Jan 18, 2022 Board of Supervisors

I'D LIKE TO CALL, TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, TUESDAY, JANUARY, JANUARY 18TH, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE, AND PLEASE SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO ME, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE FOR TAKING CUP.

[CALL TO ORDER]

[MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD AGENDA]

I ASSUME EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE AGENDA.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE BOARD AGENDA OF SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BOARD AGENDA.

ANY OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES.

NOW IT'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMENT ]

COMMENT.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT TO THIS BOARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE LECTERN, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR STREET ADDRESS, AND PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

HI, I'M ERIN HOLDEN.

I LIVE AT 3, 3, 3 PORT PROVIDENCE ROAD.

I'M ONE OF THE MANY AFFECTED BY THE FLOODING CAUSED BY THE REMNANTS OF HURRICANE IDA.

IS THAT BETTER? OKAY.

HELLO.

UM, SO AS I WAS EVALUATING OUR EXPERIENCE AFTER THIS FLOOD, SOME THINGS CAME TO LIGHT.

MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 2004.

WE'VE WITNESSED SEVERAL SMALLER SCALE FLOODS.

AND IN THE EARLY YEARS THAT WE LIVED HERE, WE'D GET A PHONE CALL THAT THE RIVER WAS RISING.

TELL US WE SHOULD MOVE OUR CARS.

THAT SORT OF THING, PREPARE FOR FLOODING, BUT THEN WE SUDDENLY WE DON'T GET THOSE CALLS ANYMORE.

UM, ACCORDING TO THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE THAT I LITERALLY JUST CHECKED BEFORE I CAME HERE, THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT INSTALLED A RIVER LEVEL MONITORING STATION THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO TRANSMIT ALERT MESSAGES TO EMERGENCY OFFICIALS.

AND IT SETS THE ALARM AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT ALERT STAGES.

SO THIS WAS GREAT WHILE IT EXISTED BECAUSE REAL-TIME RIVER LEVEL WAS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE ONLINE.

BUT THE LAST UPDATE THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE FOUND WAS A TWITTER POST THAT JUST READ, QUOTE, FLOOD WARNING GAUGE ON THIS GOOGLE RIVER IS UNDERGOING SOME MODIFICATIONS AND SYSTEM EXPANSION.

LIVE TWEETS ARE SUSPENDED UNTIL THE PROJECT WORK IS COMPLETED, HOPEFULLY WITHIN FEW WEEKS, BUT IT'S BEEN NEARLY TWO YEARS.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS STILL UNDERGOING MODIFICATIONS OR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.

THEN I FOUND A REPORT ONLINE THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN NOVEMBER, 2010, ENTITLED EVALUATING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN THE TOWNSHIP OF UPPER PROVIDENCE.

I DON'T KNOW THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS.

I JUST FOUND THIS ONLINE, BUT ACCORDING TO AN INDEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY, THAT WAS CITED IN THAT PAPER, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND UPPER PROVIDENCE IT'S QUOTED IS ALMOST AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

AND THAT PLANNING AND TRAINING ACTIVITIES ARE ALMOST NON-EXISTENT.

SO WHEN I READ THIS, I JUST BECAME CURIOUS AS TO HOW THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND OUR TOWNSHIP OPERATES.

UM, ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THE PERSON WHO HELD THE SALARY POSITION, AND I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE AT ALL, LIKE I JUST, THIS WAS JUST ME LOOKING INTO THIS.

UM, HE WAS LET GO AFTER THE TIME OF THE IDA FLOODING AND HE WAS ONLY OFFICIALLY TERMINATED AT YOUR LAST BOARD MEETING IN DECEMBER.

SO MY PURPOSE IN BRINGING THIS UP IS TRULY NOT TO WHINE OR COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THESE PAST FOUR MONTHS, BUT TO JUST STATE PUBLICLY THAT RESIDENTS ACROSS THE TOWNSHIP NEED TO BE INFORMED AND POINT OUT THAT EMERGENCIES AREN'T JUST CONFINED TO THE RIVER.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE EASY TO LISTEN TO ME AND BE LIKE, WELL, SHE LIVES IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN.

WHAT DID SHE THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? AND I TOTALLY GET THAT.

THAT WAS A RISK THAT WE TOOK WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIXING OUR HOME AND DEALING WITH THE AFTERMATH.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT THE NEXT EMERGENCY GOD FORBID MAY NOT BE A FLOOD.

THE POPULATION HAS GROWN A TON IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

WE HAVE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, TRUCKING COMPANIES, OTHER INDUSTRIES, FREIGHT RAILWAY, WATER TREATMENT, PLANT PLACES LIKE THE EXPO CENTER PARK HOUSE, LIKE WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONGREGATING, NOT TO MENTION WE'RE IN THE 10 MILE RADIUS OF THE EVACUATION PLAN FOR LIMERICK.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG HERE.

AND WHILE THEY'RE HOPEFULLY ALL UNLIKELY, SOME OF THEM COULD BE CATASTROPHIC.

SO OUR TOWNSHIP HAS TO BE PREPARED.

AND THAT'S WHAT I JUST NEEDED TO SAY THAT THE NEED FOR A COHERENT PLAN CARRIED OUT BY CAPABLE TRAINED OFFICIALS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES FAR BEYOND THE RIVER.

AND AT THE TIME I PREPARED THIS, I DIDN'T KNOW.

YOU GUYS HIRED SOMEBODY FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR POSITION.

AND I WAS GOING TO IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE FILLING THAT OFF OF SERIOUSLY.

WE, AS YOUR RESIDENTS ARE SERIOUSLY, DEPENDING ON YOU TO DO RIGHT BY US, WE NEED YOU TO DO RIGHT BY US IN TIMES OF CRISIS.

AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS NEW PERSON YOU HIRED IS UP TO THE TASK.

THANKS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIGNAL AND RISING WILL CONTINUE? THANK YOU.

THERE WERE NO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.

HOW, SINCE OUR LAST REGULAR BOARD MEETING,

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WE HAVE TO BILL

[APPROVAL OF BILL LISTS]

LISTS.

I ASSUME THERE IT'S SPLIT BECAUSE WE CHANGED, UH, THE YEAR DATE.

I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST, UH, OF DECEMBER 10TH, 2021 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2021, ANY THE AMOUNT OF $967,527 AND 31 CENTS.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM THE PERIOD DECEMBER 10TH, 2021 THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2021 IN THE AMOUNT OF 967,527 AND 31 CENTS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED THAT CARRIES.

AND WE HAVE ONE, UH, MAKE THAT MOTION ALSO TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FROM JANUARY 1ST TO JANUARY 11TH, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF TO $290,740 AND 60 CENTS.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BILL LIST FOR THE PERIOD.

JANUARY 1ST, 2022 THROUGH JANUARY 11TH, 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF $290,740 AND 60 CENTS.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MEETING MINUTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR DECEMBER 13TH, REGULAR MEETING LAST YEAR.

AND

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

AND, UH, THE MINUTES FROM OUR REORGANIZATION MEETING ON JANUARY 3RD, WE CAN TAKE THAT AS ONE MOTION.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE IT, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE BOTH.

AND THAT'S FROM THE ONE FROM JANUARY ONE AND THE ONE FROM, EXCUSE ME, BOTH MINUTES.

THE ONE FROM DECEMBER 13TH, 2021 REGULAR MEETING AND THE JANUARY 3RD, 2022 REORGANIZATION MEETING.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 13TH, 2021 REGULAR MEETING.

AND THEN JANUARY 3RD, 2022 REORGANIZATION MEETING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

UM, APPOINTMENTS, NON COMPENSATORY APPOINTMENTS.

AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED THIS EVENING.

UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO, UM,

[NON-COMPENSATORY APPOINTMENTS]

UH, SO WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, AJA CROPPA HAS STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID THAT HE WAS SERVED FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT A J KRUPPA TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.

I'LL SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO A POINT AJA CROP IT TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM EXPIRING DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.

NOW WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, UH, SULA PENSKE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVED TO A POINT SULA PENSKE TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY FOR A FIVE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO A POINT SUE LAPINSKI TO THE UPPER PROVIDENCE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY FOR A FIVE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.

ANY OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPOINTMENT YET FOR THE ONE VACANCY ON THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD.

IF ANY ONE, ANY RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THAT BOARD, PLEASE PUT FORWARD YOUR NAME TO THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER FOR CONSIDERATION.

UH, AND WE WILL TABLE THAT FOR NOW.

WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE UNIFORM CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD, UH, FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM, STEVE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT STEVE BUMPER TO THE UNIFORM CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD OF APPEALS FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING DECEMBER 31ST, 2020 FOR A SECOND.

THAT MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO A POINT STEVE BUMPER TO THE UNIFORM CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD OF APPEALS FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.

SOME OLD BUSINESS ITEMS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH SIX, AUTHORIZING

WE HAVE

[OLD BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]

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THE EXECUTION OF AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR THE PENN DOT N ONE V PROJECT THAT RIDGE PIKE AND TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD.

I ASSUME THAT'S JUST A RENEWAL.

THIS IS INDEED OLD BUSINESS, I THINK HAS BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD THREE OCCASIONS IN THE PAST EACH TIME PENN DOT HAS COME BACK WITH A CHANGE.

UH, CASEY CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO IT FURTHER, BUT IT INVOLVES PENN DOT'S ABILITY TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON THE SURFACE STREETS ON THE ALONG THE CARTER ADJACENT TO 4 22.

SO WHEN THE, WHEN THERE IS A CLOSURE ON 4 22, THAT TRAFFIC CAN FLOW MORE EFFICIENTLY.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK YOU SUMMARIZED IT PRETTY WELL.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE TROUBLES ON 4 22 RECENTLY, TOO.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2022 DASH ZERO SIX, DELEGATING SIGNATURE AUTHORITY TO THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RESPECT TO AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE RESOLUTION, 2022 DASH OH SIX, DELEGATING SIGNATURE AUTHORITY TO THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RESPECT TO AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FORM T E DASH ONE 60 AND ALL RELATED TRAFFIC SIGNAL DOCUMENTATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

AND THE NEXT PIECE OF OLD BUSINESS CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE SOLICITOR TO ATTEND THE APPEALS PROCEEDING FOR 1406 PROPERTIES, LLC, CONCERNING AN APPEAL OF THE ZONING HEARING BOARDS DECISION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1752 RIDGE PIKE.

THE, THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY SOUGHT A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO MAKE A USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY HAD.

FIRST, WE HAD FIRST TRIED TO WORK ON AN ORDINANCE THAT MIGHT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THOSE USES, BUT WE DIDN'T COME TO TERMS ON THAT.

SO THEY CAME TO THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, SEEKING A VARIANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, ROUGHLY ALONG THE LINES OF W OF WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE, UH, ORDINANCE CHANGE.

SO ITS PROPERTIES CURRENTLY, UH, HAS STUMPED, GRINDING AND MATERIALS STORAGE, AND THEY WANT TO BUILD, UM, A SERIES OF SMALL, UH, OFFICES FOR PEOPLE LIKE CONTRACTORS, ROUGHLY, UH, WHO WOULD HAVE, UH, THERE'D BE LIKE A BAY OUT THE BACK AND V MAYBE SOME VEHICLES STORAGE, UM, AND THE, UM, ZONING HEARING BOARD DENIED THAT.

SO THEY APPEALED IT TO THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS IN NARS TOWN.

AND EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING BEFORE THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, I CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, APPEAL, BUT I HAVE TO INTERVENE, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

SO I HAD TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA, UH, NOW, UH, TO HAVE YOU DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE, TO DO THAT.

