYLOR FARM, WHICH IS TOWNSHIP OPEN-SPACE HERE, YOU'LL HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS COMING OUT OF THERE.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE WB DEVELOPMENT HERE, WHICH IS, UM, UH, FOUNDERS ESTATES AND THROUGH, UH, THE WRITTEN HOUSE OR THE RIDGEWOOD DEVELOPMENT THERE'S TRAILS CONNECTING THROUGH THERE, THERE'S THE SIDEWALK NETWORK THROUGH PROVIDENCE CORNER, OUR EXISTING TRAIL NETWORK IN THIS PIECE, WHAT TOLL IS GOING TO BE PUTTING HIM THROUGH THEIR PIECE, DOWN INTO THE HAST PROPERTY.
AND HOPEFULLY FROM THE HESS PROPERTY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO VERY SOON AND VERY QUICKLY CONNECT TO ANDERSON FARM PARK.
SO IT'S GOING TO MAKE A REAL NICE TRAIL NETWORK INTO HERE ONCE
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WE HAVE THIS GREAT, THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD.WE'RE GETTING BITS AND PIECES AND PARTS.
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THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF THIS, UH, AGENDA OR, UH, TODAY.UH, ANYTHING ELSE JEFF, THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS OR TALK ABOUT? NO, I THINK WE'RE GENERALLY, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF QUIET RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH AS OPPOSED TO THE MIDDLE MEETING OF THE MONTH.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE MEETING ON THE SIXTH, EVEN RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY THING I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS, UH, WE HAVE JOE AND I, AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A, ANOTHER CLEANUP AMENDMENT.
SO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AT THE SIXTH AND SORT OF WALK YOU THROUGH IT, TO GET YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRST BLUSH AT IT.
AND, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY GET THAT IN PROCESS.
NOW WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT, JEFF, AS YOU CLEAN UP IS THAT GO TO THE SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE IT.
IS THAT HOW THAT THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND THEY'LL HAVE A FULL HEARING, BUT TH THEY NEED YOUR RECOMMENDATION FIRST AND WE'LL WAIT TO ADVERTISE IT OR TO SEND IT TO THE COUNTY UNTIL YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT AND YOU'VE GIVEN IT YOUR BLESSING.
THEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL SEND IT TO THE COUNTY.
THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE THEIR COMMENTS.
THE BOARD HAS TO ADVERTISE THEIR HEARING.
AND, UM, THEN EVENTUALLY WHERE I THINK WE'RE THINKING IN JUNE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY, UM, HAVE A HEARING.
IT'S JUST SO I, FOR MY EDIFICATION, JEFF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE SOME OF THESE UNTIL THEY COME UP ON YOUR AGENDA.
WE REALLY DON'T WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON.
JUST, WE GOT A FEW MORE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SCI.
IS THERE BEEN ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING THERE, THEY DON'T WORK THERE ANYMORE, BUT WE DID.
WE DID HAVE A MEETING THERE ABOUT SEI.
UM, THEY'RE IN FLUX, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT THIS POINT.
AND I DON'T MEAN THAT TO BE CRITICAL.
THEY'RE JUST WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND WE SAID THAT WE HAD CONSULTANTS MEETING THIS WEEK, WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH PFIZER AND WITH DOW AND EVERYBODY IT'S, THERE'S SOME NEW NORMAL THAT NOBODY'S FIGURED OUT YET FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ON CAMPUS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WORKING AT HOME.
AND I THINK A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND SCI HAS A BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE STAFF FOR.
SO TH THE, THE CONVERSATION WE HAD THIS WEEK AND CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK IS, THEY'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IT AS IS, OR IF THEY'RE GONNA PLAN FOR ANOTHER BUILDING AND THE PARKING GARAGE THAT THEY, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO NEXT.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL IN FLUX.
AND RIGHT NOW OUR PUSH IS TO GET THEM TO CLEAN UP AND TO FINALIZE WHAT THEY'VE SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF TRAILS AND, AND FINISHING OUT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THAT AND WE'LL LET SEI MAKE THEIR BUSINESS DECISION ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NEXT.
SO THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE ROAD ANYMORE AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S NOT, THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT.
I, I, I THINK IT'S STILL THEIR PREFERENCE TO HAVE THAT ROAD IN THERE.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF THE TIMING AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND WITH THE BUILDING AND OTHER BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY UPDATES THEY WOULD LIKE ON ANY, ANY PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE? I WAS JUST SOMETHING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, WE KNOW PFIZER'S FOR SALE, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT OTHER THAN WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF RIGHT TO KNOW REQUESTS FOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PERMITS DO THEY HAVE? WHAT KIND OF RIGHT AWAY DO THEY HAVE, WOULD USUALLY HAPPEN? THE SAME THING HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER SOLD.
SO MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S IN THE PROCESS.
WELL, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR MEETING ON THE, WE'LL WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THE 20TH OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
AND, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.