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[CALL TO ORDER]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE UPPER PROVIDENCE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 22ND, 2022.PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD DIVISIBLE.
[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]
HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A LOOK I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA A SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.AND, UH, I'LL ASK THAT IF YOU HAVE COMMENT BEFORE THE BOARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK, SAY, STATE YOUR NAME AND STREET DRESS CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
AND I REMIND EVERYBODY AT THE DYES TONIGHT, TOO.
IF YOU'RE SPEAKING IN THIS MEETING, YOUR MICROPHONE NEEDS TO BE ON AND YOU NEED TO SPEAK CLEARLY WHERE WE'RE BEING AUTOMATICALLY RECORDED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE RECORD.
SO GOOD EVENING, KRISTIN TROUTMAN, 13, 20 BLACK ROCK ROAD.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, MAYBE A LITTLE QUESTIONING.
UM, I GOT MY NIFTY TOWNSHIP NEWSLETTER AND IN THERE WAS THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE , UM, FEE TAX, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO THE TERM VARIES WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, FOURTH BILLING TIER.
WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE FORMULA FOR VARIES, ANYTHING OVER, I MEAN, IT'S GREATER THAN, OR EQUAL TO 10,795 SQUARE FEET, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING A RESIDENCE VERSUS A GSK, I MEAN, IS THERE A FORMULA YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH TO ENACT THAT MR. CHAIRMAN I'D BE HAPPY TO, THERE'S AN ELABORATE SPREADSHEET THAT I CAN, UH, SEND TO YOU AND WHY I'D NEED TO TALK TO YOU OVER THE PHONE ON THAT, BUT IT'S BASED ON YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
JEN, CAN YOU, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT TABLE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU COULD, I'D RATHER, UH, CONFER TO MY NOTES AND GET BACK TO YOU WITH AN ACCURATE ANSWER.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR PROPERTY IS PROBABLY IN THAT CATEGORY.
UM, BUT OUR BARN AS ONE OF IT'S THE SECOND LARGEST BUILDING ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT OUR GUTTER SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING, HOW IT'S DESIGNED IS WE CATCH OUR WATER ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND IT'S AN ENCLOSED SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD GET A CREDIT.
IT GOES INTO A CISTERN, WHICH THEN FEEDS OUR POND.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE STRUCTURE AND I KNOW, UH, THE TOLL DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHATEVER IT WAS, HIGH FIELDS OF PROVIDENCE, UM, YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY CAME IN TO DO THAT DEVELOPMENT, THEY WERE USING ALL PERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR THE DRIVEWAYS.
AND I KNOW AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE GIVING WAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE HOMES HAVE PERVIOUS DRIVEWAYS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS TO COME INTO THAT CATEGORY OR NOT? UM, AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS I SAW WITH THE, UH, BUDGET STUFF THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY SPENDING MORE MONEY TO REBRAND AND UPDATE THE WEBSITE AND STUFF.
SO I WAS WONDERING, THE TOWNSHIP JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, NOT TOO FAR AGO, TO REBRAND AND COME UP WITH THE UGLY LOGO THAT WE HAVE, UM, WHICH I FOUGHT TO KEEP THE OLD ONE BECAUSE I REALLY LIKED THE OLD ONE.
UM, AND I SAY UGLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON ANY OF THE TOWNSHIP VEHICLES, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
SO I WOULD URGE YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO REBRAND, MAYBE FOLLOW YOUR SLOGAN AND ROOTED IN HISTORY, GO BACK TO THE OLD ONE AND KEEP YOUR NEW SLOGAN.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THE NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT OUR LOGO THERE.
I WAS IN LOWER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP BUILDINGS LAST NIGHT, AND WE'RE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT THEIR LOGO.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED TIMES BETTER THERE AS WELL, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT THOUGH.
UH, BILL TROUTMAN, I LIVE ACROSS FROM THE FIREHOUSE FROM HELL THAT'S BLACK ROCK ROAD.
UM, I WANT TO RELATE MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF THIS YEAR.
I WAS SICK FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS.
DIDN'T GO TO THE DOCTORS, UH, WHAT THIS FIREHOUSE, THEY STARTED SIX O'CLOCK, SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I COULDN'T SLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
I WAS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT, GO AND GET COMFORTABLE ANYWHERE.
UH, THEY START SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
MY HOUSE WAS UNLIVABLE WITH THE NOISE THAT WAS GOING ON OVER THERE.
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THE WALLS OF THAT HOUSE ARE VERY, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THICK WALLS.AND IT'S LIKE, I WAS JUST, I WAS AT THE POINT WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO GET A HOTEL ROOM TO RECOVER.
THAT'S HOW BAD THAT NOISE, NOT ONLY IN THE NOISE, WE HAD A SMELL PROBLEM THERE.
AND THAT WAS FROM PUTTING A RUBBER ROOF ON OVER THERE.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T FIT TO BE OUTSIDE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS IS GOING TO END, BUT I FEEL THIS IS BETWEEN THE NOISE AND THE LIGHTS AND STUFF.
IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE AFTER ALL CONSTRUCTION'S DONE.
SO WHAT I WAS, SO I WAS SO SICK AND I KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO THAT WAS THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE.
AND IT'S LIKE, WHEN'S IT END ONCE A FREAKING IN.
I SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE THE TOWNSHIP WANTS ME TO HELL OUT THERE.
SO, UM, I HAD JUST, I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE ABOUT 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO.
AND FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, I HAD TO CONSTRUCTION OF THE ARTICLE, THE BRIDGE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THAT IS, SO THAT WASN'T BAD ENOUGH.
THEN I HAD THE CONSTRUCTION AND I STILL HAVE CROSSED THE RIVER SO THAT NOW I STILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING MY HOUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UH, THE MIDDLE INTERCEPTOR DOWN THERE.
UH, AND SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN ALL OF THAT, I HAD MR. GAMBLE AND ACROSS THE STREET DOING HIS CONSTRUCTION TO HIS BEAUTIFUL HOME OVER THERE.
I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
WELL, WHAT WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO THEM, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT SOME OF IT.
BUT SOME OF IT'S JUST, I UNDERSTAND IT'S IN THE WORKS IT'S BEING BUILT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT JUST DOES NOT.
AND SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, THE SOUND AND THEY GOT A, ONE OF THOSE PETTY MONS OVER THERE.
THE GUY DRIVING AND HE, HE DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP.
MY WIFE SPOKE FOR THE REST OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
WELL, WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS IT.
GLENN STACK VIS 1 24 PENNYPACKER ROAD.
UH, I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE HAD AN UPDATE ON THE VARIANCE APPEAL FOR THE 1406 PROPERTIES ON RIDGE PIKE.
I ENTERED MY APPEARANCE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWNSHIP AND WE'RE AWAITING A BRIEFING SCHEDULE FROM THE COURT.
SINCE, SINCE THEY WERE DENIED, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON OVER THERE.
I SIT IN MY LIVING ROOM AND MY HOUSE SHAKES, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTANT TRUCKS, THE TRIAXIALS COMING UP, PENNYPACKER ROAD, NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE.
UM, IF YOU'RE ON LINFIELD TRAPPE ROAD, THE HOUSES THEY'RE THERE, THEIR BACKYARDS, BUT UP TO THAT PROPERTY, THERE'S STONE, 25 FOOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEHIND THERE, THEIR BACKYARDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PO THAT THEY GOT DENIED AND ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GO AGAINST THE NEIGHBORS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE.
I JUST, HOPEFULLY I CAN REALLY ONLY COMMENT ON THE APPEAL.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY UPDATES AND I DON'T EVER SAY ANYTHING WERE THERE WERE IT'S TOO EARLY FOR US TO REALLY TALK ABOUT A RESOLUTION YET.
CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR INITIAL SCHEDULE.
I MEAN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON THERE? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.
SEE, NO ONE ELSE RISE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT, UH, WE HELD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON, UH, JANUARY 21ST AND THEN AGAIN ON FEBRUARY 17TH TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL ISSUES RELATED TO THE POLICE AND, UH, THE ARE THE POLICE AND THE FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UH, AND ALSO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS AND A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE MATTERS.[APPROVAL OF BILL LIST]
NOW WE COME TO THE APPROVAL OF THE BILL LIST.IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE LIST THIS MONTH.
AND, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, ABOUT 1.7 OR BETTER OUR FIREHOUSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INSIGHT 10 THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON THE, ON THE BILL LIST? RICHARD, UH, BROKE THAT DOWN.
I THINK ON A EMAIL THAT HE SENT OUT TODAY, THERE ARE A GOOD PORTION OF THAT WAS SOME LIQUID FUELS PROJECTS.
UM, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL CAPITAL
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PROJECTS THAT TOOK UP ABOUT 50% OF THAT.AND VERY, UH, I WOULD SAY LESS THAN 50% WAS OPERATIONAL.
I'LL UH, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
TOMMY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT, TOM? I KNOW YOU HAD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND IT WAS, YEAH.
I'M GOING TO BE MEETING WITH RICH NEXT WEEK TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ON WHERE WE ARE VERSUS BUDGET.
AND UH, JUST AN UNDERSTANDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE AHEAD? ARE WE SPENDING MORE? ARE WE SPENDING LESS? SO IT IS KIND OF HARD.
THERE'S A LOT OF LINE ITEMS ON HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.
SO YEAH, NO, I TOUCHED BASE WITH TIM AND RICH.
I, I FEEL GOOD APPROVING IT TONIGHT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GOING TO MEET AND, AND LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE TRACKING ON THE PROJECT.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM JANUARY 12TH, 2022 TO FEBRUARY 11TH, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF 4 MILLION, $289,253 AND 88 CENTS A SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST.
THE PERIOD JANUARY 12TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 11TH, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF $4 MILLION TO 4 MILLION, $289,253 AND 88 CENTS.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, RIGHT.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
SET OF MINUTES.IT WAS PUBLISHED IN YOUR PACKET FROM OUR JANUARY 18TH REGULAR MEETING.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF CORRECTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 18TH, 2022 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 18TH, 2022, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
UH, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
UH, NOW WE GET TO OLD BUSINESS, UM, AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT FROM CRYSTAL GILCHRIST OF THE PERKIOMEN STORMWATER INITIATIVE.UH, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL GILCHRIST.
I AM, UM, A RESIDENT OF LOWER FREDERICK TOWNSHIP AND CURRENTLY I AM THE ONLY EMPLOYEE VOLUNTEER EMPLOYEE FOR THE PERKIOMEN STORMWATER INITIATIVE.
UM, AND THIS WHOLE EFFORT IS IN RESPONSE TO NOT ONLY THE MOST RECENT FLOODING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN IDA, BUT A LONG HISTORY OF FLOODING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PERKIOMEN WATERSHED.
CAN YOU ALL SEE THIS OR DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO, WE HAVE ANOTHER SCREEN UP HERE.
I CAN'T SEE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MY PERSONAL EFFORT.
UM, AFTER HURRICANE IDA, I REALIZED THAT SOMEBODY HAD TO DO SOMETHING TO PULL THE ENTIRE WATERSHED TOGETHER, TO WORK TOWARDS SOME SOLUTIONS.
UM, BEING AN AICP CERTIFIED PLANNER IN THE PAST DIRECTOR OF THE PERKIOMEN WATERSHED CONSERVANCY AND NOW RETIRED, I SEEM TO HAVE TIME ON MY HANDS.
SO I UNDERTOOK THIS EFFORT, UM, COMPLETELY ON MY OWN.
I AM SUPPORTED BY LOWER FREDERICK TOWNSHIP, UH, BY USE OF THE EMAIL SERVICE.
UM, SO MY GOAL IN ALL THIS IS TO PROPEL THE PLANNING FORWARD FOR, UH, STORM WATER AND FLOOD FLOODING PLANNING.
SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE GEOGRAPHY FOR A MINUTE.
AND FOR ANYBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THIS IS THE PERKIOMEN WATERSHED, THE ENTIRE CREEK WATERSHED.
IT IS THE LARGEST SUB WATERSHED IN THIS SCHOOL KILL RIVER BASIN.
SO THEREFORE IT CONTRIBUTES AN AWFUL LOT OF WATER TO COMMUNITIES DOWNSTREAM, INCLUDING PHILADELPHIA.
IT EXTENDS INTO BERKS COUNTY UP HERE, BALLY DISTRICT, UM, TOWNSHIP UP HERE, LOWER AND UPPER MILFORD IN LEHIGH COUNTY, ALL THE WAY INTO BEDMINSTER IN BUCKS COUNTY.
SO THAT'S HOW FAR THE EAST BRANCH GOES INTO, UH, BUCKS COUNTY AND THEN PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE WESTERN HALF OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
SO IT'S A VERY LARGE WATERSHED 50, I THINK I HAVE THE NUMBER WRONG.
I THINK IT'S 52 MUNICIPALITIES, UM, FOUR COUNTIES, WHICH COMPLICATES PLANNING EFFORTS FOR SURE.
UM, AND THEN IT'S THE STREAM ITSELF RUNS 37.7 MILES, BUT THAT DOES NOT COUNT ALL OF THE STREAM MILES FOR THE PERKIOMEN CREEK.
IT'S A VERY LARGE CREEK WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF SMALLER WATERWAYS MAIN ONES, THE SKIP BACK THE EAST BRANCH, THE CREEK, THE WEST BRANCH AND THE MAIN BRANCH OF THE PERKIOMEN AND THE SWAMP CREEK ARE HERE.
SO IT'S A LARGE WATERSHED, WHICH MEANS WHEN IT RAINS AND A HEAVY STORM.
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DOWNSTREAM, MOSTLY TOWARDS YOU GUYS.SO JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE U S GEOLOGIC SERVICE GAUGE IN GRATERFORD.
UM, THIS DATA RUNS FROM 2000 TO 2022.
THE RED LINE AT THE TOP IS THE FLOOD STAGE MARKER.
AND THIS IS CALCULATED IN, UH, CUBIC FEET PER SECOND.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE HAVE WET PERIODS, DRY PERIODS, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SPOTS WHERE THE PERKIOMEN HAS, UH, CRESTED OVER FLOOD STAGE.
THIS IS IDA OUT HERE, UH, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THIS GAUGE TOPS OUT AT 70,000 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, 70,000 WITH THEM.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HAVE YOU ALL HEARD THE ADAGE OF PINTS OF POUND THE WORLD AROUND, OKAY.
A PINT WEIGHS A POUND THERE, EIGHT PINTS IN A GALLON THERE THAT'S, UM, EIGHT POUNDS PER GALLON.
THERE ARE SEVEN AND A HALF GALLONS IN A CUBIC FOOT.