UM, ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE, UM, IN THE ZONING HEARING BOARD, SOLICITOR, AND THEIR ABILITY TO HANDLE AND DEFEND THEIR DECISION ON THE APPEAL.

UM, IT COULD ALSO BE THE CASE THAT MY PARTICIPATION DOES HELP EITHER IN RESOLVING IT OR IN GETTING A RULING ON IT.

THAT'S A FAVORABLE, I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAPPEN OR THAT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, I DON'T USUALLY ADVOCATE FOR PARTICIPATION IN ZONING HEARING BOARD PROCEEDINGS.

UM, BUT THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOALS.

AND IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO SETTLE EVERYTHING IF I AM INVOLVED.

AND I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT OUR INTEREST IN BEING ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THAT ORDINANCE SO THAT, UH, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT, THAT, UH, JEFF FORESAW WITH US HAVING TO REFEREE EVERY TENANT THAT MOVES INTO THIS NEW FACILITY, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

SO I, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD SEND YOU THROUGH THE, UH, THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, HALF OF THE TOWNSHIP.

ANYBODY ELSE IN THERE? WE NEED A MOTION.

PLEASE BE A EMOTION TO HAVE ME INTERVENE IN THE PROCEEDINGS.

UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SEND JOE TO, UH, UH, REPRESENT THE TOWNSHIPS INTEREST.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I'VE EMOTION.

THE SECOND TO SEND A SOLICITOR JOE BREDESEN TO, UH, THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS REGARDING THE, UH, APPEAL OF, UH, OF 1406 PROPERTIES.

I'LL SEE CONCERNING ZONING, HEARING BOARDS, A DECISION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ANY OPPOSED ARIES, THANK YOU.

NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERA CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE 2022 ROAD PAVING PROJECT.

AND

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ON TO

[NEW BUSINESS (ACTION/DISCUSSION ITEMS)]

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE AN A AND A B PROJECT THIS YEAR.

WE'RE NOT DOING THE, UH, CASH FINANCED PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE 10 D ROAD PROJECTS DOING A LOT OF THE ROADS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR LIQUID FUELS PROJECT.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE THE ROADS ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE, UH, PERKIOMEN, UH, CENTER, PENNSYLVANIA BROWER AND MONTGOMERY AVENUES AND CARDINAL LANE.

UM, WE ALWAYS TRY TO CLUSTER OUR ROAD PROJECTS IN A GENERAL VICINITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL MILEAGE ON THAT IS.

1.6 MILES WHEN YOU ADD THE ATTENDEE ROAD AND THE, UH, AND THE LIQUID FUELS YOU COME OUT TO ABOUT 4.29 MILES.

ANY DISCUSSION I'LL MAKE A MOTION CONSIDERING AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR THE 2022 ROAD PAVING PROJECTS.

A SECOND.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, TO ADVERTISE BIDS FOR THE 2022 ROAD PAVING PROJECT AS DESCRIBED ON FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED CARRIES.

IS THERE A GOOD NUMBER OF MIKE'S WORK? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TURN MY MIC OFF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF FOUR FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH BLACKROCK VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY BURGERS FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT.

TRAPPE FIRE COMPANY, NUMBER ONE, AND COLLEGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY.

JUST A, YEAH.

IF YOU JUST WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK WAS ON, UM, EACH YEAR, THE TOWNSHIP ENTERS INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE FOUR VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES THAT SERVICE THE TOWNSHIP, ALL FOUR OF THESE HAVE A PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT THEY ARE PRESENTLY SERVING.

UM, IT'S AN ANNUAL, UM, AN INNER MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT THAT WE MAKE WITH THEM EACH YEAR.

THIS ONE DOES INCLUDE THE VOLUNTEER INCENTIVE PROGRAM COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH IT.

UM, AND IT ALLOWS BASICALLY THEM TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE TOWNSHIP THE WAY THEY DO.

AND THE TOWNSHIP, THE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE THE FIRE COMPANIES THAT ARE SERVING, UH, UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP.

THIS ONES WILL BE A TIME PERIOD UNTIL THE STATION ACROSS THE STREET OPENS 24 HOURS A DAY AT THAT TIME.

UM, WE'LL BE WE UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP WILL BE TAKING OVER ALL THE RESPONSE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES OF FIRE PROTECTION WITHIN EMERGENCY SERVICES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.

AND THEY WILL BE MUTUAL WAITING TO ASSIST US RIGHT NOW.

WE KIND OF ASSIST THEM AND, AND THE ROLE, THE ROLES WHERE YOU WERE WE'LL REVERSE, THERE'LL BE NO CHANGE WHATSOEVER IN SERVICE OR PROVIDERS OR RESPONSE.

EVERYBODY WILL STILL BE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO TODAY.

THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE THAT IT WILL BE UNDER OUR COMMAND INSTEAD OF THEIRS.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THIS PROGRAM YEAR AFTER YEAR, EVEN AFTER THE FIRE STATION, WE WON'T NEED TO HAVE THE, UH, THE AGREEMENTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A MUTUAL AGENTS LIKE LIMERICK, LOWER PROMINENCE, PERKIOMEN PHOENIXVILLE.

THEY ALL MUTUALLY TO US NOW ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE AGREEMENT SIGNED WITH THEM.

IT JUST BECOMES A, UH, A WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ALL OF US.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SIGNING THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR COMPANIES FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.

UH, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE.

ONE'S, ONE'S THE MONEY.

AND THE ONE IS THE MUTUAL AID THING.

TO THE TOWNSHIP IS WHAT WILL GO AWAY.

SO, SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE, IT'S LIKE, WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING MUTUAL AID FROM EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THIS LIST HERE.

ANYWAY, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND AFTER, AND AFTER THE FACILITY OPENS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, ONCE THAT FACILITY OPENS UP, THAT MONETARY THING GOES AWAY.

NO, THE, THE MUTUAL AID, THE, THE PART WHERE THEY ARE PROVIDING AS THE PRIMARY FIRE PROTECTION

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WE WILL BE THE PRIMARY FIRE PROTECTION.

THE VI P PROGRAM WILL BE AT YOUR DISCRETION GOING FORWARD.

OKAY, THEY'LL STILL BE SERVICING US.

WE'LL STILL BE RELYING ON THE VOLUNTEERS.

WE'LL STILL NEED THEM TO, TO RESPOND.

UM, AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING AFTER 2022, THAT WILL COME BACK TO HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT.

UM, BUT TH THE, THE PART THAT WILL GO AWAY WILL BE THE, YOUR RESOLUTION TO, AND YOUR AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL BE THE PRIMARY RESPONDERS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP AND BE ULTIMATELY IN CHARGE, BECAUSE THAT CHANGES TO UPPER PROVIDENCE TOWNSHIP, THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES, ONCE THE BUILDING IS COMPLETE AND WE GOT 24 HOURS A DAY.

I THINK THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME RE NEGOTIATION AND SOME READJUSTMENT OVER TIME, WE WILL STILL BE RELIANT ON THESE FOUR VOLUNTEER COMPANIES, AT LEAST A SECOND TRUCK SOLUTION.

AND, UH, OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENGAGED SOMEWHERE IN THEIR ENGAGEMENT, SO WE'LL BE GOING TO THEIR AID.

SO WE'LL BE REWORKING IT, BUT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE VALUED PARTNERS IN THE, IN THE FIRE PROTECTION AND THIS TOWNSHIP.

AND SHE ORIGINAL.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THIS A SERVICE AGREEMENT ONLY, OR IS IT FINANCES? THERE IS A, THIS IS A SERVICE AGREEMENT AND THERE'S A $45,000 PAYMENT TO EACH OF THESE COMPANIES AS PART OF A VOLUNTEER, VOLUNTEER, UH, INCENTIVE PROGRAM, INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

AND THERE ARE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SERVICE ITSELF, OUR FIGURE AS WELL, THE GRIEVING SERVICES, I THINK OF THIS AS LIKE A BASE FEE.

THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PROGRAM, A STIPEND PROGRAM WHERE WE ACTUALLY PAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS.

AND THEN LASTLY, IN THE YEAR AFTER WE EXAMINE ALL THE CALLS OVER THE YEAR, WE MAKE ANOTHER PAYMENT TO THESE COMPANIES BASED ON HOW MANY CALLS THEY MADE WITHIN OUR TOWNSHIP, JUST MATURED, AGREED DOLLAR.

UH .

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE VOTING.

YES, YES, SIR.

WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS JUST THROUGH APRIL, CORRECT? NOT THIS IS, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTAND THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT IS ONLY THROUGH APRIL.

AT THIS POINT, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WILL NOT BE 24 HOURS A DAY AT APRIL.

WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO EXTEND THIS UNTIL WE ARE UNTIL THE HIRING PROCESS IS COMPLETE.

AND WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT AT 24 HOURS A DAY.

APRIL IS WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE.

UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY RUSHING AT THIS POINT.

AND WE'D RATHER MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE HIRING PROCESS CORRECTLY AND TAKE THE TIME THAT'S NEEDED INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO SHOVE IT IN.

UM, IT, THERE'S A COUPLE PROCEDURES THAT WE WANT TO GO THROUGH.

AND WITH THE INCOME IN CONJUNCTION WITH MOVING INTO THE NEW BUILDING, IT'S JUST AN AWFUL LOT ON OUR PLATE.

AND WE JUST, WE JUST FELT THAT WE WOULDN'T DO IT JUSTICE TO HIRE THE PROPER PEOPLE IF WE DIDN'T TAKE OUR TIME TO DO IT CORRECTLY.

SO I, UM, A MONTH OR TWO AT THE MOST, EACH OF THESE FOUR RUNS THROUGH APRIL 11TH, 2022, AND THEN WE WILL BE IN, WE WILL ALSO BE TAKING A DEEPER DIVE INTO EMERGENCY SERVICES HERE IN A FEW WEEKS.

THE BOARD WILL BE.

AND, UH, SO WE'LL BE REJIGGERING THINGS AS WE BRING UP THIS NEW MODEL ONLINE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE MEETING WITH THE BLACKROCK FIRE COMPANY.

WE DID THAT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

SO WE'RE BEGINNING TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ALREADY AND CHANGE.

BUT AS THE CHIEF SAID, THE SAME FIREFIGHTERS ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME VIRUS THAT'S BEFORE THAT THAT'S IN PLACE.

YES, THE PUBLIC WILL SEE NO DIFFERENCE.

THE FIRE TRUCKS WILL STILL SHOW UP AND DO WE NEED TO DO SO? AMEN.

UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF FOUR FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH BLACKROCK VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, REUTERS FORD FIRE DEPARTMENT, TRAP FIRE COMPANY, NUMBER ONE, AND COLLEGE VILLE FIRE COMPANY.

I'LL SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO EXECUTE, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF FOUR FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH BLACKROCK VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, ROARS FORD FIRE DEPARTMENT, TRAP FIRE COMPANY.

NUMBER ONE IN COLLINSVILLE FIRE COMPANY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WE SURPLUS A 2009 FREIGHTLINER DUMP TRUCK, A 2000 FREIGHTLINER DUMP TRUCK, A 1997 WHEEL LOADER, A CUSHMAN UTILITY VEHICLE, A 16 FOOT LANDSCAPE TRAILER, UH, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE OF VARIOUS TOWNSHIP, DONE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT AND EQUIPMENT ON MUNICIBID.

UM, WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THAT IS TO, UH, JUST A QUICK A LINE ITEM SUMMARY.

WE, EVERY YEAR AROUND THIS TIME, WHEN WE HAVE FULLY DEPRECIATED EQUIPMENT, WE, UM, WE PUT THESE OUT FOR A BID FOR A TO DECLARE SURPLUS, AND THEN WE RECYCLE THE MONIES INTO OUR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT BUDGET.

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WE HAVE A 2015 DODGE CHARGER, 2014 DODGE CHARGER, A 2016 CHEVROLET TAHOE.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, SOME POLICE, UM, RELATED, UM, ACCESSORIES THAT GO WITH THAT, UH, SOUND OFF SIGNAL, LIGHT BAR AND A TRUCK FAULT.

UM, AND THEN A RESTRAINT CHAIR AND THEN AN ALL TRAFFIC SOLUTION SPEED TRAILER, UM, THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT.

THIS WILL GO ON TO UNITS A BID WITH IT.

AND WHAT THE NEXT, NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, HOW BIG IS THAT RESTRAINT CHAIR? THAT'S AN INTERESTING ITEM, BUT I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

SO IF WE'RE GIVING ALL THESE VEHICLES UP, WE'RE REPLACING THEM YES.

DIRECTLY.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE OF VARIOUS TOWNSHIP OWNED EQUIPMENT FOR, UH, EQUIPMENT ON MUNICIPAL BID.COM AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE A VARIOUS TOWNSHIP, DONE THE EQUIPMENT, UH, ON, ON MUNICIBID.COM.

ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AGREEMENT WITH GORSKI ENGINEERING TO PREPARE THE DESIGN OF THE PUBLIC WORKS, BUILDING EXPANSION.

UH, WE HAVE WITH THIS, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, OUR TEAM, UH, UH, DIRECTOR, BROAD BELT, AND I THINK BILL WILL BE SPEAKING TO A LITTLE BIT OF THIS.

WHO'S BEEN WORKING WITH GORSKI, UH, ENGINEERING.

UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE FOR, UH, UH, BUDGETED FOR 2023, BUT WE HAVE THE DESIGN PORTION, UM, PLANNED FOR THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM GORSKI ENGINEERING TO DO A DESIGN BILL PROJECT, UM, INVOLVES ABOUT A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.

IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I TRIED TO TAKE A MAN.

THAT'S NOT GOOD.

UM, OKAY.

UM, I'M GOING TO ASK TOM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN IT, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS OR GARY GORSKI AND YOU COME UP TO THE MIC.

THIS, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

SO AS I WAS SAYING, UH, THERE'S ONLY TWO DOORS IN THIS BUILDING, ONE ON EACH END, AS YOU PULL INTO THIS BUILDING AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, HOPEFULLY IN THE OTHER, THE OTHER PITCHER, THE TRUCKS WILL BE IN THERE ON EITHER END OF THE BUILDING.

THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING WILL STAY OPEN.

SO BASICALLY THE DUMP TRUCKS AND BACKHOES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WE'LL BE UP AGAINST THE TWO LONG WALLS.

AND THEN THE CENTER AISLE WILL BASICALLY BE WHEN WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT COME IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG, UH, BUCKET TRUCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY COME IN AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'LL STAY IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR, THEY JUST, THEY WILL ALL GO OUT AS THEY DO EVERY DAY.

JUST BE MORE EFFICIENT FOR US TO GIVE US A LOT MORE ROOM AND FREE UP THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE IN THE OTHER GARAGE TOO.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A FUTURE MECHANIC, WHETHER THAT'S FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR WHATEVER, WE'D HAVE THE ROOM FOR HIM IN THE EXISTING GARAGE.

AT THAT POINT, THERE'LL BE A MEZZANINE, SOME BATHROOMS IN THERE.

UM, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET IN STONE YET.

SO THE, THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN ELEVATION OF WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, JERRY I'M CORRECT.

WE'LL MAKE THIS KINDA MATH, WHAT EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE AROUND HERE.

UM, IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE SPACE FOR US.

SO IT'LL FIT IN AS FAR AS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

ONE OF THE LAW, ONE OF THE LONG LAWS WILL MOST LIKELY FACE THE PARK AND THE NEW PLAYGROUND.

SO IT'LL BASICALLY BE JUST LIKE OUR EXISTING BUILDING IS AND RUNNING ALONGSIDE OF IT CLOSER TO THE BALL FIELDS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THAT LAYS OUT.

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A LOT OF STUFF WE CAN DO WITH IT.

AND, UH, I THINK IT'LL WORK OUT REALLY WELL FOR US AND TOM, WHEN WE'RE, UH, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, THAT WE'LL PUT ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT UNDER ROOF.

SO BE SURE WHATEVER PORTION OR ALL OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT COULD BE THEM AS FOR JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE TRACKING THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON A SCORE, BUT IT'S JUST TO GIVE, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS AROUND 12,600 SQUARE FEET OF STORAGE, THIS IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL STORAGE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF CAN GO IN HERE.

WILL YOU BE, WILL YOU BE DOING MAINTENANCE IN THAT BUILDING? PROBABLY DO MAINTENANCE IN THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LIFTS ARE.

UM, ALL THE MAJOR TOOLS AND EVERYTHING WILL PROBABLY STAY RIGHT THERE.

SO, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PULL THESE VEHICLES IN THERE, THAT'S I SEE FROM THE ONE, CAN YOU PUT THE, PUT THE OTHER ONE UP? THANK YOU.

THAT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE HOARDER.

THE TRUCKS THAT I SEE IN HERE.

WELL, CAN YOU SEE THEM? I CAN'T ON HERE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PUT THEM IN THERE WITH THE PLOWS IN THEM FLIP THAT REPRESENTS, YES.

THAT'S WHY WE WANT A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE.

IF WE WOULD'VE WENT 80 FOOT WIDE, IT HAD GOT VERY TIGHT TO PUT VEHICLES IN THE AISLE, WHICH WE WANT TO DO ALL THE EVERYDAY VEHICLES, PICKUP TRUCKS THAT GO OUT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND COME IN AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WANT TO KEEP THEM IN THE AISLE.

SO THEY'LL GO OUT IN THE MORNING AND THEN THEY COME BACK IN AT THE END OF THE DAY.

NOW WE MAY NOT HAVE TO DO THAT.

THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM IN HERE FOR US TO PROBABLY PARK VEHICLES WHERE WE WANT, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE, WE WANT TO LOOK AHEAD AND HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ROOM FOR THE FUTURE.

FOR THOSE SITTING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE ON THERE IS FROM LIGHT GREEN IS THE TRUCKS ARE JUST PARKED DIAGONALLY AGAINST BOTH BALLS.

IT MENTIONED A MECHANIC.

THERE WOULD BE SPACE.

NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE THE MECHANIC WORKING OUT OF THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKSHOP THAT WAS ACTUALLY SET UP FOR A MECHANIC, BUT IT'S VERY VALUABLE SPACE TO US.

WE PARKED VEHICLES IN THERE ALL DAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

BUT WE FEEL DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A MECHANIC IN THERE.

IF WE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, AND I'M TALKING GENERAL MAINTENANCE AM NOT TALKING TO ENGINE REBUILDING AND TRANSMISSION SWAPS AND ALL THAT.

I'M TALKING GENERAL MAINTENANCE ON VEHICLES.

EVERYTHING'S FROM SMALL ENGINES TO POLICE CARS, PUBLIC WORKS, ADMINISTRATION, BUILDINGS, EVERYTHING.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I'D LIKE TO PLAN FOR THAT IN CASE IT'S, IT'S A NEED.

THEY, TOM, WHEN WE MET, UM, YOU CLEARLY WERE OUT OF SPACE WORKING IN THE EXISTING BUILDING.

THIS, THIS PROPOSAL HERE TO APPROVE IT.

IS THIS JUST THE BUILD, THE BUILDING OR IS IT ALSO RECONFIGURING THE EXISTING SPACE, ROUTE YOUR OFFICE TO KIND OF, THIS IS WHERE EVERYBODY HAS A, THIS IS JUST THE BUILDING.

UM, WE'RE WORKING ON IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN GET MORE OFFICE SPACE OUT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE SOME OF THE, UH, STORAGE AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT BUILDING WILL ACTUALLY MOVE INTO THE NEW BUILDING AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUMP WALLS OUT AND MAKE OFFICE SPACE BIGGER.

UM, WE'VE HAD SOME IDEAS THAT, WHERE THIS BUILDING IS PLACED, THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE, UM, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT A SHED DORMER OFF OF THE SIDE AND POSSIBLY SOME OFFICE SPACE IN THERE, MAYBE FOR DEBBIE, MYSELF, DON KELLY OR SOMETHING TO KEEP US IN THERE.

AND THE PUBLIC COULD COME IN AND SEE US AS THEY NEED TO.

SO THEY SAID, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET APPROVAL AND THEN DESIGNED.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THIS.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE EXACTLY THIS, BUT ALL THAT OTHER, ALL THOSE OTHER PROJECTS WILL BE DONE BY US IN HOUSE.

BILL, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE LADY? I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT VARIOUS LAYOUTS.

SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TOM AND JEN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH JERRY GORSKI, ET CETERA, TO LOCATE THIS AND APPEARS AT THIS POINT, UH, THE FRONT OF IT IT'LL BE ABOUT WHERE THE PAVILION IS OUT, OUT HERE AND THE SIDE OF IT TOWARDS THE EXISTING, UH, BALL FIELD, WHERE THE FUTURE PLAYGROUNDS GOING TO BE WILL BE ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THAT PARKING LOT.

THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, FURTHEST WEST, THE ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PARKING LOT, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SAVE HALF OF THAT PARKING LOT.

THAT'S THERE NOW THAT'S RUNS FROM THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE BACK TO FOUR 20.

AS OPPOSED TO THE WAY YEAH, MR. GORSEY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN EXPLAIN THIS IF YOU WANT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ON THE COSTARS LIST WHERE THIS IS, UM, DON, AS A BUILD, I, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT STAFF AND I'M SURE OUR SOLICITOR WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT, SO SURE, GOOD EVENING.

THAT'S THE GENERAL LOCATION WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE GOT SOME ELEVATION QUESTIONS WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH WITH JERRY ON, UM, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS AND, UM, HAD THE IDEA OF POSSIBLY THIS BUMP OUT IN THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OFFICE.

SO WE GOT INCORPORATE ALL THAT.

AND SO DURING THE BACK THERE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS DESIGN BUILD PROCESS SAVES US SOME MONEY

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I'M JERRY GORSKY FROM COURSE ENGINEERING ALL THE WAY OVER IN PERKIOMEN TOWNSHIP.

UM, SO WE'RE PART OF A PROGRAM, VERY SIMILAR TO COSTAR'S IT'S CALLED SOURCE.

WELL, SO IT'S A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY TO, INSTEAD OF DOING THE COMPLICATED STANDARD PROCUREMENT IN PENNSYLVANIA WITH MULTIPLE PRIMES AND ALL THAT, WE HAVE TO DELIVER A BUILDING AT WHAT IS CONSIDERED BY COST MODEL AVERAGE OR BELOW AVERAGE COSTS.

SO AS WE DESIGN A BUILDING, WE PUT IT THROUGH METRICS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING ESTIMATE FOR THAT BUILDING COMPONENT AND ULTIMATELY FOR THE BUILDING TYPE AND PROJECT TYPE IN THE AREA WHERE IT GOES.

SO WE HAVE TO DELIVER THAT AS, YOU KNOW, AS WE START TO CONTRACT AND AS WE FINISH THE JOB, WE HAVE TO DELIVER THAT INFORMATION AND SAY, WE HIT THAT AVERAGE COST OR BELOW SO THAT WE PROVED THAT WE WERE EFFICIENT WITH THE PUBLIC'S MONEY.

SAME AS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUY A F-150, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT PRICE IS, IT'S ALREADY SET.