60 TIMES 70,000 GETS YOU 4 MILLION, 200,000 POUNDS OF WATER OR 2100 TONS OF WATER.
AND THE ENGINEER WILL TELL ME WHAT THAT'S NOT MOVING.
THE REAL FORCE OF THAT WATER IS WHEN IT STARTS TO MOVE.
AND I HAVEN'T CALCULATED THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT THE ENGINEER.
UM, BUT THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF WATER PRESSURE MOVING DOWNSTREAM.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER DATA ON THE GAUGE, THIS IS LISTED ENGAGE HEIGHT, AND HERE THE GREEN LINE IS THE FLOOD STAGE RIGHT HERE.
THE RED LINE ON THIS GAUGE IS THE OPERATIONAL LIMIT OF THE GAUGE.
IT CAN'T MEASURE ANY HIGHER THAN THAT AND THAT TOPS OUT AT 20 FEET.
SO WE KNOW THE PERKIOMEN WAS OVER 20 FEET DURING IDA ESTIMATES ARE 20, 20, 22, 23 FEET ABOVE FLOOD STAGE.
THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF WATER AND IT COMES FROM THAT ENTIRE HUGE 365 SQUARE MILES OF WATERSHED.
SO WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF ALL THAT? WELL, THERE'S PERSONAL LOSS OF HOMES AND FAMILY BELONGINGS.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S A RECURRING FINANCIAL LOSS TO BUSINESSES, AND I'M SURE MANY OF YOUR BUSINESSES HERE IN LOWER PROVIDENCE WERE AFFECTED BY THE FLOODING.
YOU HAVE TO REPAIR AND REPLACE YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE BRIDGES WASH OUT ROADS, WASH AWAY ALL THERE'S LOSS OF LIFE AND THE RISK TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND I KNOW THE FIRST RESPONDERS DURING ITA MADE SOME AMAZING WATER RESCUES IN THE MIDST OF THAT STORM.
THAT'S A RISK TO THEM, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE PROPERTY VALUE IN AREAS THAT ARE IMPACT IMPACTED BY FLOODING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TEND TO DROP, OF COURSE, THERE'S WATER POLLUTION.
WE ALL KNOW ALL THE JUNK THAT WASHES INTO THE CREEK EVERY TIME THE WATER COMES UP.
AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S NO LONGER LIMITED TO THE LOWER PERKIOMEN CREEK DURING IDA.
THERE WAS FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED, EVEN THE UPPER REACHES OF THE WATERSHED BECAUSE THE WATER CAME SO FAST, IT HAD NO PLACE TO GO.
SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ALL THIS? WELL IN 1978, THE PENNSYLVANIA LEGISLATURE ENACTED ACT 1 67, WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO GIVE COMMUNITIES A WAY TO PLAN FOR STORM WATER AND ADDRESS FLOODING ISSUES.
IT ALSO INDICATED IN THAT LEGISLATION THAT THE COUNTIES ARE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES FOR THESE, UM, FOR THESE STUDIES.
SO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE FOUR COUNTIES INVOLVED IN PERKIOMEN WATERSHED IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AN ACT WANTS IT TO SEVEN PLANT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE FOR THE PERKIOMEN NEXT, PLEASE.
SO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE? THERE WAS A 1 67 PLAN DONE FOR THE SWAMP CREEK IN BERKS COUNTY AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
IN 2007, THE EAST BRANCH WAS DONE IN 2004.
THE UPPER PERKIOMEN IN THE LEHIGH COUNTY AREA ONLY WAS DONE IN 2010.
THE LEGISLATION SAYS THESE SHOULD BE UPDATED EVERY 10 YEARS.
SO THESE ARE ALL OUT OF DATE AND NONE OF THEM ADDRESS THE ENTIRE CENTER OF THE WATERSHED, WHICH WAS WHERE ALL THE WATER ENDS UP.
IN ADDITION, IT'S IN THREE SEPARATE DEP RIVER BASIN COMMISSIONS, THE UPPER DELAWARE BASE AND INCLUDES LEHIGH COUNTY.
THE LOWER DELAWARE BASE INCLUDES BUCKS AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND BERKS COUNTY IS IN THE SUSPECT HANNA RIVER BASIN WAY FAR WEST.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER COMPLICATING FACTOR FOR THIS WHOLE EFFORT NEXT.
SO WHY SHOULD WE DO THIS? WELL, WE KNOW THAT THE STORMS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WHERE THEY ARE, IF NOT GET WORSE IN THE FUTURE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET BETTER.
UM, WE KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE, WHICH MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE RUNOFF IN
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THE FUTURE.WE KNOW THAT, UM, THIS IS A COMPLICATED 1 67 PLAN WITH THE FOUR COUNTIES AND IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CENTRAL PART OF THE WATERSHED AND ACT 1 67.
WE'LL PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR THE ENTIRE WATERSHED SO THAT WE CAN ACT IN CONCERT TO ADDRESS THE STORMWATER AND THEN GET SOME REGIONAL EFFECTIVENESS RATHER THAN HAVING ANY PARTICULAR MUNICIPALITY ORLANDO OWNER, TRY TO ADDRESS FLOODING ON HER OWN BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY CANNOT.
AND IT WOULD FINALLY ENGAGE THE DEP IN ACTIVE STORM WATER PLANNING FOR THIS WATER TIP NEXT, PLEASE.
SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I HAVE SENT OUT A REQUEST TO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES, THE WATERSHED FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE ACT 1 67 PLANNING.
AND MY GOAL IS TO COLLECT HOPEFULLY ONE FROM EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE WATERSHED, AS WELL AS ANY NON MUNICIPAL OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM BUSINESSES OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND CARRY THESE TO ALL FOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTING THAT THEY BEGIN THE ACT 1 67 PLANNING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE IN THE PERKIOMEN CREEK WATERSHED.
SO IF YOU KNOW ANY, UH, ORGANIZATIONS IN ADDITION TO HOPEFULLY, UH, THE TOWNSHIP THAT MAY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS EFFORT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK TO THEM AS WELL.
SO WHAT'S THIS CRAZY TIMELINE FOR ALL THIS.
HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, I WILL HAVE ALL THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT I NEED TO GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BY THE END OF 2022, UM, IN 2023, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH ALL FOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PUT TOGETHER A SCOPE OF WORK, FIND CONSULTANTS.
CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG STUDY.
IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LARGE TEAM OF CONSULTANTS.
IF WE CAN GET ALL THAT DONE IN THE NEXT TWO, TWO AND A HALF, MAYBE THREE YEARS, THE STUDY COULD BEGIN IN 20 24, 25 PROGRESS FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS TO 20 26, 27.
I'M ALREADY STRETCHING MY TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT HERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE DECADE, WE WOULD HAVE THE STUDY DONE THE REVIEWS AND APPROVALS DONE, AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BEGIN PLANNING FOR SOME OF THESE STORM WATER MITIGATION EFFORTS THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
UM, SO THAT KINDA BRINGS ME TO TONIGHT'S, UH, REQUEST.
AND THAT IS IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, BUT I AM BOTTOM LINE LOOKING FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM UPPER PROVIDENCE, UM, TO SUPPORT A REQUEST TO THE COUNTIES FOR ACT 1 67 PLANNING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM.
OH, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE AN MS FOR SPEND THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO AS ALL MUNICIPALITIES ARE PENNSYLVANIA.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO DO THAT ARE THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR CURRENT SPEND WAS TO REPAIR ONE OF OUR LARGE RETENTION BASINS.
UM, BUT THAT WAS CHANGED TO STREAM REPARATION.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE ENGINEER IS THAT THE, THE MS FOR THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS TO PREVENT SILTING OF THE, OF THE PERKIOMEN CREEK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A STORM LIKE THE ONE WE HAD WHERE WE RECEIVED 12 TO 14 INCHES OF RAIN IN 12 TO 14 HOURS, NUMBERS ARE EASY TO REMEMBER FOR ME.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD HAVE DONE MUCH TO PREVENT AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE, THE TERMINUS OF THE PERKIOMEN IS HERE IN THIS TOWNSHIP.
SO, AND THE LOWER PERKIOMEN ARE THE LOWER, UH, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, LOWER PERKIOMEN, UH, SEWER AUTHORITY DOWN HERE.
THEY USED SUSTAIN OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE AT THEIR PLANT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT SLAMMED ON THE SCOPE OF RIVER.
UM, OUR TWO VILLAGES DOWN THERE, PORT PROVIDENCE AND MONTCLAIR.
SO I GUESS, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MY QUESTION IS, BUT I I'M I'M, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE SEE RAINFALL OF THAT INTENSITY AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THE 12 TO 14 INCHES, BUT THAT WAS ON SODDEN GROUND.
WE'D HAD SEVEN INCHES OF RAIN JUST A FEW WEEKS BEFORE IN AUGUST.
AND THE GROUND WAS ABSOLUTELY SATURATED.
THE RIVER AND THE CREEK WERE ALREADY HIGH.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL, MOST OF THE, WE, WE HAD A, AN ALERT ON THE DAM, UH, THE PICKERING DAM OVER IN CHESTER COUNTY.
THAT, THAT WOULD'VE REALLY, FORTUNATELY IT DID NOT HAPPEN, BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T, I THINK YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS THOUGH, ARE RIGHT ON POINT IN THAT NO MUNICIPALITY CAN ADDRESS FLOODING ON THEIR OWN.
IT IS A WATERSHED WIDE ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE ENTIRE GEOGRAPHY OF THE WATERSHED, BECAUSE EVERY DROP OF WATER THAT FALLS IN THE BERKS COUNTY, PART OF THE WATERSHED FLOWS BY YOUR FRONT DOOR OUT HERE.
SO NO MUNICIPALITY CAN DO IT ALONE, WHICH IS WHY
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I'M TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TO PULL TOGETHER AS ONE COLLECTIVE WATER SET WATERSHED COMMUNITY TO SHOW THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN ALL FOUR OF THESE COUNTIES THAT IT'S TIME TO ACT.WE ARE NOT GOING TO STAND BY AND REBUILD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THE COUNTIES HAVE REFUSED TO DO THIS.
THIS IS THE ACT 1 67 BROADER THAN THE M MS. FOR WE LOOK AT THESE URBANIZED AREAS, SOME TOWNSHIPS ONLY ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, EMMA'S FOR, IN PARTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
W WOULD THIS BE COVERING ALL OF THE TOWNSHIP, EVEN IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE URBANIZED AREA? YES.
WELL, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD COVER ALL OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT'S WITHIN THE PERKIOMEN WATERSHED, THE GEOGRAPHY GEOGRAPHICALLY WATERSHED.
UM, I THINK THE MS. THE MS FOUR PROGRAM, I THINK IT WAS DESIGNED TO GET MUNICIPALITIES ACTIVE IN DOING SOMETHING AND THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, POSITIVE IMPACTS FROM THAT EFFORT.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, IT'S PATCHWORK OF EFFORTS AND BUILDING A RETENTION BASIN IN UPPER PROVIDENCE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WATERSHED, ISN'T GONNA SAVE YOU MUCH IN A BIG STORM.
UM, BUT RETENTION BASINS IN THE UPPER PART OF THE WATERSHED AND ABSORB AND HOLD BACK THAT FIRST COUPLE INCHES OF RAIN WHERE IT LANDS THAT MAY HELP YOU.
SO THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM US, WHICH I SUPPORT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD START ACTING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY SECOND.
SO THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR ELDERS, THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO THEN FILL IT OUT AND APPLY FOR THIS ACT.
THE ACT REQUIRES COUNTIES TO UNDERTAKE THIS PLANNING DOESN'T AUTHORIZE MUNICIPALITIES OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION TO DO THIS PLANNING.
IT'S ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR COUNTIES.
AND I THINK IN MANY SMALLER WATERSHEDS, THAT PROBABLY WORKS OKAY FOR A WATERSHED.
THAT'S MOSTLY CONTAINED WITHIN ONE COUNTY, BUT FOR WATERSHED LIKE THE PERKIOMEN, UH, WHICH HAS LARGE PARTS OF THE UPPER WATERSHED PARTICULAR IN THREE OTHER COUNTIES, THE IMPACT ON MONTGOMERY COUNTY AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT TUNNEL IS DRAMATIC.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TO GET ALL FOUR COUNTIES TO ADDRESS THE ENTIRE WATERSHED.
I AGREE ON, UM, WITH THE LEAN HERE ON, UH, I, I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THE SUPPORT THAT WE, THAT YOU NEED FROM US.
YOU NEED TO TALK TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE UPSTREAM FROM US BECAUSE WE GET ALL THE WATER AND REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW NIGHT.
I, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I LIVED ALONG THIS GOOGLE AND THE PERKIOMEN ALL MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, UH, SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
THEY, THEY PUT LEVIES ON THE SUBSEQUENT HANA, WHICH IMPROVED SOME OF THE AREAS, BUT NOT ALL OF THE AREAS.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT DO YOU SEE THEM DOING TO CIRCUMVENT ALL THIS WATER? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF VISION DO YOU HAVE ON ALL OF THIS, UH, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE TO THE, TO THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES AND SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S GET THIS ACT AND MOVING, AND, AND WE, YOU NOW HAVE THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES UP THE WATERSHED.
WHAT'S THE PLAN, WHAT'S THE PLAN.
I MEAN, WHAT THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO DO ALL THE MODELING INVOLVED.
AND THAT'LL TELL YOU WHERE THE MAIN PROBLEMS ARE AND WHERE YOUR BIGGEST OPPORTUNITIES ARE TO LIKE RETAIN WATER.
BUT IN MY MIND, IT'S KIND OF, YOU'VE HEARD OF THE PHRASE DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS.
THIS WOULD BE SALVATION BY A MILLION RAIN GARDENS.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER WAY TO PUT IT, BUT EVERY, EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE WATERSHED HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING, TO RETAIN STORM WATER, WHETHER IT'S A SMALL RAIN GARDEN IN THEIR YARD, OR A BIG PROPERTY THAT MAYBE HAS ROOM FOR A LARGE RETENTION BASE IN, OR, YOU KNOW, HUGE WATER GARDEN.
UM, WE, WE TEND TO, UH, WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE COME AND FIX THE WHOLE PROBLEM FOR US, BUT REALLY WE ARE ALL THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE ALL CAN DO BETTER IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING STORM WATER.
NOW I'M FROM SHANKSVILLE AND I ACTUALLY HAVE TO LIVE UP ON A HILL.
SO I WASN'T ONE OF THE POOR, UNFORTUNATE SOULS THAT GOT FLOODED OUT UP THERE.
BUT, UM, WHEN YOU SEE HOUSE THAT WAS RAISED UP ON STILTS SPINDLY STILTS, UM, THAT IS NOW TWO LOTS DOWN THE RIVER THAT WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THAT WE JUST CAN'T.