SO EVEN THOUGH THIS BUILDING HAS A LOT OF COMPONENTS, WE GOT TO RUN IT THROUGH THE MILL AND, UH, THE PROGRAM SOURCE, WELL, DOES IT STARTED OUT IN MINNESOTA, BUT IT'S REALLY MODELED AFTER WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES IN THE SAME PROCESS AND THAT THIS SOURCE WELL TOOK OVER WHAT WAS IN JPA.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SAW THAT WAS ANOTHER COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM.

SO NOW IT'S ALL SOURCE.

WELL, SO THEY SOLICIT FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

THEY AWARD THAT.

AND THE, THE WINNER OF THAT SOURCE WALL CONTRACT IS A COMPANY CALLED BLUE SCOPE CONSTRUCTION.

AND PART OF THEIR OFFERING IS THAT THEY WORK WITH LOCAL ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES TO DELIVER THE SERVICES.

SO WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF FINAL PRICING, IF EVERYTHING MOVES AHEAD, UPPER PROVIDENCE WOULD CONTRACT WITH BLUE SCOPE WHO WOULD CONTRACT ENTIRELY WITH US TO DELIVER THE PROJECT, ANY QUESTIONS? SURE, SURE.

UH, SO THIS ONE OF THE GENESIS OF THIS PROJECT IS LIMERICK TOWNSHIP PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WHICH WE DID BEFORE WE LEARNED ABOUT THE SOURCE WALL PROGRAM.

SO THERE WE DESIGNED IT AND WE WERE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS, BUT WE HAD THAT CHALLENGE OF MULTIPLE PRIMES AND UNKNOWN ENTITIES COMING IN.

AND, BUT IT'S, IT, IT IS WHAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TOM AND HIS TEAM LOOKED AT WITH THAT NICE INNER DRIVE AISLE AND HOW SAFE AND CLEAN AND OPEN THE BUILDING IS.

BUT WE LEARNED IN THAT PROCESS THAT WE COULD DELIVER THIS BETTER.

SO WE LEARNED ABOUT THE SOURCE WALL PROGRAM.

WE'VE DONE TWO SMALL PUBLIC WORKS BUILDINGS FOR PHOENIXVILLE.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE BUILDING, WE JUST FINISHED A 37,000 FOOT RECREATIONAL AND COMMUNITY CENTER FOR PHOENIXVILLE.

AND WE'RE BUILDING THINGS FOR FIRE STATION THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

SO IT'S, UH, IT WORKS.

UM, WE JUST CONTRACTED WITH EAST WHITE LANE FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

AND I, I CAN TELL YOU IN THIS CURRENT ENVIRONMENT WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND UNKNOWN COST ESCALATIONS, IT IS, IT IS A VERY EFFECTIVE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT TO ALLOW THE TEAM TO SAY, HEY, WE GOT THE STEEL FIGURED OUT, LET'S GET THE STEEL ORDERED.

WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE'VE GOT A LONG WAYS TO GO.

SO ARE YOU, DO YOU BECOME CERTIFIED UNDER THE PROGRAM BASED ON COMING IN AVERAGE OR LOW ON A PRIOR PROJECT, OR CAN ANYONE DO THIS COMING INTO IT OR SO SOURCE WELL AWARDED THEIR SOLICITATION PROCESS TO BLUESCOPE THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WOULD BE A BUTLER BUILDING, BLUE SCOPE OWNS BUTLER.

SO BLUE SCOPE ONE, THE SOURCE, WELL THING, THEY ALREADY HAD THE GSA CONTRACT FOR, UM, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THEY WANT TO SOURCE WELL SOLICITATION, UM, WE'RE BUTLER BUILDERS.

WE HAVE A BUTLER BUILDER SHIP MY COMPANY.

SO THAT'S HOW, WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT ALL THIS, I WENT OUT AND MET WITH

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BLUE SCOPE CONSTRUCTION WHOSE OFFICES ARE RIGHT IN BUTLER MANUFACTURING'S OFFICE BUILDING AND SAID, HEY, HOW DO WE GET TO DO THIS AND WORK THROUGH IT? SO WE GOT APPROVED BY BLUE SCOPE AS THEIR LOCAL PROVIDER HERE IN EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA.

SO THEY'RE LIKE ANY SOFT TIME DESIGN TIME, PROFESSIONAL TIME THAT'S ON A UNIT BASIS OR IS, ARE BUILT INTO THE NUMBER OF ER.

SO WHEN WE FINISH THIS DESIGN, WE WILL RUN OUR ESTIMATE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND WE WILL PUT BEFORE THE TOWNSHIP OFFERINGS FOR GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, PLUMBING, HVAC, AND ELECTRICAL, WE WILL HAVE ALREADY VETTED THEM THROUGH THE COST MODEL BECAUSE YOU RUN IT THROUGH THE MODEL, THEN YOU BRING IT AFTER IT'S BEEN RUN DOWN.

WE TO, WE HAVE TO THROUGH THE SOURCE ABOUT PROGRAM, TO BE PART OF THAT, WE HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH THE MODEL BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE TOWNSHIP AS AN OFFERING AND SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE COST METRIC, OR WE'RE BELOW THE COST METRIC FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING FOR THIS AREA, PREVAILING WAGE, ALL THAT STUFF STILL APPLIES.

AND THEN WHEN WE'RE DONE THE PROJECT, WE CAN'T JUST PUT A NUMBER OUT THERE AND THEN SAY, LOOK, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE EACH PART ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT.

WE'RE STILL HITTING THAT COST METRIC.

SO THIS, THIS DESIGN THING DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO DO THIS WELL.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HIRING YOURSELF FOR THE JOB, YOUR COMPANY, RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE, THE WHAT'S CALLED DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, RIGHT? TO GET TO FINAL SCOPE AND PRICING IN THE CONTRACT THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE NEXT STEP THROUGH SOURCE.

WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I'VE FOLLOWED THIS.

I THINK I JUST GOT THE LAST PART OF IT.

THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PART, WHICH WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THE BIDDING FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

YOU'RE ASKING TO DO, TO BE, DO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH A PROMISE THAT THE ACTUAL WORK WILL BE RUN THROUGH THAT MODEL.

THAT CORRECT.

UH WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY.

WE'RE NOT SUPPOSING THAT WE'RE GOING TO W W WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE BOARD ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE DESIGNED DEVELOPMENT TO EVALUATE THE NEXT OFFERINGS.

I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION IS THERE.

MAYBE IT'S ONLY MINE IS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH COSTARS AND MUNI BAY, BUT NOT THIS ONE.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF HOW IT'S DIFFERENT.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT THE MOTION AS IT'S RAISED IS TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR FIRM TO PREPARE THE DESIGN.

SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT LIKE CO-STARS WHERE THE WHOLE NUMBER IS A PART OF COSTARS REVERE GO OUT AND BUY 50 TONS OF SALT UNDER CO-STARS ON THIS UNIT PRICE.

WE ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR FIRM.

THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE SOURCE.

WELL IT'S THAT YOUR FIRM GETS HIRED AND THEN DELIVERS THE PRODUCT THROUGH THE SOURCE WALL MODEL.

LET ME JUST CLARIFY WHY WE'RE OFFERING IT THIS WAY.

SO OUR, OUR INITIAL DESIGN SERVICES ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY RUN A FEASIBILITY, WE'VE PREPARED PLANS.

WE'VE RUN A BUDGET FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT, WHICH WE RAN THROUGH THE COST MODEL.

WE'VE REVIEWED THAT WITH TOP.

SO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THIS PROJECT'S WORTH, WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, WHAT WE STILL NEED TO DO, BECAUSE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME IDEAS OF, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS BUILDING AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THEY HAVE MORE SPACE FREED UP FROM THEIR OTHER BUILDING.

WE HAVE TO FULLY VET THESE PLANS.

AND IF THIS IS IN THE 2023 BUDGET, WE CAN'T PREDICT MATERIAL PRICES TODAY FOR 2023, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME PREDICTING THEM FOR THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT WE WILL DO THAT AS PART OF THE WORK THAT'S AHEAD OF US NOW IN THIS CONTRACT AS A SERVICE, IF IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT, YOU HAVE A SET OF PLANS AND WE'VE DEVELOPED THESE IDEAS WITH YOUR PUBLIC WORKS.

THEY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT'S READY TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A FURTHER COMMITMENT THAN THAT, THIS PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, BUT WE WILL PUT US TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE SOURCE WALL OFFERINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT.

SO MY, MY, MY POINT IS, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THIS,

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BUT WHEN WE DID, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE FIREHOUSE OVER HERE, WE HIRED WAS A DEWEY.

SOMEBODY, I THINK IT WAS DEWEY.

CORRECT.

AND, AND, AND THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER.

THEY PUT THE PROJECT TOGETHER AND THEN THEY PUT IT OUT THE BID.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? UH, I'M, I'M A LITTLE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

NOW WHAT WE'RE IN THIS MODEL DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY THE FIRE STATION WENT, WE WILL COME TO THE TOWNSHIP WITH AN OFFERING SIMILAR TO THAT ROAD, SALT.

WE WILL HAVE IT ALL IN ONE PACKAGE BY THAT POINT.

AND WE WILL SAY, HERE IS YOUR PROJECT.

AS WE WORK THROUGH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WITH YOUR STAFF, AS WE'VE PRICED IT OUT WITH CURRENT PRICING, AND WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER THOSE OFFERINGS TO YOU FOR THE FOUR PRIMES, THE REQUIRED FOR THE TOWNSHIP, GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, PLUMBING, HAC, AND ELECTRIC.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE ONE COMPLETE PACKAGE TO SAY, YES, SIR.

RIGHT? AM I HIRING YOU TO DO THE DESIGN ON THIS THING? AND IF SO, AM I WHAT'S THAT COSTING ME? SO THE COST THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PRELIMINARY WORK TO GET THROUGH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND FINAL PRICING IS $90,000.

SO WHAT I'M APPROVING FOR YOU THIS EVENING IS A $90,000 COST TO DO THE DESIGN WORK ON THIS BUILDING.

CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON TONIGHT.

ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THAT? IT WAS IN THE MEMPHIS.

WE SIT IN MY MEMORANDUM, I READ THE MATERIAL.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

HERE'S WHAT I SAY.

I'M THROUGH.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE BUILDING, THIS BUILDING THING A BUNCH OF TIMES.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M WRITING.

I THINK WHAT'S CONFUSING.

AND TIM, MAYBE YOU BRIAN WANT TO CHIME IN ON THIS.

WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY STATUTE IN PENNSYLVANIA TO THE WAY WE CAN BUILD POSTINGS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY, THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, THAT, THAT, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE WHOLE THING.

THEY'RE GIVING US LIKE A SQUARE FOOT PRICE.

IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE BUYING THE STANDARD MODEL HERE.

IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE BUILDING.

IT WOULDN'T WORK FOR THIS BUILDING.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE WORKED FOR THE FIREHOUSE.

IS THAT A FAIR JOHN CENTER? PHOENIXVILLE I'LL REITERATE THE MEMORANDUM THAT I SENT TO THE BOARD.

IT'S, UH, I SAID THAT WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BUDGET, UH, THAT WE'RE WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WANTING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DO THE DESIGN THIS YEAR FOR A PROJECT FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND SO NOT $90,000.

IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY SITE CIVIL.

YOU GOT GEO-TECHNICAL SITE DESIGN FOR 15,000.

YOU GOT SCHEMATIC FLOOR PLANS, EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS, UM, 3D 8,000.

THEN YOU HAVE THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FOUR PLANS, THE EXTERIOR, THE INTERIOR ELEVATIONS, THE 3D MODEL, THE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL SPECIFICATIONS AT 55,000 AND THE COST ESTIMATING ABOUT 12,000 ROUNDS OUT AROUND $90,000.

SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING HERE AND WHEN ONE FAILS DESIGNING IT FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

WE WOULD RATHER BE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH THE DESIGN BEFORE WE GET TO THAT.

AND, AND I GUESS MAYBE THE THING THAT, THAT STRIKES ME FUNNIER IS THERE, THERE'S NO DOLLAR AMOUNT IN HERE AND WE'RE GIVEN THIS, WE'RE GIVEN A COURSE.

AND BY THE WAY, I'M FAMILIAR WITH YOUR COMPANY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT NOTHING AGAINST YOUR COMPANY.

IT'S LIKE, UM, I JUST, I THOUGHT WE'RE USUALLY WHEN WE DO THIS, AS IT WERE PROVEN, THE DOLLAR FIGURE ON THIS THING, THE DOLLAR IS $90,000 FOR THE DESIGN AND IT'S IN OUR ACCOUNTS AND OUR CAPITAL BUDGET.

I'M SORRY.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE MOTION, I GUESS.

THAT'S, WHAT'S BOTHERING ME.

WHERE AM I? AM I SORRY.

I'M OKAY.

FROM THE MOTIONS TO THE AGREEMENT AND THE NUMBERS IN THE AGREEMENT, THE NUMBER IS IN THE AGREEMENT.

IT'S NOT IN THE MOTION, BUT IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT, RIGHT? W WHAT I'M STILL LOOKING FOR, NOT, NOT THE SPECIFICS OF THIS, BUT HOW DOES THIS, HOW DOES THIS PROCESS DIFFER FROM SAY THE PROCESS WE USE TO DESIGN AND BUILD THE FIREHOUSE AND SOMEONE COMES FROM, YES.

SO, UH, UNDER STATE LAW, YOU EITHER, AS YOU NOTE, EITHER GO TO BED OR YOU CAN USE A GENERALLY IN USE EQUIVALENT, THAT'S BEEN VETTED, LIKE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH COSTARS.

UM, AND THAT'S THE REPRESENTATION AND IT'S MADE IS THAT, THAT THIS IS SUCH A SERVICE THAT IT'S VETTED.

I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION IS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ONLY MY CONFUSION COMING IN IS I WAS TOLD THAT THE WHOLE THING WAS LOCKED STOCK AND BARREL OFF OF THIS SERVICE, INCLUDING YOUR TIME AND THE PAYMENT TO YOU ALL, AS ONE THING, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM YOU COMING IN AND COMING BACK WITH PLANS THAT WE GO TO BID ON.

YOU'RE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION WE COULD DO THAT.

I DON'T SUPPOSE

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IT IS ALL GOING TO BE ONE PACKAGE.

IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT SUPPOSITION.

AND WE NEED TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS DESIGN.

WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO CHANGE DRASTICALLY.

I HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK THAT WE LAID OUT TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, PREPARE THE 3D MODEL.

ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN.

AND IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T, I DON'T WANT ANY KIND OF COMMITMENT FROM YOU, ALL THAT WE SAID, HEY, THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND NOW WE ONLY GOT THIS FAR DOWN THE ROAD.

WE'RE, TWO-STEPPING IT.

I GET IT.

THE MONEY IN THE OVERALL BUDGET I WENT OVER WITH TOM IS ALL IN THAT BIG PACKAGE.

WE JUST NEED A LITTLE TIME TO GET THERE.

AND THIS AGREEMENT ALLOWS US TO WORK TOGETHER WITH BILL AND YOUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEERING STAFF, OR YOUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF, AND THEN DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE NICE PACKAGE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.

AND IF IT WOULDN'T, UM, I'M AN OPTIMIST, BUT IF WE, IF WE DON'T GET THERE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET A WORK PRODUCT.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE TIME THAT WE SPENT TO GET THERE.

AND MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER YEAR, WHO KNOWS WHEN YOU WENT.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, AFTER WE APPROVED THIS, YOU GO AWAY, YOU COME BACK, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN A PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO, HERE'S WHAT THE COST, HERE'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S IT.

AND THEN YOUR COMPANY IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BUILD IT.

WELL, NOT NECESSARILY, UNLESS WE APPROVE ANOTHER AGREEMENT IN THAT CASE, WE COULD GO OUT TO BID IF WE WANTED TO AT THAT POINT.

BUT BASICALLY WE'RE HIRING THIS GUY NOW PRETTY MUCH.

AND HE'S GOING TO DESIGN IT AS A STANDARD BUILDING SO THAT HE AND I, AND I GOT THAT.

AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DEALING WITH HERE.

THAT'S ALL, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THIS.

THE DIFFERENCE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN THE OTHER SCENARIO THAT WE'RE COMPARING IT TO WITH DEWEY PROPOSALS WERE SUBMITTED AND DEWEY WAS SELECTED HERE.

EXACTLY.

YOU'RE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT THREE OF YOU MAKING PROPOSALS.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BECAUSE IT'S ACCEPTED AS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AS IT WAS BEFORE, BUT THEY WERE WHAT OTHERS WERE SOLICITED FOR THAT.

WHEREAS HERE THERE'S, IT'S YOU.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROMISING THE BUILDING TO BE AT A CERTAIN AVERAGE OR BELOW.

SO IT'S REALLY THE ONLY PART THAT'S NOT VETTED IS THAT IS, IS THE MONEY TO YOU BECAUSE THERE'S NOT OTHER PEOPLE SUBMITTING THE SAME THING.

AND IF I COULD CLARIFY THIS STAFF DID, UH, DID TRY TO DO SOME OF ITS INTERNAL VETTING, WHERE WE IS REASON WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING GORSKY IS BECAUSE OF SOME OF OUR EXPERIENCES WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS.

WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD MODEL TO FORMAT.

THE DESIGN BUILD MODEL IS A GOOD, UM, SOLID, UM, APPROACH.

BUT I DON'T DISAGREE.

I JUST ASK A MILLION QUESTIONS WHEN IT'S NEW TO ME.

SO JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF HIS QUOTE DOES INCLUDE COST ESTIMATION.

CAUSE WE, I KNOW WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PRICE OF THE BUILDING IS.

HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT COST ESTIMATE.

WE KNOW WHAT A GOOD BUDGET NUMBER IS.

THE REAL BIG ADVANTAGES OF THIS SYSTEM VERSUS THE OTHER SYSTEM IS IF WE SAY, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO ADD OFFICE SPACE HERE? WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU HARD COSTS IN THAT OTHER SCENARIO, YOUR CONSULTANTS CAN'T, THEY CAN ESTIMATE CERTAINLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO DELIVER.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY, HEY, THAT ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT IT COMES WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE MARKET SAYS IT IS.

SO WE'RE GIVING REAL TIME COST INFORMATION IN DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT SOUND DECISIONS CAN BE MADE AND NOT WELL KIND OF APPROXIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE OUR NUMBERS.

SO IT REALLY DOES.

UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WORKED THROUGH IN PHOENIXVILLE, THEY WERE ABLE TO SAY, WE NEED THIS.

WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WE GOT IT.

WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COSTS ARE.

IF WE WERE GOING TO PUT MORE, MAKE THE BUILDING BIGGER OR SMALLER OR WHATEVER.

SO LIKE WE STARTED OVER THERE WITH A FIVE BAY FIRE STATION.

WE ENDED UP WITH A SEVEN BAY FIRE STATION BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO STAY ON TRACK BUDGET WISE AND BUILD ULTIMATELY WHAT FIT ON THEIR SITE.

SO IT WAS A GOOD, VERY GOOD PROCESS FOR US AND FOR THAT.

AND I, I, I THINK JOE KIND OF, YOU, YOU, UM, CLARIFIED SOME THINGS FOR ME BY THAT IT'S LIKE, YEAH.

IT'S LIKE A DIFFERENT PROCESS, UH, THAT I GUESS MAYBE I'M JUST NOT USED TO THAT.

IT IS DIFFERENT PROCESS.

AND I THINK THAT DIFF YOU CLARIFIED IT IS THAT YOUR COST IS INITIAL PART WASN'T SENT OUT FOR BID.

THEY VETTED IT AS SAID THEY VETTED IT THEMSELVES, BUT USUALLY WE SEE THREE BIDS UP FRONT.

COSTS DOWN THE LINE THEN, AND JOE, JOE, UM, YOU AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO INTO THE DETAILS ON THIS.

SO THAT IMPORTANT IF IT GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY AND YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTROL

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I DID MAKE THE MOTION CONTINGENT ON YOUR PRIMITIVE REVIEW OF THIS STUFF UP IN TONIGHT.

SERIOUSLY.

I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I'LL LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE TOMORROW, BUT KEEP THE CONTINGENCY, KEEP THE CONTINGENCY IN THE VOTE, BUT I I'M SURE GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I'M JUST LEARNING AS I GO HERE ON THIS.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION BY THE WAY, BILL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, CAN YOU USE THE MIC PLEASE? JC 1 11, 1 11 JACOB STREET AND MONTCLAIR.

AND I SPENT YEARS IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS.

SO LIKE JOHN, THIS CONFUSES ME A BIT LIKE I'M USED TO GOING TO ARCHITECTS.

YOU GO TO DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS, YOU GET THEIR PRICE ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, AND THEY'RE DESIGNED.

THEN YOU TAKE IT OUT TO CONTRACTORS.

THEY COME UP WITH THE COSTS, THEY'RE GIVING YOU THE COSTS AND THEY'RE DOING THE WORK.

SO I TOO, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND I'M USED TO ASSIST THEM METAL.

THESE WORKED THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WHAT HE'S REPRESENTING IS THAT IN THE END, EVEN ACCOUNTING FOR HIS FEE, ALL IN IT WILL BE AVERAGE OR BELOW COMPARED TO THE MARKET.

SO THAT ELIMINATES THE CONCERN ABOUT THERE BEING WHEN YOU GET, WHEN YOU GET YOUR EQUIVALENCY IN THE MARKET IS BY HAVING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRICES.

WELL, NO, THERE'S AN ANALYSIS THAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT THE WHOLE, THAT BUILDING WOULD COST ALL IN.

AND HE'LL PRESENT THAT EVEN FOR HIS WORK FOR EVERYTHING.

AND HE'LL BE BACK WITH THAT.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT PROCESS.

IT IS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BIDWELL PROCESS IS THE, IT'S A CONGLOMERATE OF MARKET PRICING THAT GIVES YOU THE CONFIDENCE IN THE AVERAGE OR BELOW OF THE MARKET, BECAUSE WHAT'S YOUR, IT'S A, IF I'M GETTING THIS CORRECT, IT'S A CONSORTIUM OF DIFFERENT BUILDERS, PUTTING INFORMATION IN ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR DIFFERENT MATERIALS SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND MARKET PRICING VERSUS UNDERSTANDING MARKET THROUGH A BIDDING PROCESS, RIGHT? SO THERE THERE'S A, A GUIDE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS APPROVED CALLED RS MEANS, UM, THE INDUSTRY USES IT TO HELP WHEN WE'RE PLANNING PROJECTS, BUT IT, IT, IT ALL PROJECTS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE DIVIDED INTO BUILDING TYPE AND SIZE.

AND IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE COST GUIDE.

AND THEN THERE'S AREA MODIFIERS AND PREVAILING WAGE MODIFIERS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT SETS THE AVERAGE.

AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT OVER TIME, EVEN AFTER IT COMES BACK.

AND THERE'S A PACKAGE AND IT'S EIGHT MONTHS LATER, OH, YOU CAN SAY THE COST OF STEEL WAS HERE.

WE WERE AT, OR BELOW THE COST OF STEEL.

NOW IT'S CHANGED OR LUMBER OR RIGHT, EXACTLY.

AND THEN ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, WHY THIS ONE REALLY, WE CAN USE THIS FOR ANY TYPE OF BUILDING LIKE PHOENIX SCHOOLS, REC CENTER IS 37,000 FEET AND ONLY HAS A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUTLER BUILDING.