IT MIGHT TAKE US 20 YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN SEE A DIFFERENCE, BUT IF WE CAN GET A PLAN TOGETHER BEFORE THE END OF THE DECADE, AND WE'D START WORKING ON FINDING WAYS TO MITIGATE THIS STORMWATER, MAYBE IN 20 YEARS,
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WE WILL NOT HAVE IDA AFTER HELENE, AFTER HENRY, AFTER ALL THE OTHER ONES, UM, HURRICANES WILL COME, BUT WE DO HAVE A WAY TO MANAGE OUR OWN LANDSCAPES.WE CAN'T MANAGE THE GLOBAL CLIMATE, BUT WE CAN MANAGE OUR OWN LANDSCAPES.
THAT'S LIKE, SO IF I COULD SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THE TOPIC IS VERY RELEVANT.
I THINK YOUR TIMELINE, YOUR PRESENTATION WERE WELL PUT TOGETHER.
UM, A TEN-YEAR PLAN IS NOT ASKING TOO MUCH.
I DON'T THINK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I HAVE THE PERKY THAT I'M NOT A WATERSHED EXPERT.
UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY COVERS HALF OF OUR TOWNSHIP.
IT LOOKS LIKE, I THINK, UH, THE SCOOP GIL THAT'S MONTCLAIR AND, AND THOSE AREAS THAT WERE, WERE DEVASTATED BY IT AS WELL, UM, ARE NOT PROBABLY ALL IN THAT.
IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE MAP.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOUR TIMING IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR TOWNSHIP TO BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO RECTIFY SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME MEETINGS COMING UP WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIORITIES FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, OH, SO WE THINK WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FITS INTO THAT PLAN AS WELL.
BUT, UM, JEFF AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND, AND SUSTAINABILITY.
SO I THINK IT'S A VERY RELEVANT TOPIC.
UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE TOPIC.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST US OVER THE TIME.
I'M ALWAYS, I'M PROBABLY THE MONEY GUY HERE ON THE BOARD, WORRIED ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
BUT, UM, I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE, HAVE WE DONE ANY BENCHMARKING HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY AND THE STATE STARTED 10 YEARS AGO? AND SO I'M KIND OF WITH, WHAT'S THE PLAN, RIGHT? WE CAN'T BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'D BE KIND OF INTERESTED IS WE GOTTA BE, WE GOTTA THINK OF ALL OF UPPER PROVIDENCE HERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A LETTER DOES OTHER THAN MAYBE JUST PUT US IN THE GAME.
IT JUST PUTS US IN THE GAME MAYBE.
AND THAT'S IT, BUT IT DOESN'T COMMIT US TO ANYTHING.
UM, I'M ALL FOR GETTING IN THE GAME AND CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP YOUR TIMINGS, YOUR TIMING'S GOOD.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING DOWN TALKING ABOUT MAYBE SOME LONGER-TERM PLANS AND THIS NEEDS TO FIT INTO THAT.
IF WE CAN CONVINCE THE FOUR COUNTIES THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO UNDERTAKE, UM, WE, THERE IS NO FUNDING.
THE LEGISLATION INITIALLY HAD FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THAT'S BEEN DROPPED.
SO DEP HAS NO FUNDING, COUNTIES HAVE NO FUNDING, NOBODY HAS ANY FUNDING.
SO, UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO SOME IN TERMS OF FUNDING THIS STUDY TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THE STUDY IS EVEN UNDERWAY, WE CAN BEGIN TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHERE, WHERE THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR PROJECTS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO RIGHT.
WHAT MOSTLY WILL HAPPEN FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, WHAT WAS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE STUDY WILL RECOMMEND SOME CHANGES TO ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE GREATER MITIGATION ON SITE.
THAT WAS THE OUTCOME FOR THE ONE IN SWAMP CREEK.
IT INCREASED, UM, THE STORM WATER MITIGATION THAT YOU HAD TO DO ON SITE WHEN YOU DEVELOPED AND THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY OF OUR EXISTING PROBLEMS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A 1 67 PLAN GIVES A MUNICIPALITY OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THE STANDING TO GO FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY CAN DO PROJECTS THROUGH GRANTS.
UM, I KNOW THE PERKIOMEN WATERSHED CONSERVANCY IS ALWAYS HAS A LIST OF GRANTS AS LONG AS YOU'RE, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH.
SO IT PROVIDES A FLOOR FOR A LOT OF OTHER ACTIVITIES.
WE JUST HAVE TO START AT THE FLOOR.
SO YOU NEED US TO SUPPORT YOU WITH A LETTER TO GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR THE FOUR COUNTIES.
TIM CAN SEND ME AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THAT EMAIL, AND THAT WOULD BE HUGELY APPRECIATED.
IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR FORM, SEND IT ON TO MR. TREATMENT.
I'M A SUPPORTIVE ASKING THE COUNTY TO DO THEIR JOB.
THE DAY AFTER I SENT IT, GOOD BILLS CAME IN SHORTLY AFTER THAT.
AND THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
DOING THE SENIOR RETIREMENT PLANNER, NEVER TIRED.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
SO MS. FOUR IS WHAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH HERE.
AS FAR AS PRIMARILY QUALITY CONTROL AND THE ACT 1 67, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT VOLUME CONTROL, PEAK CONTROL, AND THE DEPTH OF WATER THAT'S FLOWING DOWN, WHICH IS CREATING THOSE FORCES.
UM, AS FAR AS ORDINANCE, THE ACT 1 67 PLAN WOULD ONLY
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PERTAIN TO THIS WATERSHED.SO YOUR PORTION OF THE MUNICIPALITY OUTSIDE OF THE WATERSHED WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY CONTINUE TO FALL UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
NOW, THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW AND THE OTHER PORTIONS WOULD THEN FALL UNDER THE 1 67 PLAN.
IF THERE WERE ANY CONFLICTS OR CHANGES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT OVERALL STUDY AND BEING AT THE BOTTOM, TYPICALLY IN THE OTHER PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN THE PEOPLE AT THE VERY, VERY BOTTOM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT QUALITY, QUANTITY OF WATER AND FORCES.
YOU NEED YOUR WATER OUT OF HERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT OTHER WATER'S COMING.
SO IF YOU CONTINUE TO FILL UP ALL YOUR BASINS DOWN HERE AND YOU ALL RELEASE IT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEIR SLUG COMES DOWN, YOU'VE JUST MADE THE OVERALL SLUG BIGGER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT OVERALL STUDY WOULD ADDRESS AND HOW THEY WOULD TAPER THOSE AREAS.
AS YOU MOVE FURTHER UPSTREAM TO TRY TO RE REDUCE THE OVERALL PEAK AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
AND OUR RMS FOR SPEND ONLY APPLIES TO THE PARK UNIT WITH WATERSHED ALSO, RIGHT? WE DON'T, WE DO NOTHING ON THE SCHOOL, GOOGLE THAT'S CORRECT.
DO WE NEED TO ASK, IF YOU FEEL FREE TO SHARE THE POWERPOINT AND THE SUMMARY OF THE ACT 1 67 AND LETTER OF SUPPORT WITH ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU FEEL MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING IT, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, BUSINESS GROUPS, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UH, ALL THOSE WILL BE VERY HELPFUL TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
CRYSTAL, I MAY ASK YOU TO COME SPEAK TO OUR MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.
UM, THEY'RE THE ONES DOING OUR MS FOR THERE MAY BE A NEXUS THERE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I, I THINK WE WANT IT TO BASICALLY SAVE IT.
UH, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT WE SUPPORT THE PARK UNUM OR STORM WATER INITIATIVE IN THEIR QUEST TO GET THE FOUR COUNTIES AND THE PERKIOMEN WATERSHED TO, UH, DO AN ACT WAS ACT 1, 1 67 STUDY.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SUPPORT THE PERKIOMEN STORM WATER INITIATIVE AND ASKING THE FOUR COUNTIES OF THE PERKIOMEN WAR OR SHED TO DO AN AX 1 67 STUDY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
AND, UH, WE DISCUSSED THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, IF THERE'S, UH, NO COMMENTS, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF, UH, CHIEF DAN KERRIGAN OF EMERGENCY SERVICES.
I'LL MAKE, UH, MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DAN KERRIGAN'S RESIGNATION.
THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF DAN CARRIGAN.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF DAN KERRIGAN.
AND UH, NOW WE HAVE A RESOLUTION TO CONSIDER AUTHORS ARE AUTHORIZING THE DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN PUBLIC RECORDS PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL RECORDS MANUAL.
SOMEONE WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? I HAVEN'T READ THE MANUAL YET.
NO, I HAVEN'T GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY.
AND JOE, IF I MISSED ANYTHING, UH, CORRECT ME, BUT THE STATE HAS A VERY THICK MANUAL, WHICH PRESCRIBES BITCH PRESCRIBES A, THE, THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH WE CAN KEEP CERTAIN RECORDS LIKE FOR PAYROLL RECORDS.
WE CAN ONLY KEEP A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, CERTAIN TYPES OF BANK STATEMENTS, CERTAIN RECORDS.
WE HAVE TO KEEP ON A PERMANENT BASIS LIKE PERSONNEL FILES AND THE, THE, THE BOOK IS SO THICK.
UM, SOMETIMES WE GET PARANOID ABOUT THROWING AWAY ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH JUNK HERE, BUT, UH, WITH CHERYL'S, UH JUDICIOUSNESS AND GOING THROUGH THE WEEDS OF THAT, WE WERE GONNA, WE'RE GETTING BACK ON TRACK ON GETTING RID OF SOME OF OUR, UM, RECORDS.
AND WE COMPILED OUR VERY, THIS IS PROBABLY A SERIES OF SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS YOU'LL BE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WE GO THROUGH THEM.
BUT, UH, ALL THESE, UH, AN EXHIBIT A HERE IS ALL THE, UM, UM, TYPES OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DISPOSE OF.
AND, UH, ALSO IT SAYS WHAT THEY RETAINED RETENTION LEVEL IS ON EACH ONE.
SO, UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A BUSING.
UH, THIS ALL IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL RECORDS, UH, MANUAL OR THESE ELECTRONIC OR PAPER.
IT COVERS EVERY, IT COVERS, UM, EVERY TYPE OF RECORD, UH, TO ITS DENSE MANUAL FROM THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, ELECTRONIC PER PAPER, EVERYTHING, AND THEN BROKEN DOWN FURTHER BY, YOU KNOW, WHAT CATEGORY
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IT'S IN.UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE PERIODIC REQUESTS TO GET RID OF THE ONES THAT WERE NOW ALLOWED TO UNDER THE EXISTING SCHEDULE.
SO YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE SCHEDULE.
YOU'RE JUST GIVING PERMISSION FOR A CERTAIN THEY'RE THE MOST RECENT CROP THAT ARE DUE TO GET DESTROYED TO GET DESTROYED.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTION RESOLUTION 2022 DASH ZERO SEVEN, AUTHORIZING DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN PUBLIC RECORDS PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL RECORDS.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH ZERO SEVEN, AUTHORIZING THE DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN PUBLIC RECORDS PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL RECORDS MANUAL.
ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, RIGHT CRICKETS.
SIDDUR ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH EIGHT, SETTING THE SEWER BENEFIT ASSESSMENT FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT.
UH, NO, IT'S STILL ONE AT A TIME, RIGHT? ONE AT A TIME RESOLUTION 22 DASH EIGHT, UM, ESTABLISHES THE BENEFIT ASSESSMENT AT $10,000 FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE SOAR PROJECT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S CAPITAL BUDGET.
UM, THERE IS A, THE PROJECT WILL MAKE SANITARY SEWER AVAILABLE TO 10 HOMES IN THIS SECTION OF GREENWOOD AVENUE, JUST NORTH OF MAIN STREET.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN HOUNDING, UM, THE TANTRUM ENGINEER AND, UH, MR. BROAD BELT PURSUERS, THEY HAVE INDICATED THEIR ONLINE SYSTEM IS NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE.
SO IT'S IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND IT SETS THE BENEFIT ASSESSMENT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE LAST SEWER PROJECT WAS.
THAT WAS TINDY RUN THAT THE BOARD, UM, PUT OUT TO BID AND AWARDED A BID FOR LAST YEAR.
AND THAT'S A 10,000 PER HOME THAT HOOKS UP PER HOME.
AND, UH, THAT IS THAT ALL OF THAT 10,000 GO DIRECTLY TO THE TOWNSHIP OR DO WE HAVE TO PAY THE AUTHORITY, UH, OR NO, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S CONNECTING, UH, PURCHASES, UM, AN EDU FOR TREATMENT CAPACITY SEPARATELY FROM THE AUTHORITY.
SO IT'S $10,000 IS THE CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE, THE SEWER MAIN INSTALLATION PROJECT.
UM, AN ADDITIONAL, UM, CONTRA CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION.
THE SEWER REMAINS OF THE TOWNSHIP OWNS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TREATMENT FACILITY AND, AND AN EDU PURCHASE FOR CAPACITY AT THE PLANT.
YOU KNOW, EVEN IF EVERY PROPERTY THAT WOULD, THAT COULD HOOK UP DID IT WOULD IN A WAY PAY, BUT THAT'S UP TO, THAT'S UP TO US TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND IT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP'S INTEREST TO, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENTLY DONE THAT WAY SINCE THE SIXTIES, AS I UNDERSTAND.
HOW MANY HOMES, 10, 10, WHO MAKES SEWER AVAILABLE TO 10 HOMES AND THAT'S FROM COLLEGE AVENUE TO RIDGE PIKE.
AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THE HOMES INTERESTED IN HOOKING UP NOW, OR I KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE IS, I THINK TOM WENT OUT AND KNOCKED ON DOORS.
UM, BUT I HESITATE TO, UM, INDICATE TO THE BOARD THAT MORE THAN ONE GENERALLY, UH, IF THERE'S ONE THERE'S MORE THAN, MORE THAN THAT, AS THERE WAS IN THE CASE OF, UH, SPRING MILL ESTATES, A SEWER PROJECT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE KNOW IT'S SEPTIC SYSTEMS. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF RIGHT.
UM, DO WE KNOW YET WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE TO, TO CONNECT FROM THE OTHER SECTION OVER TO RIDGE PARK? THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE UTILITY CONFLICTS AND THE AMOUNT OF RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE STATE ROAD THERE.
NO MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.
UM, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UM, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 2022 DASH ZERO EIGHT, SETTING THE SEWER BENEFIT ASSESSMENT FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 DASH EIGHT SAYING THE SEWER BENEFIT ASSESSMENT FOR THE GREENWOOD AVENUE, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT.
AND WE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME THING, DIFFERENT PROJECT, UH, IN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO THROUGH IT ALL AGAIN.
HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN THIS ONE? THIS ONE, THEN THERE'S AGAIN, AT LEAST ONE THAT NEEDS SEWER IMMEDIATELY.
AND THE PRICE IS THE SAME, SAME BENEFIT ASSESSMENT AT $10,000.
YEAH, WE DON'T DO A FOOTAGE THING ANYMORE.
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ALL RIGHT.I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND MAKE THE MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 2022 DASH ZERO NINE.
SETTING THE SEWER BENEFIT ASSESSMENT FOR THE TOWNSHIP LINE SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION, 2022 DASH OH NINE.
SETTING THE SHORE BENEFIT ASSESSMENT FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP LINE, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT.
NOW, UH, CONSIDER APPROVING THE FINAL CLOSE OUT OF THE PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK.
I ASSUME THIS JUST, UH, SO THE DEVELOPER CAN GET THEIR ESCROW BACK AND I SEE THAT IT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
SO I ASSUME EVERYTHING'S COMPLETE THERE.
WHEN WE RELEASED FROM ESCROW, WHEN WE CLOSED IT OUT, WE NEED BOARD APPROVAL FOR IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CROSSING ALL THE T'S.
SO AS YOU'LL ALSO SEE LATER IN THE CONSULTANTS REPORTS, THERE'S SOME OTHER ESCROW RELEASES THAT WORK, OH, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT THESE ON THE MEETING SO THAT FOLKS KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.
IS THIS, IS THIS THE ONE ON HOLLOW ROAD? YES.
IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE OF HOLLOW ROAD.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS.
WE'RE STILL CHASING DOWN CLOSE OUTS FROM A VERY LONG TIME AGO.
THE NEXT ONE IS ONE THAT THAT'S RELATIVELY OLD.
WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THEM OUT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN FOR HOW LONG THESE ESCROWS.
I MEAN, THIS LAST ESCROW, I THINK WE HAD RELEASED TWO YEARS AGO.
AND THEN BEFORE THAT IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 12 YEARS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO CHASE SOME OF IT DOWN.
OUR HANDS ARE A LITTLE TIED, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CHASE IT DOWN AND THIS THING'S GOT TO BE 20 YEARS OLD.
UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION OR QUESTION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL CLOSE OUT OF GAMBLE AND PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK.
ONE IS RECOMMENDED BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE FINAL CLOSE OUT OF THE GAM BONE, PROVIDENCE BUSINESS PARK ONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND NOW RIDGEWOOD, UH, SAME THING FOR THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT RIDGEWOOD IS NOT COMPLETE.
UM, IT'S ON LINFIELD TRAPPE ROAD ON THE RIGHT AS YOU COME FROM TOWNSHIP LINE, UM, THERE'S FOUR PHASES PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL RIDGEWOOD.
IT WAS BUILT BY DESANTO PROPERTIES, A DECADE AND A HALF AGO.
CHAMBERLAIN IS DOING PHASE TWO, A, B, AND C.
UM, THOSE ARE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THOSE ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO BE CLOSED OUT.
AT THIS POINT, RALPH CHAIRMAN IS CLOSING OUT PHASE ONE.
UM, IT WAS REALLY SORT OF A TECHNICALITY AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO HOLD THEM TO THEIR FEET, TO THE FIRE FOR TREE DIES, OR IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED FOR PHASE ONE.
THEY'RE JUST SORT OF CLOSING OUT THAT PIECE OF THE PIE, THAT PART OF THE PAPERWORK.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING ON TO PHASE TWO, A, B, AND C.
SO WE'RE JUST APPROVING RELEASE OF ESCROW PHASE ONE.
YES, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ESCORT FOR EACH PHASE.
TH THIS PHASE IS THE ONE THAT'S UP, UP ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE COMING TO, YES.
NO MORE TO PROVE THE FINAL CLOSE OUT OF THE RIDGEWOOD PHASE ONE PROJECT AS RECOMMENDED BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER A SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE FINAL CLOSE OUT OF THE RIDGEWOOD PHASE ONE PROJECT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND JEFF, IF THERE'S ANY MORE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO CLOSE OUT OF THE WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WE HAVE TO FORCE THEM SOMEHOW.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO.
THE OTHER OPTION IS THAT WE S WE TAKE OVER THE PROJECT AND WE USE THEIR ESCROW MONEY TO FINISH THEIR, THEIR IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY MORE AND IT'S, IT BECOMES A TOWNSHIP CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT.
SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN WHEN WE CAN AGREED.
I, YOU KNOW, I WAS WELL AWARE OF THE PHASE ONE PROJECT FROM ITS CONCEPTION WAS LIKE A REAL CLUSTER.
UM, NEXT WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER APPROVING ADVERTISEMENT FOR A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING FOR IVY REHAB, 10, 19 EGYPT CORRODE.
UM, THEY PROPOSED A DATE OF MARCH 21ST, ACTUALLY GO AHEAD, JOE.
UM, I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT THAT BE MOVED TO A PROPOSED DATE OF APRIL 18TH, THE APRIL MEETING, UM, THE MARCH MEETING, I'LL BE JOINING YOU VIA ZOOM FROM THE SUNNY CARIBBEAN.
AND, UM, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HEARING
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ATTACHED TO THE, TO IT.IF, IF, IF MY TECHNOLOGY GOES WONKY AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECORD HEARING, IT WOULDN'T BE SMOOTH.
UM, AND I SPOKE TO ATTORNEY MOLEN TODAY AND HE WAS COMFORTABLE PUSHING IT TO APRIL EXPECTING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE WILLING TO VOTE THAT NIGHT.
UM, CAUSE THEY CLOSED THE FOLLOWING MONTH AND IT'S A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION.
SO I, I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T VOTE THAT NIGHT, UM, IN APRIL.
SO, UH, IF THAT COULD READ APRIL 18TH INSTEAD OF, UH, MARCH 12TH OR 21ST.
AND I ASSUME THE ONLY REASON THIS COMES UP IS IN OUR ORDINANCE REHAB FACILITIES IS IT IS, UH, THE IT'S ONLY A HEARING ON THE, UM, ON THE USE.
SO THAT USE IS IN THE CATEGORY OF, OF CONDITIONAL USE WHERE UNIQUE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL HAS VERY SCANT ADDITIONAL CRITERIA.
UM, AND SO IT SEEMS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S, IT'S A PHYSICAL REHAB FACILITY INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, A LACK OF WEDNESDAY REHAB, THEY THINK OF THE OTHER KIND.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PHYSICAL THERAPY FACILITY, RIGHT? YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THIS.
IT'S JUST KILLING IT IF YOU COULD.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE S YOU'RE VOTING ON APPROVING THE AD.
SO YOU'RE, IT'LL BE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE RUNNING THE AD.
IF IVY MOVES OUT, DOES IT GO BACK TO THE OLD ZONING OR CAN SOMEBODY, IS THAT'S WHERE BILL WAS KIND OF LEADING IT? WHAT CAN IT BE USED FOR? IT COULD STILL BE USED FOR THAT SAME YEAR.
SO IT COULD BE PHYSICAL THERAPY AGAIN, BUT AS LONG IF THERE'S ANOTHER USE THAT COMES IN UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT COULD JUST BE PLUG AND PLAY SO TO SPEAK.
UM, IT'S IT, DOESN'T IT DOESN'T SAY THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE USED THERE.
IT'S STILL WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT CONDITIONAL USE ONLY SAYS THAT CAN BE IN THIS SPOT.
IT JUST HAS SOME CONDITIONS ON IT.
AND IT'S A HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE ISSUE, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S THAT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE OR NOT ALLOWED, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE OR WE'RE JUST AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE HEARING.
TODAY YOU'RE JUST PUTTING THE HEARING, YOU'LL HAVE THE FULL HEARING, THEY'LL PUT ON THEIR CASE FOR YOU ON WHY THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE, IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN PLACE CONDITIONS ON THAT.
IF YOU SO CHOOSE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, RAISE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF CONDITIONAL USE HEARING FOR IVY LEAGUE REHAB LOCATED ON 10, 19 EGYPT ROAD FOR APRIL 18TH.
I HAVE AN EMOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT FOR CONDITION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING FOR IVY REHAB, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED AT 10 19 EACH APPROACH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
UM, NEXT WE HAVE A ROW RESOLUTION 2022 TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR GLOBAL PACKAGING, 500 PROSPERITY DRIVE.
UH, BOB TUCKER, KAPLAN STEWART.
I'M FILLING IN FOR MY COLLEAGUE AMY FARRELL IN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT OF THIS EVENING.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT'S FOR A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT CONCRETE PAD ADJACENT TO OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BUILDINGS.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK, UM, THE FULL BUILDING, THE 225,000 SQUARE FEET HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AS PART OF, UM, GAMBON'S, UH, GLOBAL PACKAGING DEVELOPMENT, GLOBAL PACKAGING APPROACHED US ABOUT THIS 5,000 SQUARE FOOT PAD ON THAT WAS ADDITIONAL.
THAT WAS NEW TO THE SITE, THEIR TOWNSHIP POLICIES, ANYTHING OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE GENERATES AT LEAST A MINUTE AMENDED FINAL PLAN.
UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TRAFFIC AND I DIDN'T REVIEW IT AS REALLY AN ENGINEERING ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY STORMWATER.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION AT THE TIME BY THE FIRE MARSHALL ABOUT WHAT'S BEING STORED BECAUSE ON THIS SITE, THERE ARE SOME SILOS.
SO THE FIRE MARSHALL AND GLOBAL PACKAGING ARE STILL GOING TO WORK OUT IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE TO THE FIRE SUPPRESSION NEEDED, BUT A FIRE MARSHALL DENVER LINK SAID THAT IT SHOULDN'T HOLD UP THE FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PERMISSION THAT SUMMARIZE IT WELL FOR YOU MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD HAVE DONE.
AND I, I SAW YOUR PRESENTATION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOO.
UM, I'M UNDERSTANDING IT'S IT'S PLASTIC PELLETS THAT YOU USED IN YOUR MANUFACTURING PROCESS HERE.
UM, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTION RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 10, PROVEN THE AMENDED FINER FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR GLOBAL PACKAGING INC.
LOCATED AT 500 PROSPERITY DRIVE.
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I SECOND THAT ALL RIGHT.I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 TO APPROVING THE AMENDED FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR GLOBAL PACKAGING, INC.
DRIVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND WE'VE HAD, UH, TWO FOLKS STEP FORWARD TO FILL A COUPLE OF, UH, BOARD VACANCIES.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THE FIRST ONE HERE IN ITEM 12 IS TO APPOINT KEN CAMPBELL TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD TO FILL A TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT KEN CAMPBELL TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD TO FILL A TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, APPOINT KATE CAMPBELL TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD TO FILL TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
I MINE ON I'LL TAKE THE BLAME.
I HAD LEFT MINE ON THERE'S ONLY ONE HERE'S WAS OFF JUST THEN.
UM, THE NEXT IS TO APPOINT LIZ CAMPBELL TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE MUNICIPAL.
THAT'S A TYPO IT'S, UH, UH, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULDN'T CATCH IT, UH, TO A POINT POINTLESS CAMPBELL TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION, UH, FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
I'LL RAISE A MOTION TO APPOINT LIZ CAMPBELL TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POINT LEWIS CAMPBELL UP TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION.
FURTHER YOUR TERM EXPIRING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
AND OUR LAST ITEM UNDER OLD BUSINESS, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE 5 93 TO ESTABLISH AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, TAMMY, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THAT COUNCIL AND LAURIE? YEAH.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LORI AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR WHAT A COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, LAURIE, AND I KNOW THAT IN HER CONVERSATIONS WITH GARY NIGHTS, UH, FROM LAW PROVIDENCE LAW, PROVIDENCE IS INTERESTED IN DOING SOME JOINT ISSUES WITH THE, UH, TOWNSHIP.
AND I THINK THAT KIND OF EXPEDITED THAT DISCUSSION LAURA PROVENANCE GAVE US A COPY OF THEIR ORDINANCE.
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER TOWNS, I HAD, UM, SUGGESTED THAT WE MAKE SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO HOW THIS COMMITTEE IS ORGANIZED, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH TURF BATTLES WITH VARIOUS BOARDS.
SO GIVEN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REDUNDANCIES, WHAT THE EAC DOES WITH WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY AND THE PARK BOARD DOES.
UM, I HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UM, HAVE A FIVE MEMBER BOARD WITH THREE MEMBERS, UH, W UH, HAVE HAVING A REPRESENTATION FROM ONE OF THOSE THREE ADVISORY BODIES BEING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE AUTHORITY AND THE PARK BOARD, AND THEN TWO MEMBERS AT LARGE.
AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME STATE STATUTES, RIGHT, JOE, THAT HAVE TO BE ADHERED TO, YEAH, I ACTUALLY REWROTE IT FROM THE TEMPLATE WE WORK FROM.
I HAVE A LOT OF, UM, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH EACS ELSEWHERE AND CREATED ORDINANCES BEFORE.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY NO KNOCK ON, ON THEIR EFFORT AND THEIR CAUSE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE, UM, UNDER THE STATE LAW, IT HAS, IT LISTS FIVE POWERS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND IF THE W IF YOU READ THEM IN BROADEST WAY, YOU CAN HAVE AN ADVISOR MENTOR ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL BUDDIES, ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT GOES OUT INTO THE WORLD AND IS, AND SPEAKS ON YOUR BEHALF WITHOUT CLARIFYING THAT THEY'RE NOT YOU, OR THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD NOT TAKE OR COMMIT YOU TO SPENDING MONEY THAT YOU HAD NOT VOTED ON.
SO I WOULD CALL THIS A TIGHTER VERSION, A MORE, A MORE RESTRICTIVE VERSION THAN LOWER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, BUT WHILE STILL REFERENCING THE SAME AUTHORIZING LAW AND HAVING THE SAME GENERAL POWERS, JUST WITH SOME LITTLE TWEAKS AROUND THE EDGES.
YEAH, MY, MY VISION FOR THIS IS THEY WILL BE AN ADVISOR AND THERE'LL BE AN ADVISOR TO THREE BOARDS, PRIMARILY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PARKS AND
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REC, AND, UH, THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY.AND AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, AND TALK TO THEM.
AND WE CURRENTLY UNDER MS FOR THE QUALITY OF WATER THAT WE PUT BACK INTO OUR, OUR WATERWAYS.
SO, YEAH, I, I, BUT I, THEY CAN'T HAVE THE LEGAL POWER TO, TO CHANGE PLANS AND, AND OFTEN SPEND MONEY.
THERE'LL BE THREE PEOPLE FROM OTHER VARIOUS COMMITTEES IN TWO STANDING AT LARGE NEW NEW MEMBERS.