BUT THE PROJECT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE BUTLER STEEL ON IT.

BUT THIS IS, THAT'S WHAT THIS BUILDING IS.

AND THAT BUTLER MANUFACTURING COMMITS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL AT THEIR LOWEST COST PER TON.

SO THAT FIGURES INTO THIS AS WELL.

THIS PROJECT REALLY IS THE MODEL FOR IT, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT CAN BE RENOVATION WORK.

IT CAN BE ANYTHING WE, THE DATA EXISTS FOR ALL TYPES.

AND YOUR BUSINESS PAYS TO BE PART OF THAT SORORITY AND FOR LESS THAN LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE VISIBILITY TO THAT DAY, CORRECT.

WE'LL BE KEEN TO START DOING OTHER BUILDINGS IN THIS MODEL.

WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ONE, WE'LL LOOK AT SOME SQUARE FOOT PRICES, COMPARE SOME OF THESE PAST PROJECTS AND WE'LL SAY, SEE WHAT WE LIKED THE BEST.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I WANT YOU TO HAVE THIS BUILDING.

WELL, SO AFTER WE WORK WITH BILL AND HIS TEAM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET AN NPDS PERMIT.

ALL ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION JUST BUILT.

OH, GO AHEAD.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 90,000, COMPARED TO BILLINGS IS GOING TO, AGAIN, LET'S REPRESENT THAT'S WELL BELOW THE INDUSTRY, AVERAGE ON ARCHITECTURAL FEES, YOU KNOW, DESIGN FEE.

SO THAT GIVES THE BOARD ANY CONFIDENCE.

YOU KNOW, THE 80,000 IS WAY BELOW STANDARD OR SENATE ESTIMATES ON A BUILDING.

THANK YOU, BILL.

WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON TIMING? AS FAR AS WE APPROVED TONIGHT, 90,000, IS IT TWO MONTH PROJECT? IS IT SIX MONTHS TO GET THIS DONE?

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WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GRADING WE HAVE, BUT IF WE, IF WE CAN KEEP IT UNDER AN ACRE, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL, BUT THAT'S GOING TO SET THE SCHEDULE, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

LAND DEVELOPMENT WISE, THE BUILDING DESIGN.

I THINK WE CAN REALLY KNOCK THAT OUT PRETTY QUICK.

ONCE WE BUILD THE MODEL, WHEN WE BUILD THIS IN 3D AND WE PUT THE TRUCKS IN THERE AND WE PUT THE FURNITURE IN THE OFFICE, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO SEE HOW THIS SPACE WORKS.

AND I THINK THAT'LL HELP US DO THE BUILDING DESIGN, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO THE SITE.

THEN WE'VE GOT TO DO THE GEO-TECH SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE BUILDING ON.

AND, AND THEN WE CAN GET TO FINAL NUMBERS.

SO I WOULD SAY WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.

AND THEN IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHERE WE ARE LAND DEVELOPMENT WISE AND PROCUREMENT WISE.

CAUSE IF WE ORDERED THAT BUILDING TODAY, THAT STEEL IS AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OUT FROM THE DAY WE ORDER IT.

SO WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH EVERYTHING IN A NICE PACKAGE WHERE WE CAN ORDER ANYTHING.

GARAGE DOORS ARE HARD TO GET CRAZY STUFF.

HOW LONG YOU SAY IT'LL TAKE TO PUT THAT BUILDING UP ONCE ALL THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH BUILD.

IT USED TO BE A LITTLE FASTER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE IT BASED ON STEEL DELIVERY.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO START PUTTING FOUNDATIONS IN THE GROUND UNTIL WE KNOW WHEN THE STEEL'S COMING.

UM, THE GENERATOR, LIKE WE, WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS IN THERE.

ARE WE GOING TO DO AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR? THAT DELIVERY WOULD BE IMPORTANT TOO.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE LEAD ITEMS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS WE BUILD PROJECTS TODAY.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, IT'S THE LIGHTING, THE HPAC IS NOT COMPLICATED STUFF IN THIS BUILDING.

SO IT'S A BIT, I WOULD SAY WE CAN BUILD IT IN FOUR MONTHS, BUT LATELY IT'S TAKEN SIX, JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE LITTLE GLITCHES THAT WE HAVE, YOU HAD GENERATOR IN THERE AND ALSO SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THERE FOR THAT ONE.

GOOD IS, UH, WE FELT WE GOT A ONE AND A HALF, TWO INCH WATER SERVICE TOWARD BUILDING BILL IN IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.

AND I'VE DONE SOME MORE PLANS OUT.

I FOUND IT.

IT WAS CORRECT.

IF YOU HAVE A FOUR INCH LINE GOING NORTH, A BUILDING, WHICH SAW COMPLETE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR US ON WHY HE PUT A FOUR INCH LINE BACK THERE, BUT HE WAS THINKING WAY AHEAD.

HE CAN'T RETIRE YET.

I THINK WE'VE DRILLED YOU ENOUGH.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

OH, YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION? UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT WITH COLLEGEVILLE BASED GORSKI ENGINEERING TO PREPARE THE DESIGN BUILD SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS GARAGE, SUBJECT TO THE AFFIRMATIVE REVIEW OF TOWNSHIP SOLICITOR.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT WITH COLLEGE ROLE-BASED GORSKI ENGINEERING TO PREPARE THE DESIGN BUILD SPECIFICATIONS SPECIFICATION FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS GARAGE, SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE REVIEW BY THE TOWNSHIP.

SOLICITOR, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I GOT ONE LAST QUESTION.

IT'S A LEAD JERRY.

DON'T LEAVE.

IT'S A LEAD INTO THE NEXT ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA.

SURE.

UM, THE TOWNSHIP HAS, MAY HAVE 40 PLUS BUILDINGS TO DEMOLISH IN THIS PROCESS BE USED FOR DEMOLITION.

ARE YOU CERTIFIED OR IS THERE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT BUILDER IN THE AREA THAT WOULD BE THE, NO, THIS, THIS WOULD BE AGAIN, WE, WE WOULD DELIVER, UH, A PRICE THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVERYTHING.

IF YOU WANT, FROM THE STUDY OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, THE DEP NOTIFICATION DELIVERY, THE DEMOLITION SERVICE AND WHATEVER'S REQUIRED.

I MEAN, WE, WE, WE DID A REALLY SMALL BUILDING FOR, UH, PHOENIXVILLE ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THE FIRE STATION WAS.

SO IT, AGAIN, WE, IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO VET BECAUSE, BUT WE DO HAVE DATA FOR THAT.

HOW LONG WOULD IT BE OPEN? I MEAN, THE BUILDINGS MIGHT BE STAGGERED IN TIME.

DOESN'T MATTER.

YOU JUST, YOU CAN HOLD IT OPEN BECAUSE WE'RE STUCK WITH 60 DAYS UNDER

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THE CODE.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN HOLD, YOU WOULD GIVE A NUMBER AND IT WOULD BE A NUMBER FOR A YEAR OF COVER.

IT WOULD COVER ALL TO ALL OF THEM.

I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO SEE, WE'D HAVE TO SEE, BUT YES, WE COULD DO A PROJECT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A PROGRAM WE CAN DO THIS ONE AND 18 MONTHS FROM NOW IS THE LAST ONE.

WE CAN DO THAT.

I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP.

[MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS]

WE'RE ON TO MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS AND, UH, FIRST THING ON MY AGENDA, ITEM 15 IS THE FEMA MITIGATION UPDATE.

A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS IN THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING.

UM, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 44 HOMES AS WE JUST NOTED THAT EXPRESS A DESIRE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.

UH, BASED ON SOME ADVICE FROM FOLKS AT PIMA, WE'VE DIVIDED THE APPLICATIONS INTO TWO SEPARATE PILES, ONE WITH 23, 1 WITH 20 ONES, VARIOUS REASONS FOR THAT, IT WAS MORE ADVANTAGED, MORE ADVANTAGEOUS IN THE STATE BELIEVES THAT FEMA WILL LOOK MORE KINDLY UPON BOTH APPLICATIONS WHEN THEY'RE DIVIDED IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE DIVIDED THEM UP.

UH, THE GRAND TOTAL ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT IS $18.9 MILLION.

UM, SO WILL LIKELY COME BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, SOME POINT, UM, MID YEAR, PROBABLY JULY, AUGUST WITH, UM, GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR EXECUTION FROM FEMA, IF THE PROJECTS ARE AWARDED, UM, AND, AND, UH, UH, REQUEST FOR A, UH, 18 RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE BUDGET, TO INCORPORATE THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.

AND WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY FIRST AND FEMA REIMBURSES.

NO, NO, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IN A REQUEST TO FEMA TO, UH, HAVE THE GRANTS, I'M SORRY, THE FUNDING EXPEDITED SO THAT WE'D RECEIVED THE FUNDING.

UM, AND WE COULD SPEND FROM THOSE DOLLARS INSTEAD OF BEING REIMBURSED.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

UH, NEXT ITEM IS CAPITAL FINANCING, PLANNING 10.

AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, PROJECT UPDATES, BILL.

I JUST WANT TO ADVISE, ADVISE THE BOARD.

I'M WORKING WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL, UH, BUCKY CLASSER AND OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, JAMIE SLESSINGER, UM, TO TRY TO GET TOGETHER A PROPOSED FINANCING, UM, PROPOSAL AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO 20 2020 3, 24.

UM, USUALLY WHEN YOU DO, UH, CAPITAL FINANCING, YOU DO THIS IN THREE-YEAR CYCLES.

AND, UH, UH, WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO AT OUR NEXT MEETING POSSIBLY, UH, FEBRUARY OR MARCH, IS THAT WE HAVE A, WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER AS WHAT'S CALLED A REFUNDING RESOLUTION, WHERE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ALL POSSIBLE, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE BOND WORTHY, UM, UH, TO PUT THAT IN THE, UH, INTO THE REFUNDING RESOLUTION TO GIVE US THE OPTION IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT INTO A FUTURE BOND ISSUE, IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE US TO BOND, BUT IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY, UM, BECAUSE WE, UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, HOW WE HANDLE OUR CASH THAT WE DO AT PRUDENTLY.

UH, WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE THAT THE FED'S LOOKING AT POSSIBLY INCREASING, UM, BORROWING RATES, UH, THIS YEAR.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT WILL FACTOR INTO SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS.

SO I'M HOPING TO HAVE SOME MODELS FOR THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

GREAT, THANK YOU, TIM.

RIGHT? ENGINEERING

[CONSULTANT REPORTS]

WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING WITH THE TOWNSHIP, UH, LAST WEEK, I GUESS IT WAS, WE WERE ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST, TRY TO PRIORITIZE WHICH ONE IS FIRST, SECOND.

SO ON, UH, WORKING ON A PLAYGROUND OR A RESULT OF THAT, THE PUBLIC WORK EXPANSION AS A RESULT OF THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY A TOWNSHIP ROAD PROGRAM.

ALSO, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHEST ON THE LIST.

WAITING A LITTLE BIT ON THE ASHENFELTER TRAIL, I GUESS, FOR BRITISH TO GET BACK TO US WHEREVER LONDON OR WHEREVER THEY ARE.

AND, UM, THE SURVEY FOR THE ROADWORKS WILL START THIS FRIDAY.

AND THE TINDI RUN PROJECT IS ONGOING.

UH, PROBABLY REMAIN, HAS BEEN PLACED IN, THEY'LL PROBABLY BE CROSSING A FRUIT FARM ROAD, UH, LATER THIS WEEK, EITHER THURSDAY OR FRIDAY WITH A SEWER.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

LIKE WE USUALLY DO, CORRECT AS TIM INDICATED, UH, YOU HAVE THE LIQUID FUELS ROADS HERE THAT YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TONIGHT.

AND THEN THE SECOND GROUP OF ROADS IS ESSENTIALLY THE ATTENDEE RUN PROJECT, WHICH YOU'LL HAVE FRUIT, FARM, MARSH, WOOD, OLD STATE ROSEMONT, THE CATCHING ROOM, A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR QUIET.

YEAH, THAT'S THE SECOND.

AND THAT WON'T

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HAPPEN TILL LATE, AND WE DON'T WANT NEED TO BID THAT.

CAUSE THOSE ROADS ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE TINDI RUN PROJECT.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED A CONTRACTOR FOR THAT.

AND THEN YOU WILL BE COMPLETED ACCORDING TO THEIR VERY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE LATE THIS YEAR.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

[SOLICITOR REPORT]

AND, UH, OUR SOLICITOR IS GOING TO BRIEF US TONIGHT ON A RIGHT TO KNOW SUNSHINE ACT AND THE ETHICS SIDE.

UH, AND I'VE SET ASIDE AN HOUR FOR EACH OF THOSE.

SO I'M THINKING WE'LL BE OUT OF HERE BY 12TH.

UM, ALL THREE OF THESE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT REALLY, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY MORE IMPORTANT IN DAY TO DAY APPLICATION TO STAFF ME WORKING WITH STAFF, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE KEY TAKEAWAYS THAT APPLY TO THE BOARD, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ALL THREE, UM, THE RIGHT TO KNOW LAW, PENNSYLVANIA HAS ONE OF THE MOST PERMISSIVE RIGHT TO KNOW LAWS IN THE COUNTRY AFTER HAVING FOR MANY YEARS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE.

UM, AND SO THINGS ARE PRESUMED TO BE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS, UH, UNLESS THEY MEET CLEARLY MEET ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE IN THE LAW.

UM, I WORK WITH STAFF, MOSTLY CHERYL, WHO'S REALLY GOOD AT IT AND SHE KNOWS HOW IT WORKS.

UM, AND WE DECIDE HOW TO RESPOND WHEN PEOPLE MAKE RIGHT TO KNOW REQUESTS, WE THEN HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR THE DOCUMENTS.

SOMETIMES IT CAN BE INVOLVED.

UM, JUST SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SEARCH HARD DRIVES.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE COURT ORDERS THAT HAVE COME DOWN UNDER RIGHT TO KNOW, UH, WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, A PERSON CAN SUBMIT A REQUEST THAT SAYS, I WANT EVERY DOCUMENT YOU HAVE THAT USES THE WORD TRAIL AND THE WORD FUNDING OR SOMETHING.

AND YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE HARD DRIVE AND FIND EVERY DOCUMENT THAT'S RESPONSIVE.

SO IT CAN BE VERY ONEROUS AT TIMES.

UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE, OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS, THE IMPORTANT THING IS KEEP ALL YOUR TOWNSHIP BUSINESS ON ONE EMAIL AND KEEP IT SEPARATE FROM YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL THAT MAKES IT EASY AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

NOW, IF YOU USE, UM, THE, UH, TOWNSHIP EMAIL ADDRESS, THE TOWNSHIP LOOKS AT YOUR EMAIL IF NECESSARY TO PULL ANSWERS THAT ARE RESPONSIVE TO A RIGHT TO KNOW IF YOU USE A PRIVATE EMAIL, THE TOWNSHIP'S OBLIGATION IS TO ASK YOU WHETHER YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S RESPONSIVE, BUT THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T ENTER YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL.

UM, BUT IN A, TO KEEP PUBLIC CONFIDENCE AT A HIGH IT'S BETTER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN A PRIVATE EMAIL AND THAT YOU SEGREGATE YOUR TOWNSHIP BUSINESS FROM ANYTHING ELSE, UM, IF YOU DO THAT ONE THING WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE REST DON'T DESTROY, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT EXONERATE A SITUATION AS MUCH AS BE A GOTCHA FOR THE PERSON MAKING THE REQUEST.

UM, THE MOST UNFORTUNATE THING I WOULD SAY RECENTLY ABOUT THE RIGHT TO KNOW LAW IS THAT, UM, I MEAN THE REQUESTER DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY WHO THEY ARE OR WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT.

AND SO HALF OF THE REQUESTS ARE FOR A BUSINESS PURPOSE.

THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE PULLING TAX CERTS, OR, YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE LOOKING FOR MAILING LISTS FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS TO HALL SOMEONE WHO HARASSES US, BUT THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF HARASSMENT IS FILING THE SAME REQUEST OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

AND IT DOESN'T GO ANY BROADER THAN THAT.

UM, THERE'S BEEN TALK LEGISLATIVELY ABOUT BROADENING THAT, AND WE WOULD PROBABLY BE IMMEDIATELY, UH, ENJOY THE BENEFIT OF THAT CHANGE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, UM, IN THE TOWNSHIP WITH RIGHT TO KNOW.

UM, BUT FOR NOW THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND WE HAVE TO MUDDLE ON, UM, SUNSHINE ACT.

THE BIGGEST CHANGE OF THE SUNSHINE ACT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS IS AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS MORE CHERYL'S PROBLEM THAN ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S HERE IN THE ROOM.

UM, THE, THEY AMENDED THE SUNSHINE LAW REQUIRES MEETINGS TO BE PROPERLY ADVERTISED, UH, AND OUT IN THE SUNSHINE, UM, IS THE BASIS FOR ITS NAME THAT THERE'S NO BACK ROOM DISCUSSIONS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN.

UM, THERE ARE THE, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT THAT ALLOW US TO MEET PRIVATELY TO DISCUSS CERTAIN THINGS.

UH, LITIGATE LITIGATION IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON, UM, EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL ISSUES IS ANOTHER, UH, ACQUISITION OF REAL ESTATE IS ANOTHER, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE BIG THREE.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, OUT HERE IN THIS ROOM, HAVING DISCUSSIONS, UM, SOMETIMES IF WE'RE MEETING PRIVATELY ON AN ISSUE AND IT STARTS TO SLIDE, I'LL SAY THAT WE'RE SLIDING AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION OUT HERE.

UM, THAT I ALLUDED TO THE, THE RECENT CHANGE.

UM, THE AGENDA, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY ADDED A NOTICE REQUIREMENT.

SO MEETINGS ARE ADVERTISED PUBLICLY PUT ON THE WEBSITE.

NOW THE AGENDA HAS TO BE ON THE WEBSITE.

UH, I FORGET IF IT'S 24 OR 48, 24, 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.

AND THEN ONCE IT'S ON THERE, UM, YOU CANNOT, UM, CHANGE THE AGENDA

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UNLESS, OR UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MEETING AND VOTE BY MAJORITY VOTE TO CHANGE IT.

THERE WERE SOME AREAS IN THE STATE WHERE THE AGENDA WAS KIND OF UNKNOWN IN ADVANCE, AND MAYBE YOU CALL IT SOME POLITICAL MANEUVERING OR SKULLDUGGERY THINGS WERE FINDING THEIR WAY ONTO AN AGENDA AT THE LAST SECOND OR OFF OF AN AGENDA AT THE LAST SECOND.

UM, AND THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT BY YOU'RE TELLING THE WORLD IN ADVANCE.

HERE'S WHAT OUR AGENDA IS.

IF YOU DO VOTE TO CHANGE THE AGENDA DURING THE MEETING, THAT'S OKAY.

THEN WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THAT REVISED AGENDA THE NEXT DAY, BACK ON THE WEBSITE.

SO, UM, TO ME, THEY UNDERCUT THEIR OWN LAW A LITTLE BIT BY ALLOWING YOU TO AMEND IT DURING THE MEETING, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.

SO THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

UM, AND IT HAS REAL WORLD APPLICATION.

I HAVE A CLIENT JUST TODAY.

UM, THE NEWSPAPER CALLED THEM BECAUSE WHEN THEY POSTED THE AGENDA ON THE WEBSITE, THE SCAN DIDN'T PICK UP ALL THE PAGES.

AND SO ONLY SOME OF THE PAGES WERE POSTED AND THEREFORE THEY COULDN'T VOTE TONIGHT.

SO THEY HAD TO CANCEL TONIGHT'S MEETING BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING.

SO IT ACTUALLY HAS A REAL WORLD, UM, APPLICATION, UM, SUNSHINE ACT IN GENERAL IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON ME AND STAFF TO GUIDE YOU ON AS THE ISSUES ARISE.

I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT TOO MUCH.

OTHER THAN YOU CAN'T MEET PRIVATELY A QUORUM OF YOU CAN'T MEET PRIVATELY AND TALK ABOUT TOWNSHIP BUSINESS TOWNSHIP BUSINESS MEANS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY BE EXPECTED TO VOTE UPON PUBLICLY AT SOME FUTURE TIME.

IT DOES NOT MEAN, WELL, IT'S NOT ON THIS MONTH'S AGENDA.

SO THEREFORE WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NORMALLY LEAD TO AN ULTIMATE VOTE, THEN IT'S TOWNSHIP BUSINESS IN A QUORUM OF, YOU CANNOT DISCUSS IT LESS THAN A QUORUM OF YUKON.

UM, AND MORE THAN A QUORUM OF YOU CAN BE TOGETHER FOR ANY REASON UNDER THE SUN, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DISCUSS TOWNSHIP BUSINESS, UM, ETHICS ACT.

UM, THE MAIN THING THERE IS, UH, KNOWING WHAT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UM, IN TERMS OF VOTING ON SOMETHING, UH, SITTING UP HERE, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES PECUNIARY GAIN FOR YOU OR A BENEFIT TO YOU OR A FAMILY MEMBER.

IF IT'S, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE, IT'S NOT A CONFLICT UNDER THE ETHICS ACT.

A RECENT CASE WAS DECIDED OUT OF PITTSBURGH.

THAT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE FOR A LONG TIME, PEOPLE WHO DO WHAT I DO SAID THAT IF IT'S NOT AN ETHICS AT CONFLICT, THEN YOU, THEN YOU'RE OBLIGATED.

YOU OWE IT TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING UNDER THIS NEW CASE.

SOMETHING MIGHT NOT MEET THAT DEFINITION OF A CONFLICT, BUT IT MIGHT STILL LOOK INAPPROPRIATE.

THE PERSON MIGHT NOT HAVE A DIRECT PECUNIARY GAIN, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME GENERAL VAGUE INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME.

AND IN THE CASE OUT OF PITTSBURGH, THEY DECIDED THAT IT WAS A DUE PROCESS VIOLATION FOR THIS PERSON TO HAVE VOTED ON AN ISSUE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T MEET THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

SO IT'S GOING A LITTLE BROADER, IT'S GOING A LITTLE BROADER.

AND IF YOU FEEL EVEN REMOTELY UNCOMFORTABLE ON A PARTICULAR VOTE, JUST CALL ME AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.

IF THERE IS A CONFLICT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO A MEMO IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING TO TIM, UM, SUMMARIZING, WHY YOU CAN'T VOTE ON THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON.

UM, THAT REALLY IS THE CORE PIECE OF THE ETHICS ACT, UM, THAT YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT.

THE OTHER PARTS OF IT HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, CAMPAIGNING AND SOME STUFF THAT'S NOT RELEVANT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'RE ON HERE.

UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE ON, JUST GIVE ME A CALL AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER THAT THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TONIGHT TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE ETHICS ACT.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, JOE.

WE CAN ALWAYS GO TO BY TWO.

[SUPERVISORS COMMENTS]

SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS AND, UH, I SEE WE HAVE ONE SCRIPTED HERE FOR YOU, ARI.