SO B FIVE AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SEE THEM DOING MONTH ON WEEK, BUT THEY WOULD BE MAKE SURE VENDORS AND TOM, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, ARE SUSTAINABLE.
WOULD THERE BE SOME SORT OF CHECKLIST? LIKE WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT THEY WOULD REMAIN PURPOSE? IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 38 DASH FOUR, THE STATES, THEIR POWERS THAT YOU COULD ALSO READ THAT TO SAY IT'S ALSO THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.
IT'S IT'S, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY WORK ON.
UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH ON RAIN BARRELS AND, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT TYING IT IN WITH MS FOR ANYTHING THAT IS, UM, HELPFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S BROADER THAN THE ENVIRONMENTAL MEASURES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO A LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
SO PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT DISTINCTION WHILE THERE'S, YOU HAVE A LOT OF POWER WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING A LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REQUIRE CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS OR CAUTIONS, OR MAKE SURE THE STORMWATER'S DESIGNED OVER-DESIGNED.
BUT THEN WITH PEOPLE IN EXISTING HOMES, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FILL IN THOSE, THOSE GAPS.
I COULD SEE THEM HELPING THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY ON STORMWATER, UM, EDUCATION PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY AS WE DO THE STORMWATER CREDITS AND, UM, AND PENNSYLVANIA SUSTAINABILITY.
I THINK WE HAVE SILVER STATUS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT REALLY IS HOUSED BY NO ONE, SO RIGHT.
IT WOULD GET US POINTS IF YOU WILL, TOWARD THE NEXT LEVEL, UP ON THE SUSTAINABILITY THING, WHICH WOULD GET US UP TO GOLD.
AND I THINK YOU HAD SAID THAT THERE WOULD ALSO GET US POINTS FOR THE EMAS FOUR.
AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST THROW OUT THERE THAT THE COUNCIL COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO SEVEN.
YOU CAN, AND THOSE ARE FIVE, THREE TO SEVEN WHO ARE VOTING, BUT YOU CAN HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, OUR ADJUNCT TO THAT COMMITTEE.
SO I DID HEAR ABOUT ONE, UM, EAC THAT HAD SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS AND FIVE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
LIKE IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF VOLUNTEERS WHO REALLY WANT TO GET IN ON IT AND SHARE THE LOAD OF THE WORK, THEY CAN BE ADDED, BUT THERE, BUT AS TIM HAS PROPOSED IT, FIVE WOULD BE VOTING MEMBERS, ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAD TO BE JUST, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS.
AND, UM, THEY ESTIMATE THEY HAD THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS AND THEY HAD TWO HIGH SCHOOL PEOPLE THERE, WHICH WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GET THE YOUNG PEOPLE INVOLVED IN.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A COUPLE OF HIGH SCHOOL, UM, PEOPLE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.
AND WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY WE COULD OPEN IT UP TO OTHER HIGH SCHOOL, OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, BUT NO, I'LL TAKE THAT BACK.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE DISTRICT HERE.
AND JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WILL BE FULLY INTEGRATED WITH THE CURRENT BOARDS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
ONE MEMBER WILL BE FROM THE PARK AND REC SPORTS SERVING ON BOTH ONE WILL BE FROM THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY SERVING ON BOTH.
AND ONE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SERVING ON BOTH.
SO THAT'S THREE OF YOUR FIVE MEMBERS RIGHT THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY WON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE PLANES, BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY WEIGH IN AND ADVISE THIS BOARD AND ANY OTHER BOARD IN THE TOWNSHIP ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT OR WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS MEETING OUR OBLIGATION WITH STORM WATER.
I THINK OVERALL THE, THE PURPOSE, IF YOU WILL, OF THE EAC IS TO HAVE AN OVERVIEW, OVERARCHING VIEW OF THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
I MEAN, PARKS AND REC HAS THEIR PURPOSE AND POINT OF VIEW OF THE THINGS THEY WANT TO DO.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
AND, UM, THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY HAS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY INTERACT AND INTEGRATE WHAT THEY DO.
AND I THINK THE ESC B AC, UH, CAN BE MORE OF AN OVERARCHING THING TO LOOK AT WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING AND SEE HOW THEY FIT IN TOGETHER AS DIFFERENT PUZZLE PIECES.
I HAD LEARNED, UH, I MOVED TO CONSIDER AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT OF ORDINANCE 5, 9, 3 TO ESTABLISH AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL
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A SECOND.I HAVE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT OF ORDINANCE 5 93 TO ESTABLISH AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU RIGHT
[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]
UNDER NEW BUSINESS, CONSIDER EXECUTING A WAIVER OF POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST REGARDING A LITIGATION MATTER.I'M GOING TO LET OUR PLEASURE.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY WHO WAS INJURED AND IT'S MAKING A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES.
UM, IT MADE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT INJURIES THAT OCCURRED ON CERTAIN PROPERTY.
AND AT ONE POINT, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE, WASN'T CLEAR WHETHER IT HAPPENED ON UPPER PROVIDENCE PROPERTY ON LIMERICK TOWNSHIP PROPERTY, YOU'RE REPRESENTED THROUGH DIVOT.
YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY IS ASSIGNED THROUGH YOUR INSURANCE CARRIER DIVOT, AND THEY ALSO REPRESENT LIMERICK TOWNSHIP.
AS OF TODAY, IT DOESN'T EVEN APPEAR THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT ANYMORE.
BECAUSE AS OF TODAY, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY IS IN UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, BUT THEORETICALLY, AS THE LAWSUIT PROGRESSES, THEN SOME OTHER PERSON COULD FIND SOME OTHER DOCUMENT AND SAY, OH WAIT, WE WERE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME IT'S IN LIMERICK TOWNSHIP AND I'M MAKING THAT UP.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE CASE, BUT I'M ILLUSTRATING WHY HE WANTS TO HAVE A CONFLICT WAIVER FROM USE SO THAT HE CAN CONTINUE NOT HAVE TO BRING IN A NEW ATTORNEY TO START IN THE MIDDLE.
AND SO IT JUST MAKES GOOD SENSE.
HE DOES ASK THAT EACH OF YOU SIGN, NORMALLY WE JUST HAVE BILL SINUS, THE CHAIR, AND HE ASKS TO HAVE EACH OF YOU SIGN.
AND I CAN'T REALLY OBJECT TO THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF IT.
CHERYL SAID, DON'T LEAVE TONIGHT UNTIL EACH OF YOU SIGN.
IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF THE WAIVER LETTER PREPARED BY YOUR INSURANCE DEFENSE COUNSEL.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, WAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN A LITIGATION MATTER.
CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN ADDITIONAL APPLICATION UNDER FEMA'S HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM TO ACQUIRE FLOOD-PRONE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
THIS IS A SECOND OR A THIRD, I GUESS A THIRD TRAUNCH CAUSE AWARENESS TO TWO PROGRAMS ARE ENFORCED.
SO THIS WOULD BE A THIRD TIME THAT FEMA HAS COME BACK AND, AND OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOMEOWNERS WHO WERE SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES BUY.
IS THAT CORRECT? BRIAN? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, ONE RESIDENT CAME FORWARD AFTER THE FIRST TWO APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED AND SAID, YEAH, I KNOW I MISSED THE BOAT, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO GET IT ON THIS.
UM, ALL THE SAME CRITERIA APPLY NO MATCH FROM THE TOWNSHIPS.
UM, ALL OF OUR EXPENSES RELATED TO THE APPLICATION WOULD BE COVERED SUSAN AS THE TELES.
UM, WE'LL BE PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
UH, AND THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION IS SUNDAY, THE 27TH OF FEBRUARY, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS ONE ADDITIONAL RESIDENT IN SEEKING THE BOARD'S AUTHORIZATION TO HAVE SUSAN SUBMIT THAT GRANT APPLICATION WILL BE AFTER THE TOWNSHIP.
OUR, YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS OR IT IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AT ONE 10, A WALNUT STREET.
IF, UH, WILL WE ALSO NOTIFY THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T, UH, TAKE THE PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE THAT WE COULD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S DUE BY SUNDAY.
LISTEN, IF, IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES FORWARD TOMORROW MORNING WITH THEIR APPLICATION IN ORDER, I'LL BE GLAD TO GO TAKE SOME PICTURES AND TELL SUSAN TO PUT IT IN ORDER.
THAT'S NOT JUST A DEADLINE FOR US TO APPLY.
THAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR THEM FOR THIS THIRD ROUND? CORRECT.
WELL LET'S QUICKLY GET THIS DONE.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS ALREADY.
THEY'D ALL EACH HAVE LIKE 20 SOMETHING, CORRECT.
THIS THIRD BUCKET WILL ONLY HAVE THE ONE HOUSE.
SO I HAVE A QUICK, SO I SPOKE TO SOMEBODY YESTERDAY WHO SAID THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WERE NOT IN THE PROGRAM.
TELL THEM TO BE HERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING.
I WILL, I WILL CALL HIM WHEN I GET HOME.
IF THERE'S A HANDFUL OF YOU, IF THERE'S THREE OR FOUR MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET ON THE PROGRAM, WE'LL, WE'LL WALK THEM THROUGH IT AND GET IT DONE.
BUT I NEED TO TALK WITH THEM TOMORROW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, YEAH, JOHN, IF YOU'D LET ME KNOW WHO IT IS, I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM.
I'LL TALK TO YOU AFTER A MINUTE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE A SUBMISSION OF AN ADDITIONAL APPLICATION UNDER FEMA'S HAZARD MITIGATION PROGRAM.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE SUBMISSION OF AN ADDITIONAL APPLICATION UNDER FEMA'S HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM TO ACQUIRE FLOOD PLUM FROM RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
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AYE.[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]
NOW, DEPARTMENT AND, UH, MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS.I SENT OUT A TASK TRACKER SPREADSHEET THROUGH MICROSOFT.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY SAW THAT IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
I'M TRYING TO, UH, RESPOND TO SOME BOARD REQUESTS THAT IS WE GET ITEMS UP ON PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO IT DOESN'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
SO I KNOW TWO ITEMS THAT I KNOW OF INTEREST WERE THE FLOOD GAUGES.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TRASH AND 4 22, UM, REAL QUICKLY, UH, WE'RE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON THE FLOOD GAUGES.
I'M GLAD, UH, CHIEF RUSSELL IS HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD CHIEF, BUT, UM, HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH NATE AND, UM, TOM DEMMER LINKED.
WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS, UH, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A MAJOR EMERGENCY AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ACCESS OUR WEBSITE TO GET ON AND MONITOR THE FLOOD, THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS WHEN EVERYBODY GETS ON AT THE SAME TIME IN AN EMERGENCY, IT CAN OVERLOAD THE BANDWIDTH AND CRASHED THE WEBSITE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE BEST AND CHEAPEST WAY TO TRY TO GET THE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT SURGE OF TRAFFIC.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE FREQUENCY IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN ACCESS AFFECTS THE TYPE OF BANDWIDTH REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO IF WE, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE, IF WE'RE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING UP FOR UPDATES FOR EVERY, UH, EVERY SIX HOURS OR MAYBE EVERY SEVEN AREAS, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AS PROBLEMATIC.
UM, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT FOR EVERY 15 MINUTES OR 30 MINUTES, UM, IT CAN CAUSE SOME, UM, TECHNICAL GLITCHES.
SO I'M KIND OF SPEAKING FROM A GENERALIST PERSPECTIVE.
DID I HIT THE MARK ON THAT ADD TO IT OR SUBTRACT? YEAH, YOU'RE HONOR.
UM, PART OF THE, PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE, THE WAY THAT THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED IS THAT IT TAKES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, SERVICE SPACE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT SERVICE SPACE HERE.
UM, THAT SERVICE SPACE WOULD BE SOMEPLACE THAT WE'D HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITY AND PURCHASED FROM, UM, ONE OF THE LIKE GODADDY OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT.
SO WHEN THERE IS A FLOOD, IF WE WENT ON RIGHT NOW AND PEOPLE STARTED LOOKING, UM, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING INTO IT, BUT WITH THE FLOOD GAUGES AND IT STARTS TO FLOOD, EVERYBODY JUMPS ONTO IT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE HERE THAT JUMP ON IT.
IT'S GOING TO BE EVERYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN WHAT THE SQUIGGLE OR THE PERKIOMEN ARE DOING ANYWHERE CAN BE JUMPING ON THE SITES AND LOOKING AT.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE STEPS NECESSARY.
THAT WHEN WE SAY THAT THESE ARE NOW OPERATIONAL TO THE PUBLIC, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE TRULY OPERATIONAL TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY NEED IT.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO, WE WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND SAY, HERE, THE FLOOD GAUGES ARE OPERATIONAL AND ANYBODY CAN LOG ON AND SEE THEM AND THEN HAVE, UM, A RAINFALL AND PEOPLE.
THE FIRST THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS IT'LL CRASH AND ALL THE SEATS WILL BE FULL.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TO AVOID THAT.
UM, ON A SIDE NOTE, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS. WE KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE FLOOD GAUGES ARE, ARE ABLE TO GIVE US NOTIFICATION SO INTERNALLY WHERE WE'RE SETTING UP A SYSTEM, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE NOTIFICATIONS.
AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY WHO ALREADY HAS A NOTIFICATION SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WE INTERNALLY WILL GET THE INFORMATION WE CAN THEN THROUGH THE COUNTY, SEND OUT A NOTIFICATION ABOUT THE LEVEL OF THE, OF EITHER THE PERKIOMEN CREEK OR THE SCHOOL.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF APPROACHING IT FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A WORK IN PROGRESS.
THE, THE FIRST STEPS THAT WILL, WILL COME TO FRUITION VERY QUICKLY ARE THE ONES WITH THE COUNTY.
UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST WAITING ON THE TRAINING TO COME FROM THEM.
UM, AND THEN THE FLOOD GAUGES, LIKE TIM SAID, NATE AND, AND TOM ARE, UH, KIND OF SPEARHEADING THAT SIDE OF IT AND THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE WE PRESENT ANYTHING BACK YOU, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING CORRECTLY.
I HAVE A QUICK, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION I WANT, WHEN I, BECAUSE I SPENT 40 YEARS DOWN ON THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER THERE, AND I USED TO GO TO THIS SITE, IT WAS A NOAA SITE AND THEY, AND I USED TO GO UP AND LIKE YOU SAID, I WENT UP AND DOWN THE RIVER AND LOOK AT IT.
EVERYBODY'S GAUGES IS THE NOAH'S SITE.
SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT THIS ON W THAT THEY WOULD THEN MONITOR AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE ON THEIR SERVER OR WHATEVER.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT'S ONE OF THE, IT'S ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING OR LOOKING TOWARDS.
WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
UM, PART OF THE NOTIFICATION THAT, THAT WE WOULD GET INTERNALLY HERE COMES FROM
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THE NOAH'S SITES.SO WE WOULD COUPLE THAT WITH, UH, THE, THE, THIS, THE METER IN READING THE READING POTTSTOWN, AS THEY COME DOWN THE SCOOP OR THE ONE THAT'S IN SHRINKS ON THE ONE IT'S A GREATER FOR, FOR THE PERKIOMEN.
SO IT GIVES US ALL THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN WE COMBINE THAT WITH OUR GAUGES, AND IT JUST GIVES US THAT MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET BACK OUT.
THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WE GIVE, UM, CAN, ARE INCUMBENT UPON THE PEOPLE TO ASSIGN IT'S THROUGH READY, MAKO, UM, AND YOU SIGN UP FOR IT AND IT'S FREE.
UM, YOU COULD HAVE IT TODAY, IT'S IN SERVICE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WOULD SPECIFICALLY DO IT FOR THE FLOODING OR, OR ANYTHING ALONG THE PERKIOMEN OR THE SCHOOL, AND PEOPLE COULD SIGN UP FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE EITHER A TEXT MESSAGE OR AN EMAIL OR COMBINATION OF BOTH.
AND THAT WOULD COME FROM PRE DESIGNATED MESSAGES THAT WE WOULD SET UP THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP, UH, MAKE IT VERY QUICK AND EASY TO GET THE MESSAGES OUT.
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
WE DON'T OVERLOAD WITH INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN WE GIVE TOO MUCH INFORMATION TOO QUICKLY, PEOPLE TEND TO IGNORE IT.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MESSAGES ARE SPECIFIC.
AND TO THE POINT, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
IT'S TIME TO, TO PAY ATTENTION.
IT'S TIME TO REALLY THINK ABOUT LEAVING.
YOU MUST LEAVE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED THAN THAT, BUT, UM, WE ARE WORKING TO USE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SITES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, WHETHER OR NOT NOAH WILL ALLOW US TO PUT OUR SITES WITH THEIRS.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT APPROVAL PROCESS, OR EVEN THAT GETS SOMEONE TO TALK WITH.
MUMBO-JUMBO YOU WOULD GET A TEXT THAT SAYS THE WATER'S COMING UP.
I WOULD NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND IT'S THEIR SYSTEM THAT WOULD PUT OUT THE INITIAL, YOU, THEY WOULD PUT OUT THE INITIAL BURST.
SO THE COUNTY HAS THE READY MAKO SYSTEM THAT THEY CONTRACT FOR.
THE INDIVIDUAL MUNICIPALITIES HAVE CONTROL OVER THE MESSAGES THAT THEY PUT OUT.
UM, SO IT, IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH, UM, THE, THE PRISON DOES IT, THEY HAVE MESSAGES, UH, PHOENIX PUTS OUT MESSAGES.
IF YOU SIGN UP FOR IT, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES CAN HAVE MESSAGES, THEY PUT OUT FOR IT.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT CONTROL WHAT WE PUT OUT, WHICH IS THE TRAINING WE'RE WAITING FOR, UM, TO SIGN UP, TO GET THESE MESSAGES, OR DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY GO OUT TO EVERYONE IN AN AREA THAT MIGHT NO, YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR IT.
SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SOLICIT, NOT SOLICIT.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GO OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUSH AND SAY THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS THAT WE WANT TO USE.
AND WE'D REALLY LIKE YOU TO SIGN UP FOR THIS, WHETHER WE DO THAT THROUGH DOOR HANGERS OR CARDS, OR, UM, SOME SORT OF SOME SORT OF METHOD THAT WILL, THAT WILL GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OUR FIRST NOTIFICATION TO YOU.
IT'S ACTUALLY A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM THAN JUST THE FLOOD GAUGES.
WE'RE GOING TO USE THE FLOOD GAUGES BECAUSE WE COULD USE THEM TODAY.
THEY'LL GIVE US OUR NOTIFICATION TO US TODAY WITHOUT CRASHING THE SERVER THAT'S WORKING.
UM, THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT BY US GETTING THAT NOTIFICATION, WE CAN THEN SEND THAT OUT RIGHT AWAY TO EVERYBODY WHO MAY NOT EVEN BE UP LOOKING AT THEIR GAUGES OR MAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE RIVER'S COMING UP, UM, NOT 2000, NOT LAST YEAR, BUT TH TH THE FLOODING BEFORE THAT, ON THE PERKIOMEN OCCURRED BECAUSE THEY HAD EIGHT OR NINE INCHES OF RAIN UP IN DOUGLAS TOWNSHIP.
AND, AND IT NEVER RAINED AT ALL DOWN HERE.
IT GOT TO, UM, JUST BELOW 19 FEET AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT BECAUSE IT NEVER RAINED HERE.
THERE WERE THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE RESIDENTS, BUT THIS IS HAPPENING.
AND THIS IS WHY THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR ANY OF THEM TO LOOK AT A FLOOD GAUGE BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN IT WASN'T RAINING.
UM, COUPLING IT WITH ALL THE OTHERS.
IT'S MULTI-DIRECTIONAL THAT WE WANT TO APPROACH IT.
WE WANT TO GIVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACCURATELY GOING OUT.
SOME OF THE FLOOD GAUGES WORK FROM A SENSOR THAT POINTS DOWN AT THE WATER.
SO IF A LARGE ICE BLOCK WOULD GET ON THE WATER, IT WOULD SHOW THAT IT'S ELEVATED.
AND IT WOULD SHOW THAT IT'S FLOODING.
IF SOMEBODY WITH A BIG BOAT PARKS UNDERNEATH OF THE FLOOD GAUGE, IT WILL SHOW THAT THE WATER IS ELEVATED AND THAT IT'S FLOODING.
AND IN FACT, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST READING THAT THE, WHERE THE HEIGHT IS, SO YOU CAN GET SOME FALSE READINGS FROM THAT.
UM, SO COUPLING IT WITH ALL THE OTHER SITES THAT YOU, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, GIVES US A MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION TO GET THAT WORD OUT TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WORKING WITH IT.
SO SAID IT'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
THE, THE READY MAKO SYSTEM SEEMS THE MOST IMMEDIATE THAT WE CAN GET THE BEST WORD OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESIDENTS.
UM, MOST OF THE FACULTY THAT THERE ISN'T ANY COMMENTS ON THEM TO SIGN UP FOR IT.
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SCHEDULE, UH, BEFORE CHERYL AND I FORMALLY ADVERTISE, WE HAVE ADVERTISED NEXT THURSDAY'S WORKSHOP.UM, WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE NO COPIES GOT BACK? YOU GUYS CAN JUST PICK UP ON MY, I THINK YOU MAY BE OUT LIKE TO TRY TO SEE IF WE JUST SCHEDULE, I'LL BE OUT THE WEEK OF MARCH PRIOR.
THIS IS OFF TO LOOK FURTHER OUT.
AND THE NEXT ITEM ON THE MINUTES OF BED, UH, TOM BROAD JUST GAVE ME A, UH, UPDATED REPORT.
UH, WE'VE RECEIVED EIGHT BEDS TOTALLING ABOUT $144,636 ON OUR VARIOUS EQUIPMENT.
UM, MORE THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED.
UM, AND SO FAR VENDORS HAVE SIGNED UP AND PICKED UP ABOUT $68,774.
THIS HAS BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL SALE.
OH, TIM, DID WE HAVE A DATE FOR WHEN THE BARN TAYLOR FARM IS GOING TO BE DISMANTLED AND YOU NOTIFY ME? CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GO.
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REPORTS, ENGINEERING, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, PROJECT UPDATES.IF TAYLOR FARM WAS THIRD ON MY LIST, BUT I'LL START WITH THAT.
OR YOU, UM, THE DEMO SO FAR IS COMPLETE AND THERE'S A PICO POLL.
THAT'S STILL OUT THERE WITH THE TRANSFORMER.
SO PICO WE'LL NEED TO REMOVE THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BUT OTHERWISE EVERYTHING'S BEEN SEATED AND STABILIZED OUT THERE.
IT IS BLANK SLATE FOR YOU FOR PARKS, A TINNY RUN THAT SEWER IS IN PROGRESS.
UM, THERE'S COORDINATION WITH RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW ON LATERAL POSITIONS AND THE 2022 ROAD PAVING.
THOSE PROJECTS, BID OPENING AS ANTICIPATED MARCH 16TH, UM, WITH HOPEFULLY AN AWARD AT YOUR MARCH 21ST SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UM, MONTHLY ESCROW REVIEWS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE CA I THINK CASEY HAS, OH, I'M SORRY.
THE OTHER ENGINEER, BY THE WAY, ALL THOSE ENGINEERS OUT THERE IS NATIONAL ENGINEERS WEEK.
UM, SO A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, TIM AND I GOT INTO A CONVERSATION, HE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE ENGINEERS ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH M D C E D FOR A LOCAL SHARE ACCOUNT STATEWIDE GRANT.
UM, THE FUNDING FOR THIS GRANT COMES FROM THE GAMING COMMISSION AND IS AVAILABLE TO MUNICIPALITIES COUNTIES, UM, REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES, ET CETERA, FOR VARIETY OF THINGS.
AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT HE ASKED US TO THINK OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT FEAT, UM, FIT THE ELIGIBLE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.
SO TONIGHT'S REALLY TO GAUGE YOUR INTEREST, UM, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THE APPLICATIONS FOR THESE THINGS ARE DUE MARCH 15TH AND THE PROGRAM WAS JUST OPENED UP AT THE END OF JANUARY.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST BOARD MEETING THAT WE HAD A CHANCE TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION.
UM, BACK WHEN, UM, MCMAHON DID, UH, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
ONE OF THE KEY PROJECTS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS ROUTE 29 CROSSING.
I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE WORKSHOP, IT'S IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE TOWNSHIP, AND IT IS A CONNECTION, UM, ACROSS 29, THAT'S BEEN LONG DESIRED BY THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, SO THE SLIDE THAT'S BEFORE YOU, JUST AS THE COMPONENTS OF THAT PROJECT, IT'S THE CROSSWALK, IT'S A PEDESTRIAN PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE CAUSE IT'S A LONG CROSSING ACROSS 29.
ESSENTIALLY WE CONNECT THE TRAIL PORTIONS UP OUR COLA ROAD, WHERE RESIDENT, UH, THE RESIDENCES ARE BEING BUILT FOR PROVIDENCE TOWN CENTER AND ACROSS 29 AND, AND DOWN OUR COOLER ROAD TO CONNECT TO THE PERKIOMEN TRAIL NETWORK.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A PIECE OF TRAIL, UM, THAT EXTENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE BUILT BY AUDUBON LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A PORTION, UM, BUILT BY THE PROPERTY.
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DOING THE DAYCARE, ET CETERA, TO THE, TO THE NORTH ON 29.AND SO WE'LL, IT'LL BE ABLE TO CONNECT ALL THESE POTENTIAL, UM, TRAILS ACROSS 29.
SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE COSTS OF THAT WOULD BE WE ESTIMATE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE OF DAYS HERE, SO WE HAVEN'T PUT TOGETHER, UM, ANY MORE, UH, OF A FINE PRINT TO THIS, BUT THE ESTIMATED SURVEY COSTS BACK WHEN WE DO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WERE ABOUT $28,000.
UH, THE ENGINEERING COSTS, UH, TO DO A FULL HOP PLAN PACKAGE WITH THE INTERSECTION, SOME SIGNAL DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE THE CROSSING, DO RAMPS, STORMWATER ANALYSIS, TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS ACTUALLY DESIGN THE TRAIL, UM, $65,000.
UH, SO THE ESTIMATED PLANNING LEVEL, AND WHEN I SAY PLANNING LEVEL, THAT'S THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, UM, OF WHAT IT MIGHT COST IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 425 TO $650,000 TO BUILD WHOLE SECTION.
SO WITH THE LOCAL SHARE GRANT SUMMARY, THIS IS A LIST OF THE SUMMARY OF ELIGIBLE USES OF THE FUNDS.
UM, THE FUNDS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A $25,000 PROJECT, AND IT CAN GO UP TO A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT.
SO ANYWHERE BETWEEN $25,000 AND A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, THESE WERE THE ELIGIBLE THINGS.
WE FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF PLANNING, CONSULTING, DESIGN COSTS FOR A PLANNING PROJECT.
UM, SO THE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
THE, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICATION IS DUE MARCH 15TH, BUT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN GET THE APPLICATION IN SCOTT FRANCE, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE.
HE WILL GIVE DIRECTION ON WHETHER HE THINKS IT'S A GOOD PROJECT OR NOT.
UM, AND IF HE SAYS, YEAH, YOU GOT THE GREEN LIGHT, YOU'VE GOT THE COUNTY SUPPORT.
WE FEEL THEY WILL BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THIS ACT OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
THEN IT'S REALLY GONNA RELY ON, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE FIVE OF YOU AND THE LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES AND, AND THE SENATOR TO GET THE FUNDING, UM, DIRECTED TOWARD THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, WE FEEL THAT WE CAN DO WHAT IT'S NEEDED TO DO ON OUR END TO GET THE APPLICATION DONE, UM, AND TO TALK TO MR. FRANCE, BUT WE WANTED TO FIND OUT IF THE, IF THE SUPERVISORS WERE EVEN WARM TO PURSUING THIS AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS, UM, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE OTHER ELIGIBLE USES OF FUNDS.
SO TIM, YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? I THINK IT GETS A LOT TO THE BOARD'S GOALS ON THE CAPITAL GOALS.
AND I KNOW TRAIL CONNECTIVITY, I THINK IS STILL, UH, UH, WAS A MAJOR GOAL AT LEAST WITH THE PRIOR BOARD.
SO I WANTED TO GET, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO, I READ THAT LAST BULLET POINT, NO LOCAL MATCH REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
IT'S A BIG ONE, BUT THERE, UM, THERE IS A RESOLUTION THAT THE BOARD HAS TO DO TIM, AND AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME, SO YOU HAVE A DCED GRANT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, THAT'S A MULTIMODAL.
THIS IS, THIS IS FOR MUNICIPALITIES SPECIFIC TO THESE ITEMS. SO IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE WOULD NEED YOUR BLESSING TO HAVE THAT RESOLUTION DONE BECAUSE BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT RESOLUTION FILLED OUT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT FOR YOU TO DO WELL.