WELL, I WANTED TO BRING UP AND DISCUSS, OR AT LEAST HAVE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT CREATING AN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, UM, THAT WOULD PLAY INTO SEVERAL THINGS.

ONE OF WHICH IS THE SUSTAINABILITY LEVELS THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT THE, UH, SILVER LEVEL AND HAVING AN EAC WOULD GET US POINTS TOWARD GOING TOWARD THE GOLD LEVEL.

UM, THIS IS UNDER ACT 1 48, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I KNOW THE VERY TIP OF THE ICEBERG OF THIS.

SO DON'T HOLD ME TO ANYTHING.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN CREATE THIS BY AN ORDINANCE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO

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IT THAT WAY, I BELIEVE.

UM, OR IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SET UP AS A CERTAIN SET UP A CERTAIN WAY.

WE GET TO A POINT THE CHAIR, BUT WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TO FILL IT.

THERE CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO SEVEN ON THIS COUNCIL.

UM, AND I THINK GOING FORWARD, WE NEED TO START LOOKING MORE AT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE TOWNSHIP AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE.

THAT'S THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND HAVE PEOPLE DISCUSS IT.

QUESTION, WHAT WOULD IT BE? ADJUSTING ADVISORY COUNCIL.

THEY WOULDN'T, YES.

LORI, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY WOULD ADVISE US, LIKE, WOULD THEY ADVISE US ON NOT CUTTING ALL THE GRASS IN THE TOWNSHIP, THEY WOULD COME UP WITH IDEAS LIKE THAT? SURE.

JOE, WOULD I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCILS IN BOROUGHS? I THINK THE LANGUAGE IN THE SECOND CLASS TOWNSHIP CODE IS ROUGHLY SIMILAR.

I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

UM, I KNOW THAT LOWER PROVIDENCE HAS ONE.

I THINK YOU WANT, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE BYLAWS THAT STRICTLY IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WANT TO BE ADVISED ON BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY EXPAND BEYOND MAYBE WHAT YOU WANTED AND SPEAK FOR YOU WHEN YOU DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SPEAKING FOR YOU.

YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT NOT HAPPEN, BUT AS A CONCEPT.

YEAH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

OKAY, GREAT.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LAST WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EITHER REPAIRING A RETENTION BASIN AS PART OF THE STORM WATER PROJECT OR REPAIRING STREAM BANKS.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET SOMEONE WHO'S STUDYING THE ISSUE STRICTLY FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL POINT OF VIEW TO ADVISE ON THAT.

NOW I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY POWER AWAY FROM THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I THINK SOME ADVISORY, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A GOOD ANYWAY.

I'M TELLING YOU TO THINK ABOUT DOING SHORT.

I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, IN ALL BUSINESSES, YOU SEE IT EVERYWHERE.

YOU SEE AMAZON, YOU SEE EVERYBODY TRYING TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL.

UM, IN MY BUSINESS EXPERIENCE, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF ACTIVITY AROUND MAKING SURE SUPPLIERS WE'RE WORKING WITH SUPPLIERS, WE'RE RECYCLING MATERIALS AND HAVE RECYCLING PLANS.

UM, IT'S INTO A LOT OF SUSTAINABILITY.

THE CARBON PIECE IS BIG.

I KNOW THAT ABOUT YOU WANT ELECTRIC DUMP TRUCKS, THAT DON'T BE SURPRISED THAT THAT'S NOT COMING IN THE NEXT 10, 10 YEARS.

UM, SO YEAH, NO, I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR US THAT AT LEAST AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH PROJECTS THAT HAVE THIS AS AN EARMARK OR A CHECKPOINT, UM, AS A, AS A, ANOTHER THING ON DECISION MAKING, YES, THEY'D HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN IT.

NO.

OR WOULD THEY HAVE, LIKE, HOW WOULD THEY BE QUALIFIED? UH, AGAIN, I'VE ONLY THREE-FAMILY SCAN THROUGH SOME OF THE MATERIAL AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY WELL-EDUCATED ON IT.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND DEEP AND, AND WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS FOR THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE COMMITTED TO DOING A LOT OF READING AND RESEARCH.

I THINK THERE IS DCAD TRAINING AVAILABLE MUCH LIKE THERE WAS FOR THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION.

I DON'T THINK WE JUST KIND OF LIKE LET THEM LOOSE AND THEY GET TO MAKE IT UP ON THEIR OWN.

I THINK THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE TRAINING.

YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, BOY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SUPERVISORS HAVE COMMENTS TONIGHT? GO AHEAD.

WE'RE ALL LIVING THROUGH, UH, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BURDEN ON, ON TOP OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.

AS A NEW GUY, I LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, THE RISK OF MAYBE BEING UNPOPULAR, HOPEFULLY NOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY OBSERVATION COMING INTO THIS ROLE THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN, UM, PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY.

WE'VE HAD THE COVID PANDEMIC THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE ALL, UH, HAVE LEARNED TO DEAL WITH.

WE'VE HAD THE DEVASTATION OF A KEY PART OF OUR TOWNSHIP DURING IDA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD ABOUT THE, UM, EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEM.

I MADE A NOTE HERE.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, INFLATION'S AT ITS HIGHEST SINCE 1982.

I THINK I SAW THIS MORNING WAS THE LATEST STATISTIC AND HOW HIGH INFLATION IS.

SO WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IS THE FUTURE IS UNPREDICTABLE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I GOT INTO THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO BRING SOME OF MY EXPERTISE INTO, INTO THE ROLE AND SERVE THE TOWNSHIP AND THE RESIDENTS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE FACING A TOUGH PERIOD RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT, UH, WE PASSED THE BUDGET IN DECEMBER WITH, WITH A SIGNIFICANT TAX INCREASE.

NOW I SAY THAT TONGUE IN CHEEK, UH, THAT TAX INCREASE IS MOSTLY DRIVEN BY FIRE EMS AND SAFETY IS OUR PRIORITY HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP.

WE HAVE VOLUNTEERISM FALLING.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS, AND I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC PROGRAM, A FANTASTIC BUILDING.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE WALKING AWAY THAT I'M, THAT I'M AGAINST THAT.

UM, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY HERE, UH, IS WE ARE STILL AT A LOW TAX BASE SURROUNDING, BUT BEING THE SITUATION THAT

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AS WE DO BIG PROJECTS, WE HAVE THE BUILDING THAT WE JUST APPROVED $90,000 FOR TO BUILD.

AND, UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT IS LOOKING OUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AS A BOARD, BUT PUBLICLY LOOKING OUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND UNDERSTANDING IF WE BUILD THE BUILDING OR WE BUILD THIS PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WHAT IS THE IMPACT, THE PAY FOR THAT BUILDING IN 20 24, 20 25? UH, IF WE LOOK BACK IN 2019, WE DIDN'T SEE A PANDEMIC.

WE DIDN'T SEE INFLATION.

WE DIDN'T SEE THINGS.

WE HAD OUR EYES SET ON THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS PRUDENT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY, BUT THEIR SAFETY SERVICE QUALITY AND COSTS THAT HAVE TO BE BALANCED.

SO I GUESS MY POINT TO ALL OF THIS IS I'LL BE VERY INTERESTED IN, AS WE DO KEY BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT, UH, THAT WE ARE TAKING THAT LONGER RANGE LOOK, AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT AND BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT A WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THE PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO MAINTAIN OUR VEHICLES BETTER.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

THIS IS THE IMPACT.

HOW DO WE OFFSET IT IN THE FUTURE, HOW WE COME TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S KIND OF ME COMING IN FRESH IN MY PERSPECTIVE.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, UH, I'M VERY HONORED TO BE IN THIS ROLE AND VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE.

THANKS TOM.

PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.

IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, UM, THE ITEM ABOUT THE BAT, THE BUYOUT AND TEAR DOWN WENT BY QUICKLY.

THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS.

IS THAT OKAY? OKAY.

I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GO BACK.

UM, I KNOW WHAT YOU TOO, BRIAN, I, YOU SAID THERE'S 44 PROPERTIES.

IS THAT UPPER PROVIDENCE OR IS THAT MONTCLAIR AND FORT PROVIDENCE? IT'S THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP TOWNSHIP.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE RELATIVITY BETWEEN THE APPRAISALS THAT WERE DONE AND WHAT FEMA WOULD ULTIMATELY OFFER.

ARE THEY TWO IN THE SAME? THOSE NUMBERS ARE ONE IN THE SAME.

THEY WOULD GO FOR WHATEVER IT'S BEEN APPRAISED.

IF THE GRANT, IF FEMALE ULTIMATELY APPROVES THE GRANTS, WHICH WE EXPECT WORD BACK FROM THEM IN JUNE OR JULY, IF IT IS APPROVED, IT IS YOU WILL GET THE APPRAISED VALUE FOR YOUR PREP.

AND THEN HOW LONG OF A PROCESS IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE? AS FAR AS YOU SAID, JUNE, THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH THE GRANTS.

WE, WE EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM FEMA IN JUNE OR JULY WITH A YES OR NO.

YES OR NO.

HOPEFULLY IT, YES.

UM, AT THAT POINT, TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR FEMA TO GET GREAT TO CIRCULATE GRANT AGREEMENTS OUT TO THE TOWNSHIP.

WE NEED TO GET THEM BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THEIR SIGNATURE APPROVAL AND THE CHAIRMAN SIGNATURE.

UM, AT THAT POINT THEY GO BACK TO FEMA.

WE WOULD REQUEST AN ADVANCE ON THOSE DOLLARS THAT, UH, THE BOARD ASKS ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FRONT ANY OF THE MONEY.

UM, AND THEN WE WOULD BEGIN SCHEDULING SETTLEMENT WITH RESIDENTS.

SOME RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED THE DESIRE.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME ON THE PHONE, I'M NEVER COMING BACK.

I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE AGAIN.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NEVER SEE ME.

I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN CHESTER COUNTY, WHEREVER.

UM, WE'LL SCHEDULE THOSE PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY ASSESS AS WE CAN.

UH, OTHER FOLKS HAVE SAID, I HAVE A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL.

I HAVE A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL NOW.

UM, THERE'LL BE A SENIOR NEXT YEAR.

WE'D PREFER TO STAY IN THE HOUSE FOR ONE MORE CHRISTMAS.

SEE THEM THROUGH THE SCHOOL YEAR.

UH, IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD DELAY GOING TO SETTLEMENT WITH THOSE FOLKS AND DO IT AT THEIR CONVENIENCE A LITTLE BIT, UM, LATER INTO 2023.

SO WE'LL BE VERY FLEXIBLE WITH RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF, UH, TRYING TO MATCH THEIR DESIRE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CHECK IN HAND IMMEDIATELY, OR IF THEY WANT TO WAIT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN IT'S STILL A VOLUNTARY STEP OUT AT ANY TIME.

THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS PROPOSED.

THAT IS CORRECT.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT.

EVENTS, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME, RIGHT.

UH, I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME UPCOMING

[UPCOMING EVENTS]

WE'LL MEET AGAIN FEBRUARY 22ND, 7:00 PM AND MARCH 21ST 7:00 PM.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MEET, UH, RJ.

THEIR JANUARY MEETING WAS CANCELED, NOT ENOUGH ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

THEY'LL MEET FEBRUARY 2ND AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 16TH.

UM, WE'LL SEE, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA THERE.

PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE.

UH, WE'LL MEET FEBRUARY 9TH AT 6:00 PM.

THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY WILL MEET FEBRUARY 3RD AT 7:00 PM.

UH, AND THE ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING SCHEDULE, UH, JANUARY 20TH AND FEBRUARY 1ST.

AND, UH, THOSE ITEMS ARE PUBLISHED.