I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD PROBABLY DO A RESOLUTION AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH TIM AND THE SOLICITOR CIRCULATE THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD TO JUST CONFIRM THAT THE RESOLUTION IS OKAY WITH YOU AND THEN HAVE THE CHAIRMAN AND TIM SIGN THAT HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, IS THE BULLET YOU SAID THAT APPLIES TO US.
WELL, WE FEEL AS THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HASN'T REALLY BEEN STARTED YET, I THINK IT'LL FALL WITHIN THAT CATEGORY.
AND EITHER WAY THAT IT FALLS, IT WILL STILL FALL IN TERMS OF DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF THE ENGINEERING AS AS 10% OF THE PROJECT OR LESS WOULD WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR GRANT PAY FOR THE OTHER 400? YES.
SO, SO TO BUILD THE PROJECT, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PROJECT, YES, WE FEEL AS THOUGH THAT ONCE YOU'VE GOTTEN THE GRANT FOR THIS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT.
AND THERE'S A LOT MORE POTS TO GET THAT AS, UH, JEN KNOWS.
AND JEFF KNOWS WE'VE BEEN GOING AFTER GRANT MONEY FOR TRAILS TIME WITH SUCCESS.
ONCE THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED, ONCE YOU TAKE THAT FIRST STEP TO YOU TO GET THERE, THAT'S CORRECT.
A LOT OF TIMES THE OTHER GRANTS REQUIRE A DESIGNED PLAN.
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THEY WANT A PROJECT THAT'S READY TO GO.THERE ARE TIMEFRAME ON THIS IN TERMS OF LIKE WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR EVERYTHING, IS IT, THIS IS NOT, UH, MARCH 15TH, MARCH 15TH.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS GRANT THIS ROUND, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS, THEN YEAH, WE CAN FIT IT UNDER ANOTHER POTENTIAL GRANT PROJECT.
I JUST, I DON'T, WHEN I SEE FREE MONEY, I DON'T LIKE TO GIVE IT AWAY.
OH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO HAVE SOMEBODY DRAFT UP A REV RESOLUTION? YOU CAN JUST, IF CHERYL, IF YOU KNOW THE NEXT RESOLUTION NUMBER, WE COULD JUST MAKE IT AN VERBAL RESOLUTION TONIGHT 11.
SO IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION 20, 20 TO 11 MADE, YOU KNOW, MADE VERBALLY.
AND THEN I CAN WRITE IT TOMORROW TO CONFORM WITH THE MOTION.
SO, SO I SUMMARIZE AS THE NEW GUY HERE, WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT.
WE GOT TO APPLY FOR ANOTHER GRANT, BUT THERE'S A RISK.
WE DON'T GET THE MONEY FOR THE OTHER GRANT, WHICH WOULD MEAN THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO USE TOWNSHIP MONEY TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S SOMETIME TOM, THAT YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GET THE MONEY.
IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR THE NEXT GRANT YOU APPLY FOR, BUT WE'VE DONE THIS.
JEFF, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE APPLIED WHEN YOU HAVE A SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS OR TYPICAL PROCEDURE WITH THIS IS THAT WE GET A GRANT TO DO THE PLAN.
AND THAT PLAN CAN SIT ON THE SHELF FOR YEARS UNTIL WE GET A GRANT TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE PLAN.
IT'S THIS IS FOR THE ENGINEERING COSTS.
TYPICALLY WITH TRAILS THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING OUT OF POCKET TO DO THE ENGINEERING SO THAT WE HAVE A SHOVEL READY PLAN, MOST GRANTS LIKE SHOVEL-READY PLAN SO THAT THEY CAN SAY, YES, YOU'RE GOING TO FINISH THIS TOO MANY GRANTS COME IN.
THEY GET, OH YEAH, WE'VE GOT THESE GREAT IDEAS.
AND THEN BY THE TIME THE IDEA GETS TO A SHOVEL-READY PLAN.
IT'S NOTHING LIKE WHAT THEY TRIED TO FUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND SOMETIMES WE PAID OUT OF POCKET TO DO THAT.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE'RE APPLYING TO DO THE ENGINEERING AND THE BEHIND THE SCENES WORK ON SOMEONE ELSE'S DIME.
AND IF WE NEVER GET THE GRANT, THE PLAN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE PLAN HAS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO THOSE PLANS, THE PROJECT, IF WE DON'T WANT TO PAY THE 400,000, WE STILL HAVE THE ENGINEERING OR, YEAH, I GUESS IN MY HEAD, IN MY HEAD, WE'RE TAKING GRANT MONEY THAT WE DON'T KNOW, WE WILL FINISH AND USE THAT AB IT'D BE APPROPRIATED BETTER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WELL, HERE'S ANOTHER THOUGHT IF THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE AND YOU HAVE YOUR PERMITS FOR IT, LIKE FOR THE, THE HOP, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ALL THE PENN DOT APPROVALS THAT IF THAT SITS ON THE SHELF WAITING EITHER FOR A GRANT, IT COULD ALSO WAIT FOR A DEVELOPER THAT HAPPENS TO BE BUILDING THE PROJECT ON THE CORNER OF, OF THAT INTERSECTION THAT YOU COULD SAY, WE HAVE ALL THE PERMITS FOR THIS.
WE JUST NEED YOU TO, TO BUILD THE CROSSING.
AND THEN IF WE, AND IF WE APPLY FOR THIS GRANT, WE HAVE TO USE IT FOR PROJECT AND WHATEVER PROJECT YOU IDENTIFYING THE GRANT, YOU HAVE TO USE IT FOR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I JUST DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S MO THERE'S PLANS FOR TRAIL CONNECTORS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CROSS ON 29 FALLS INTO THAT PRIORITY OF PLANS.
I CAN GIVE YOU A BIT OF HISTORY.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF OUR HIGHEST PRIORITIES BECAUSE IT'S THE LARGEST, ONE OF THE LARGEST INTERSECTIONS IN THE TOWNSHIP.
IT'S EXTREMELY HARD TO CROSS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE'VE TRIED TO GET AUTOBON LAND, TO DO IT, TO GIVE US SOME FUNDING.
THEY WEREN'T THAT PROJECT ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO DO WHAT WE TRIED TO GET BRANDON LENI TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS IT, WITH THE WIDTH OF 29.
THERE, IT'S JUST, IT'S A REALLY HARD CROSSING.
SO IF WE CAN GET SOME FREE ENGINEERING MONEY TO DO IT, TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT'S A STEP FORWARD.
SO MANY TIMES WE'VE TALKED TO PENN DOT ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE'LL DO THAT SOMETIME PENN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO FUND IT.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO PUT ANY MONEY TOWARDS IT.
BUT IF WE COME INTO PENN DOT AND WE SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE HAVE A PLAN THAT CAN WORK.
AND WE HAVE A PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL WE CAN, WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT SAFE TO CROSS PENN DOT WILL HELP US OUT AND ADVOCATE FOR US WITH SOME OF THE OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS. AND THEY'LL PUT IT IN THERE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY PUSH FORWARD AS MUCH AS, AS WE PUSH FOR IT.
YEAH, I GUESS I JUST, I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THERE AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY EVER WALKING.
SO MAYBE THIS IS THE REASON THEY DON'T WALK IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO CROSS.
SOMETIMES THE TRAILS IT'S CART COURTS.
YOU'RE NOT SURE WHICH IS WHICH YOU BUILD THE TRAIL.
WHEN PEOPLE WALK IN OR YOU SEE WHERE PEOPLE WALKING AND YOU PUT A TRAIL IN, BUT THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PROVIDENCE SOUND CENTER APARTMENTS, WITH , WITH THE, UM, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN THERE WHERE YOU'RE MAKING THAT AREA EXTREMELY, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT AREA EXTREMELY WALKABLE TO THE POINT TO WHERE YOU CAN WALK FROM ANDERSON PARK, THROUGH WHITE SPRINGS, FARM ALONG OUR COLA ROAD AND GET
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ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PERKIOMEN AND CONNECTING BACK, CONNECTING TO THIS PARK, TO BLACKROCK PARK, CONNECTING DOWN TO THE SCHOOL.SO IT REALLY DOES TAKE EVERYTHING FROM THE EXTERIOR PARTS OF THE TOWNSHIP AND CAN BRING THEM INTO THE, THE TOWN CENTER, THE RETAIL CORE OF THE TOWNSHIP AND TO THE, THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE CAMPUS HERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND OUR GOAL.
BUT WHY ON THAT SIDE? WHY WOULDN'T IT BE ON THE, UM, SHOPPING CENTER SIDE SO PEOPLE COULD ENTER THE SHOPPING CENTER? I MEAN, I GUESS YOU CAN CHANGE THE PLAN AS I LOOK AT THAT, YOU CROSS OVER, YOU'RE WALKING UP, YOU'RE CROSSING OVER 29 TO AN AREA THAT'S NOT EVEN CONNECTED YET.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD THAT BRAND WILL NOT BE ON THE SIDE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER SO PEOPLE CAN WALK INTO THERE.
AND THEN ALMA WAS APPROVED BRANDON, AND WE TRIED TO GET BRANDON LENI TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN ALONG THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY WOULDN'T DO, THEY WOULDN'T DO IT.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT IDEA.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, PLANS IN PLACE TO BUILD THE TRAIL WITHOUT CROSSING 29 TO GO ALONG 29 ALONG THE FRINGE OF 29, WHERE PATIENT FIRST IS ALL THE WAY UP TO WEST DRIVE, WHICH IS THE ROAD AS YOU HEAD NORTH.
THE NEXT LIGHT IS YOU HAD NORTH PAST, UH, ARCOLA ROAD.
AND THEN COMING BACK DOWN THROUGH THE PFIZER PROPERTY TO CONNECT BACK TO THE TRAIL, THAT'S A SMALLER CROSSING.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST AN ALTERNATIVE, WE'VE SORT OF BEEN WORKING TO AT THE SAME TIME, BUT IF WE CAN MAKE A BIG JUNK AND GET A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE TO DO THE ENGINEERING FOR 29 AND OUR COLA, IT'S A BIG HELP.
THE OTHER THING TOO, IS IS THIS WHERE WE WANT TO SPEND OUR ENGINEERING EFFORT LIKE THIS MOMENT? IS THERE OTHER THINGS, OR IS OUR WEEKEND? I DON'T KNOW, ENGINEERING REASONS? WELL, I MEAN, WHEN TIM ASKED ME, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT KIND OF FITS THIS BUCKET? UH, WHEN I WENT BACK TO THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE WHOLE PROCESS, AS JEFF SAID, THIS WAS THE HIGHEST RANK PROCESS BY THE COMMUNITY.
AND BY THAT EFFORT, SO IT KIND OF FIT WITHIN THE NUT HERE TO DO THIS.
AND LIKE JEFF SAID, IT'S BEEN VERY HARD TO FIND, UH, THE FUNDS THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I DON'T LIKE TO GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE NINE, BUT THE TRUTH AND TRUTH YOU CAN SEE ON THAT ELIGIBLE PROJECTS LIST.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNSHIP COULD SPEND ITS MONEY ON SET, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND JUST SPEAKING, JUST SPEAKING OF GRANTS, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PASSED THAT $1.2 TRILLION.
THAT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JUST COME OUT WITH A GRANT PACKAGE, THIS THICK WITH HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT GRANTS.
I'VE GIVEN THAT TO THE CONSULTANTS TO TAKE A, TAKE A LOOK AT AND DRILL DOWN.
THAT'S MAYBE WHERE WE GET THE MONEY TO DO THE CROSSING, UM, RIGHT.
LOOK AT ME, JOE, WHEN I SAY THAT, UM, I I'LL, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ADOPT A RESOLUTION 20, 22 DASH 11 IN SUPPORT OF, AND, UH, PURSUING AN ENGINEERING GRANT OR WHAT'S THE PROGRAM.
THIS ONE IS SHARE THE LOCAL SHARE COUNT STATEWIDE GRANT PROGRAM.
AND, UH, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, PURSUE A GRANT, UH, FOR THE 20TH, FOR THE 29 CROSSING AT ARCOLA ROAD.
AS I SAID EARLIER, JUMPING TO THE NEXT ONE, THE MONTHLY ESCROW REVIEW LIST, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE DO HAVE A LIST OF S-CURVES THAT WE DO NEED BOARD APPROVAL TO VOTE ON.
I PUT THE MEMO IN YOUR PACKET, SHOWING THE AMOUNTS AND THE ENGINEER APPROVAL LETTERS.
THEY ALL BEEN APPROVED AS THEY COME UP ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
SOME MONTHS WE'LL HAVE FOR SOME MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE NONE, BUT THIS'LL BE JUST A REGULAR OCCURRING ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
BUT I THINK IT DOESN'T JOE, IT DOESN'T NEED FORMAL VOTE, RIGHT? IT DOES.
IT'S IN THE MUNICIPALITIES PLANNING CODE.
WE, THE TOWNSHIP HAD BEEN DOING IT AT A STAFF LEVEL FOR YEARS, UM, AND IT AND THAT WORKED OKAY.
THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU GET, IF YOU GET ONE APPLICANT, ONE DEVELOPER WHO OPPOSES, UH, YOU'RE DISAGREEING ON AN ESCROW RELEASE, THAT THERE'S ONLY 45 DAYS, AND THEN IT'S DEEMED THAT YOU APPROVED IT.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DID IT AT A STAFF LEVEL, THE GUY WAS FIGHTING WITH US AND WE DIDN'T GET IT TO YOU FOR A VOTE.
YOU WOULD, UH, BY INACTION APPROVE HIS WHOLE RELEASE.
SO IT'S A BETTER PRACTICE TO HAVE IT COME IN FRONT OF YOU RATHER THAN HAVE IT DONE BY STAFF.
SO THAT FROM NOW ON, YOU'LL BE SEEING ALL THE ESKER AND RELEASES FOR APPROVAL,
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NOT JUST PROJECT CLOSE OUTS, BUT THE NORMAL, MONTHLY ROLLING ONES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW.UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY THESE ARE LISTS IN A LIST AND NOT LIKE THE OTHER TWO SEPARATE ITEMS WE'VE CLOSED OUT SOME SEPARATE ITEMS, AND THEN THIS WILL JUST BE ONE LIST TO APPROVE ALL FOUR, HAVE AS MANY AS I PUT ON THE LIST FOR A MONTH.
CLOSE OUTS ARE FAIRLY RARE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE ONE WAS TWENTY-FIVE YEARS OLD.
THAT THE MONTHLY ESKER ASKER RELEASES ARE PROBABLY QUARTERLY.
I THINK THAT TENDS TO BE A PEAK.
AND THEN WHAT ARE THESE JUST ONES TO JUST SAYING THAT THEY'VE FINISHED VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THEIR PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S SIDEWALKS OR THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, GILMORE'S GOING OUT AND CHECK THAT AND VERIFY THAT THEY'RE INSTALLED, THAT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA THAT THEY'RE INSTALLED CORRECTLY.
AND THEY SEND ME A LETTER SAYING, PLEASE RELEASE THIS, THIS, THIS AMOUNT CAN BE RELEASED.
I SEND OUT A LETTER UNDER TIM'S NAME TO A BANK, AND THAT BANK REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF THEIR LETTER OF CREDIT MOST OF THE TIME.
I'M JUST, I'M THINKING THAT THIS LIST SHOULD PROBABLY APPEAR PUBLICLY THOUGH, SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE RELEASING FOR WHAT CASE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON ANY.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE ONLY WAY THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IT, ISN'T THE BOARD PACKET.
I CAN COORDINATE THAT WITH CHERYL AND SEE HOW THAT, THAT HAPPENS.
IT'S NOT, BUT I THINK YOU WANT IT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? YEAH.
I JUST WANT THE LIST TO APPEAR PUBLICLY IN THE AGENDA SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SAY IT.
BUT I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH THIS ONE.
I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY ESCROW REVIEW LIST IS ITEMIZED IN THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2022 MEMORANDUM FROM JEFF GREASE.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MONTHLY ESCROW REVIEW LIST IS ITEMIZED IN THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2022 MEMORANDUM FROM JEFF GRACE.
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OUR SOLICITORS REPORT.I HAVE ONE ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, TIM'S CONTRACT.
THE, UM, THE SECOND-CLASS TOWNSHIP CODE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YOUR MANAGER, PROVIDED THAT THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT IT ISN'T REALLY QUITE A CONTRACT LIKE YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE FOR EMPLOYMENT.
UM, IT STILL GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE MANAGER AT ANY TIME, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, HE'S WORKS AT YOUR PLEASURE, THE SAME WAY THAT I DO OR OTHER CONSULTANTS DO.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WHAT THE LAW DOES AUTHORIZE IS THAT THE MAIN FOCUS OF IT IS THAT THERE CAN BE A SEVERANCE PROVISION IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE TO BE LET GO DURING THE CONTRACT TERM, HIS CONTRACT CAN ONLY LAST FOR AS LONG AS YOUR SESSION OF THIS GROUP, OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, AND SO WE GOT IT READY TO GO AHEAD OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING AND THEN JUST, WE'RE CLEANING UP A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS.
HIS CONTRACT REALLY IS JUST LIKE HIS LAST CONTRACT WITH, UM, JUST WITH, WITH A RATE INCREASE, ADDED A PERCENTAGE OF SAME AS TO EVERY ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES.
UM, THERE ARE NO NEW ADDITIONAL REQUESTS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE, WE CLEANED UP SOME LANGUAGE AND TIGHTENED UP SOME STUFF THAT WOULD BE PAYABLE ON EXIT WAY DOWN THE ROAD IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT CLEANED UP, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CONTRACT THAT HE'S HAD, UH, FOR AT LEAST TWO PRIOR TO YOUR CYCLE'S.
I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED IT TOO IN THE JANUARY EMAIL FROM YOU.
I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE TOWNSHIP MANAGERS 2022 TO 2024 CONTRACTS.
I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE TOWNSHIP MANAGERS, 20 22, 20 24 CONTRACT.
[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]
UH, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING A MONETARY DONATION TO THE TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY.I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISCUSS THIS.
IF STEVEN, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A REQUEST FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
UH, LAURIE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
UH, WELL, UM, WE HAVE IN THE PAST DONATED $10,000 TO THE SCHOOL CANAL ASSOCIATION ON A YEARLY BASIS, WE HAVE DONATED APPROXIMATELY 20 TO $25,000 TO THE ROSEWOOD LIBRARY CORRECTION, OR IT'S LISTED LITTLE OVER 25.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A DOLLAR PER PERSON, UH, POPULATION THAT TOWNSHIP.
AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY REALLY SUPPORT WHAT EVERYBODY CALLS THE TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY, BUT TO CLARIFY THEIR FULL NAME IS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY
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OF TRAP COLLEGEVILLE AND LOWER PERKIOMEN VALLEY.SO IT'S NOT JUST A HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR TRAP.
IT'S JUST SUCH A BIG MOUTHFUL.
EVERYBODY SHORTENS IT TO TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
THEY ACTUALLY COVER UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
THEY WOULD HAVE COVERED LOWER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP TOO, BUT LOWER PROVIDENCE HAS ITS OWN HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
UM, THEY DO HAVE ITEMS IN THEIR MUSEUM THAT ARE DIRECTLY THAT DIRECTLY PERTAIN TO UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.
I SEE NO REASON TO TRY TO RECREATE OR REINVENT THE WHEEL FOR HAVING A SEPARATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, PERHAPS HISTORICAL SOCIETY ALREADY HAS.
THE PEOPLE ALREADY HAS THE ORGANIZATION.
THEY ALREADY HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS, THEY HAVE THE STRUCTURE, ALL OF IT.
THEY COULD DEFINITELY USE A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE GIVE TO SCHOOL ANALYSIS CREATION.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF WE WENT AHEAD AND DID A MOTION AND APPROVE THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH AND THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S UP TO YOU.
SO LAURIE THERE THEY'RE LOCATED.
THEY'RE ENTRAPPED THE BUILDINGS PHYSICALLY AND TRAP.
DO THEY EVER COME INTO OUR TOWNSHIP OR DO IT LIKE I JUST WONDER, I THINK FORWARD, I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT IT, BUT I, I WONDER WHAT OUR RESIDENTS IN THE RESIDENCE SO WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL STRUCTURE FOR TRAP SNORKEL SOCIETY TO COME IN HERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE HISTORY IS THAT THIS TOWNSHIP WAS ALL FARMS. WHAT WAS HERE.
UM, I DID TRY TO SAVE TAYLOR AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY, BUT THAT PLAN DIDN'T WORK.
UM, THERE IS A JOYOUS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT LETTING TRAP HISTORICAL SOCIETY, LEASE THAT PROPERTY AND ADD THAT TO THEIR COLLECTION OF PROPERTIES.
BUT RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN AND ARE RENTED, RENOVATING ARE IN TRAPPED BOROUGH.
UM, AS TO WHAT I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PHYSICAL PROPERTIES INSIDE THE TOWNSHIP PER SE, JUST BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY, THEY DON'T KNOW ANY AT THIS POINT.
UM, THEY WORK ON THINGS PIECEMEAL, AS THEY'RE ABLE TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THEM.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY STILL IN THE PROCESS OF REHABBING REBUILDING, RESTORING OF THE SPEAKER'S HOUSE AND TRAP.
THEY HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING AND TRAP THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO RESTORE.
UM, AS I SAID, THEY HA THEY HAVE THINGS IN THEIR BUILDINGS IN THEIR MUSEUM, IF YOU WILL.
THAT CAME FROM THE TOWNSHIP AS TO DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THERE'S SORT OF THIS APING HOLE.
AND IF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO SEE ABOUT THIS HISTORIC, BOTH THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS TOWNSHIP, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OVER TO TRAP TO SEE IT, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THE TOWNSHIP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK IF THEY COULD DO SOMETHING WITH PARK AND REC AND MAYBE GO DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SOME, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
I'D LOVE TO SEE A GAIN FOR OUR TOWNSHIP COME TO OUR TOWNSHIP COMMUNITY CENTER COULD BE SHOW AND TELL IT COULD BE ABSOLUTELY.
AND THERE'S NO RELUCTANCE ON THEIR PART.
AND I THINK LISA MINORITY WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT VENUE IN THAT AUDIENCE AND THAT SPACE TO WORK WITH.
I THINK IF YOU COULD GET THEM TO COME OVER AND WE GIVE THEM NOT GIVE THEM, BUT ALLOW THEM TO USE THE, UM, UM, THE JOYS PROPERTY.
THEN, THEN I FEEL JUSTIFIED IN SPENDING THAT MONEY THAT I'M SPENDING THERE EVERY YEAR TO MAINTAIN THAT FACILITY, UM, RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU GUYS ALL KNOW HOW I FELT ABOUT SPENDING THE MONEY FOR THE NEW ROOF AND WHATEVER ELSE WE'VE DONE THAT A PROPERTY, IF, UH, IF YOU CAN TALK TO TRAP INTO COMING OVER HERE AND MAYBE UTILIZING THAT FOR THAT, I'M ALL FOR IT.
UM, WELL I THINK WE UNDER, WE ARE UNDER CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY USE THE JOINTS PROPERTY SINCE I DUNNO, I'M JUST SAYING SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO ANYWAY.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO DO FUNDRAISERS AT VARIOUS TIMES AND SOMETIMES THEY, I THINK THEY RENT THE BARN AT THE BARN OF BRIDGE TO DO A FUNDRAISER.
COULDN'T THE REC CENTER BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S ALL SORTS OF POSSIBILITIES AND I, AND I DON'T THINK THEY ARE, THEY WOULD BE RELUCTANT AT ALL.
ANYTHING WE OFFER I'M WITH YOU ON THIS, UH, MONETARY VALUE?
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I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHERE TO START WITH THAT.WELL, I THINK I AGREE WITH LORI, OUR EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE GIVE TO A, THE SCOPE OF CANAL ASSOCIATION.
THAT'S PROBABLY 10 THOUSANDS OF NOMINAL ENOUGH AMOUNT THAT IT'S GOOD TO BEGIN THAT RELATIONSHIP.
I HAVE SOME THINGS I'D LIKE THEM TO LOOK AT IN PORT PROVIDENCE IN MONTCLAIR.
AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE JOIST PROPERTY, BUT WHEN WE DO FINALLY ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY AS A HISTORICAL PARK, WE WILL WANT THEIR ASSISTANCE.
AND I KNOW THEY CONSULTED US ON THE TAYLOR FARM.
HE DID SOME INFORMATION LIKE THAT.
I I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO AHEAD.
UM, I KNOW THAT JEFF WAS ASKING PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THEIR HOUSES, UM, BOUGHT BY FEMA TO GIVE US WRITE A BUNCH OF WHATEVER HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ON THEIR HOUSES.
YES, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT DURING SOME OF OUR SESSIONS.
UM, WE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED UP WITH THAT YET BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF WAITING TO SEE WHERE THE BUYOUT PROGRAM ENDS UP.
BUT YES, WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SEEING IF THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT RIGHT.
SO, SO I COULD IMAGINE THAT THIS HISTORICAL SOCIETY COULD PULL THAT TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME KIND OF, UM, NOT JUST ONLINE, BUT ALSO SOME KIND OF A DISPLAY OF, OF WHAT USED TO BE IN MONTCLAIR ONCE IT'S THIRD OUT AND FINISHED THEM.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF POSSIBILITIES.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT IF WE DECIDE WHENEVER TO GIVE THEM X AMOUNT OF MONEY, I THINK LISA WILL PROBABLY FALL OVER IN A DEAD SCENE, WHATEVER, GIVE THEM, YES.
WE'RE NOT DECIDING ON MONEY TONIGHT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE COULD, UH, WE DECIDE.
I MEAN, I THINK I'D LIKE TO TALK TO HIM TO SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE.
I AGREE WITH YOU BROUGHT UP THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE.
I THINK THE MONTCLAIR PIECE, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, 10,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND 5,000, IT'S ALL ARBITRARY IN MY MIND UNTIL WE KIND OF TALKED TO HIM WAS HE'S 10,000 ENOUGH TO FUND THEM FOR 10 YEARS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE AGREED ON 10,000, THEY WOULD LITERALLY, I COULD KNOCK THEM OVER WITH A FEATHER.
CAN WE JUST, CAN WE JUST WAIT TILL MARCH AND TALK TO THEM AND FIND OUT WHAT I AGREE? THEY'LL GIVE US THE TIME, THE CHANCE TO KICK IT AROUND AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE OR MAN, I CAN, UM, I CAN REACH OUT TO LISA AND FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE A GOAL NUMBER THAT WE CAN THEN DISCUSS NEXT TIME.
UM, I JUST HADN'T REACHED OUT TO HER AHEAD OF TIME.
CAUSE SOMETIMES SHE DOESN'T RESPOND.
SHE HAS A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON, BUT, UM, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT FIRST BEFORE I RAISED HER HOPES.
DID YOU WANT HER TO COME TO A MEETING? SURE.
WHY NOT? IF WE'RE GOING TO DONATE MONEY, WE GOT THE HOTSPOT RICHARD'S NOT HERE.
AND HE WOULD SAY THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE FORM OF A RE APPROPRIATING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO OUR BUDGETS BENEATH.
WE WOULD NEED TIME TO PUT NO REACHED OUT AND ASKED ABOUT THE ROOF ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO REPAIR THAT AS WELL AFTER WE JUST DID THE HOUSE.
HOW DID THAT EVER GET RESOLVED? YEAH, WE WERE HERE LATE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE NIGHT.
I DIDN'T DARE BRING UP ANOTHER TOPIC.
OH, DID YOU SAY THAT? I'M SORRY.
I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY, MY AREA IS NOT THAT GREAT.
AND MY LAST COMMENTS FOR SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS IS THE FOUR BOOKS I'M RECOMMENDING THIS MONTH OR THE WARMTH OF OTHER SUNS BY ISABEL GOLD WILKERSON, BUT TOPIA BY TOM BURGESS.
OH, PLEASE READ THAT ONE, PLEASE.
REAL FOOD, FAKE FOOD BY LARRY OLMSTED.
AND IF YOU READ THAT ONE, YOU'LL NEVER EAT AGAIN.
UM, AND THE ROAD TO UNFREEDOM BY TIMOTHY SNYDER, PLEASE.
THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER MUST READ RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY READ IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
I EARLIER IN THE MEETING, I MEANT TO SPEAK TO THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU BLUSH MIKE, BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT AS SOON AS WE KNEW THAT OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES CHIEF WAS DEPARTING, WE IMMEDIATELY APPOINTED MIKE RUSSELL AS OUR INTERIM CHIEF.
AND WE HAVE SINCE MET AND DECIDED THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE HIM THE CHIEF OF EMERGENCY SERVICES GOING FORWARD.
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BIG CEREMONY IN MARCH WITH THE SWEARING IN AND ALL THAT.BUT CONGRATULATIONS, CHIEF WRESTLE.
[UPCOMING EVENTS]
HAVE UPCOMING EVENTS FOR A SUPERVISOR MEETINGS, UH, MARCH 21ST AND APRIL 18TH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CANCELED ON MARCH 2ND, MARCH 16TH WILL BE A MEETING.PARKS AND REC WILL MEET MARCH 9TH, MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, APRIL 7TH.
AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING WILL BE MARCH 8TH.
UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.